The new CBA and Joe Cronin's secret plan?

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BIG Q said:
What I am getting from this is you can only have two big contracts, and that Portland should hope Sharpe and Scoot earn them from Portland. Dame's contract could soon become a boat anchor, especially if it were paired with a LaVine, Leonard, etc... You want your big contracts going to stars in their 5-9 year range. Older vets could be facing challenges due to this. It all seems very odd. Teams that draft well should get an exemption, say if they don't have a huge free agent contract on the books. I would hate for Portland to have another great draft next year, hit on it, but then lose a homegrown all star because of this CBA. Just thinking out loud.
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Yeah if Sharpe and Scoot become max players do the Blazers even want to hit on acquiring a 3rd allstar in the draft? 3 max contracts starts to get very difficult to build with.

This CBA has a lot of consequences we don't fully understand. It may change a lot of the prior best team building strategies. Even outside this dynamic we've seen a shift with less dominant teams and much more parity in the league, which I really like.

I always liked the idea of Dirk/Wade/Kobe etc having a contract that only counts half against the cap. Maybe if you've been a 5x allstar, over the age of 34 and have been with the same team over 10 years. Those guys seems like they should still all get paid but their teams shouldn't be forced to dump them to improve the cap. Obviously that would be a Lillard situation if he were to stay here.
 
I get the impression Joe is either getting lowballed for Ant or being asked to take back too much salary for him. Ant could be traded for picks as a salary dump but his contract is very friendly...I'd talk to the Lakers about Hachimura for Ant.
 
illmatic99 said:
Dont think he's looked hard enough.

Or maybe he doesn't want to given Dame might want out.

Or maybe he is too attached.
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It really feels like Joe doesn't think we can do what Dame wants and that Dame is inevitably going to be gone. If that's the case, why would he want to dump Ant for nothing?
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Yeah if Sharpe and Scoot become max players do the Blazers even want to hit on acquiring a 3rd allstar in the draft? 3 max contracts starts to get very difficult to build with.

This CBA has a lot of consequences we don't fully understand. It may change a lot of the prior best team building strategies. Even outside this dynamic we've seen a shift with less dominant teams and much more parity in the league, which I really like.

I always liked the idea of Dirk/Wade/Kobe etc having a contract that only counts half against the cap. Maybe if you've been a 5x allstar, over the age of 34 and have been with the same team over 10 years. Those guys seems like they should still all get paid but their teams shouldn't be forced to dump them to improve the cap. Obviously that would be a Lillard situation if he were to stay here.
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Actually this is a very good idea and should be ran up the flag pole with the NBA. The unintended consequences of this new CBA on older stars could force them to hold out/strike. Remember, we have the term Larry Bird Rights because the Celtics were about to lose Bird due to McHale and Parrish getting their big contracts before him. The Celtics owner had enough power to appeal this oversight and the League realized they needed Bird/Boston vs Magic/Lakers.
 
BIG Q said:
Actually this is a very good idea and should be ran up the flag pole with the NBA. The unintended consequences of this new CBA on older stars could force them to hold out/strike. Remember, we have the term Larry Bird Rights because the Celtics were about to lose Bird due to McHale and Parrish getting their big contracts before him. The Celtics owner had enough power to appeal this oversight and the League realized they needed Bird/Boston vs Magic/Lakers.
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Thanks.

Guess I'm about 9 months to late though right? I believe the new CBA goes to 2029 or something
 
Pretty sure the Bird Rights thing happened in the middle of an existing CBA. Can't research it now. Leagues identify problems they have created and adjust with votes of the players and owners.
 
BrianFromWA said:
I don't know that Ant has that value...Sochan seems tailor-made for a Pop team featuring Wemby.
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They say they want a center to be next to Wemby. If that's the case, Sochan would be coming from the bench. Do you trade a bench player for a guy at 24 who can gave you 24 a game in his first opportunity starting?
 
riverman said:
I get the impression Joe is either getting lowballed for Ant or being asked to take back too much salary for him. Ant could be traded for picks as a salary dump but his contract is very friendly...I'd talk to the Lakers about Hachimura for Ant.
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Until the Dame situation gets some semi-permanent resolution, I think EVERY trade we even try to discuss will incur a premium leverage upcharge because every move will be seen through the lens of "trying to help Dame"... Ironic for a franchise that has never found success in FA... that's probably our most viable route out of this situation.
 
AmirIcon said:
They say they want a center to be next to Wemby. If that's the case, Sochan would be coming from the bench. Do you trade a bench player for a guy at 24 who can gave you 24 a game in his first opportunity starting?
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Don't get me wrong, I love it. But mobile scrappy big guys who do dirty work are more in Pop's wheelhouse than one-dimensional SGs in a PGs body. But if Pop somehow thinks Ant could be his Tony Parker redux, I'd love it.
 
Natebishop3 said:
It really feels like Joe doesn't think we can do what Dame wants and that Dame is inevitably going to be gone. If that's the case, why would he want to dump Ant for nothing?
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Yeah, I feel like the next time we hear from Joe he'll be introducing the young players and guys on expiring contracts we got for Dame and he'll be saying that he did everything he could to try and push all of our chips in but there wasn't the right deal. Then go on to rightfully talk about how excited he is about all of the potential of the roster and future draft assets. Joe has punted every chance he's had and played it safe. He keeps saying he wants to push all of his chips in and then just antes and folds every time he's dealt a hand. It keeps him in the game.

I hope he proves me wrong and when he does I hope the move(s) is/are spectacular.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Well if the plan is try to keep Dame happy in the short term, letting Simons or Nurk walk would have probably killed that dream.
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they weren't going to walk. Nowhere to walk to unless the Blazers low-balled them into rage. Ant at 18M; Nurkic at 13M would have kept them Blazers and made them easier to trade
 
AmirIcon said:
They say they want a center to be next to Wemby. If that's the case, Sochan would be coming from the bench. Do you trade a bench player for a guy at 24 who can gave you 24 a game in his first opportunity starting?
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I think it depends on if Pop thinks Ant is a PG or not.

They've got Keldon and Vassell already
 
Predator said:
I think it depends on if Pop thinks Ant is a PG or not.

They've got Keldon and Vassell already
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Remember Pop cried when he traded who he did for K. Leonard. He doesn't shy away from making tough choices.
 
AmirIcon said:
They've already said they want to get a bruising center next to Wemby to take the physicality off him.
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oh yeah sure...think about the PF's Wemby would be guarding: Giannis, Lebron, Tatum, Kawhi, Durant, Zion, Butler, Siakam, Wagner....Spurs won't have to worry about Wemby getting worn down because he'll spend the season on the bench in foul trouble
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Why do you get the impression Jody wants to sell?

I think she may want to control the team for 20 years and cash the checks from managing the portfolio. She gets nothing from a sale.
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Kolde gets a commission in brokering a sale.
 
wizenheimer said:
they weren't going to walk. Nowhere to walk to unless the Blazers low-balled them into rage. Ant at 18M; Nurkic at 13M would have kept them Blazers and made them easier to trade
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Its probably hard to negotiate well when your a horrible negotiator.
 
wizenheimer said:
oh yeah sure...think about the PF's Wemby would be guarding: Giannis, Lebron, Tatum, Kawhi, Durant, Zion, Butler, Siakam, Wagner....Spurs won't have to worry about Wemby getting worn down because he'll spend the season on the bench in foul trouble
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Those matchups at forward and on the perimeter will be much easier for Wemby than banging against centers in the middle. Dude is rail thin, even mediocre centers like Nurk could push him all over the floor or send him crashing to the ground. The Spurs care about injury risk 10x more than effectiveness. He's pretty quick so the perimeter isn't an issue for him as normally it is for 7 footers.

Young players often play down to smaller positions their first years while they get strength. Durant played SG as a rookie. Its actually the one hesitation I have with the Blazers quad guards - I'm not sure sure SF is best for Sharpe in his sophomore year.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Its probably hard to negotiate well when your a horrible negotiator.
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As I said before, he has the personality of an unbuttered dinner roll. Typically good negotiators aren't people who are more happy when they're working on a spreadsheet.
 
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