The Official Nate not so great Robinson isn't cool thread

[j0se]

The Official Nate Robinson is cool thread

Nate is very cool

 

[Mr. J]

I read your rant and I am surprised you're hating on Nate. He isn't a pure point guard, but is that his fault? In Washington they wanted him to play off the ball more. Do you realize that you can?t change this overnight? I?ll be the first to admit Nate?s decision making hasn?t been good so far, but it?s an adjustment period, especially playing for Larry Brown who demands a lot out of his point guards.

While Nate hasn?t been a lock-down defender this season, I thought he?s been solid. He?s pesky, has quick hands, and forces some turnovers. There?s no denying that. And I also don?t understand what you mean by the negative energy he?s brought? When he gets in the game he ignites the Knicks and the tempo dramatically increases. Not even Marbury has been able to push the tempo like Nate Robinson.

All of this is an adjustment for a 5?9? point guard adjusting from a vastly different role in college. How can you expect him to do all of this in 10 games? Don?t you think you should give him some more time? Ben Gordon struggled early on in his NBA career, but as we know rebounded and finished second in the Rookie of the Year balloting. Before you behead Isiah and call Nate a bust, give it some more time. Weren?t you about to do the same thing in the summer league when Frye wasn?t looking so good?

 

[Brasco]

the problem with nate is he is a sg in a point guards body who can't ever play the sg role because he's only 5'7". its because of Nate that starbury can't switch over to the 2 spot because nate isn't a pure pg. so in total nate was probably a bad pick for the knincks.

 

[Bleed Green]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Johnnybrasco:</div><div class="quote_post">the problem with nate is he is a sg in a point guards body who can't ever play the sg role because he's only 5'7". its because of Nate that starbury can't switch over to the 2 spot because nate isn't a pure pg. so in total nate was probably a bad pick for the knincks.</div>

The knicks didnt draft him. They traded for him. He came in the Q-rich deal. He still can't finish and he has a bad jumpshot but he'll get better. Being small is hard in the NBA. He has to adjust to the nba game. We cant say that Nate doesnt bring excitement and a spark because he does.

 

[JWohl]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">Before you behead Isiah and call Nate a bust, give it some more time.</div>
Wait.... he may have rushed to judgement on Nate Rob but thats no reason not to behead Isiah.

 

[Mr. J]

As I said before, playing three years as a shooting guard in college, Nate can't all of a sudden make this transition overnight. Also, why call it a bad pick so early?

 

[Mr. J]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting JWohl:</div><div class="quote_post">Wait.... he may have rushed to judgement on Nate Rob but thats no reason not to behead Isiah.</div>
We can't behead him he drafts too many good players.

 

[JWohl]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">We can't behead him he drafts too many good players.

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but it doesnt matter because he doesnt surround them with anything.....

 

[Mr. J]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting JWohl:</div><div class="quote_post">but it doesnt matter because he doesnt surround them with anything.....</div>
Make him in charge of drafting.

 

[Tribute to H2O]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">As I said before, playing three years as a shooting guard in college, Nate can't all of a sudden make this transition overnight. Also, why call it a bad pick so early?</div>

Nate cant make the transition at all. It takes a certain mentality to play the point guard position and Nate simply doesnt have it. It's sad but true. Jose is right. We should have drafted Jarett Jack and I too would like to behead Isiah Thomas.


Anyway I think Isiah Thomas should be fired.

 

[Mr. J]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tribute to H2O:</div><div class="quote_post">Nate cant make the transition at all. It takes a certain mentality to play the point guard position and Nate simply doesnt have it. It's sad but true. Jose is right. We should have drafted Jarett Jack and I too would like to behead Isiah Thomas.</div>
Sure, Nate will always be a scorer, but you have to understand in Washington he was "The Man" and played a whole different position. He's also playing under a demanding coach in Larry Brown. He's improved, too. He's starting to penetrate and give it to the man in the paint. I might have drafted Jarrett Jack on draft night also, but Nate struggling 10 games into his NBA career is no reason to knock him. By the way, did you know according to 82 games, the Knicks play better with Nate on the floor then the Blazers play with Jack?

 

[PlaTsanity]

nate just brings an energy to the game that is so effective
he's a great player--and im sure he'll be a effective player in the future
but-isnt he a better SG rather than a PG?

 

[B.e.]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tribute to H2O:</div><div class="quote_post">Nate cant make the transition at all. It takes a certain mentality to play the point guard position and Nate simply doesnt have it. It's sad but true. Jose is right. We should have drafted Jarett Jack and I too would like to behead Isiah Thomas.


Anyway I think Isiah Thomas should be fired.</div>
Are you going to make this type of judgement around 10 games through the season? Sure Nate may not have the mentality of a true point guard right now but that doesn't mean he can't learn it. Thats what being a rookie is all about learning how to play the game on a professional level. If given the oppurtunity to make mistakes and grow Nate can be a point guard because he has the intangibles to do it.

 

[Midnight Green]

This thread should never have been made your judging a player on how good or bad he is, by what he has shown you in 11 minutes of action during a nine game span? It is crazy to draw an opinion in that short of a period of time. During the first nine games of his career Dajuan Wagner averaged 17 points a game, and was playing like a rookie of the year candidate for the Cleveland Cavaliers right now he is out of the league. You never know what factors are playing into a players success or lack of success during a short amount of time. Especially when it is the first couple games of his career. Nate was always a showman in college, and he got a lot of playing time so even if he made a erratic play and turned the ball over he would be able to redeem himself later on during the contest. That is not the case in the pros, and even more so under Larry Brown. That is one thing he needs to get through his head once that happens the rest of the pieces will fall in place for him.

 

[Char]

Give him time. I don't know if Nate will ever be a starter, but he should blossom into a stellar backup. It even took Boykins a few years and teams to offically adjust to the NBA game.

 

[LebronJames456]

Listen j0se you do not know what you are talking about. Today versus the Blazers Nate played 16 min, and got 7 points, 5 rebounds and 1 assist. I dont understand what is wrong with those stats. Marbury played 41 min and only got 1 rebound. For a player who is 5-9, taking 5 rebounds in just 16 min is a pretty good effort. I also dont understand you when you say Nate dosent have a jumpshot. He has a great jumpshot. Didn't you see the game in Denver. He was hitting jump shots all over the place. So far Nate Robinson is doing better than Jarret Jack in the scoring region. Nate Robinson's highest points for the season is 14, Jarret Jack's is 11. Nate is doing very well in the NBA so far, and i do not know what you have against him.

 

[Equint77]

LOL... you're all desperate... do you realize you're picking on rookies? Frye, now Nate.

Frye has put up 3 straight 20 point games but I know that's still not good enough for some here. Which is amazing.

Now Nate.... let's see... he played SG during his career in college and is now trying to transition to PG in the NBA. Hmmm. I guess everyone who's gone through that got it within 3 weeks of their careers.... not to mention most of them didn't have to compensate their lack of height.

Yeah Nate makes his mistakes but it's called being a ROOKIE... he's played 10 games... not 10 years. LB is putting him on the court for a reason and if it was as negative as you think it is Jose... would he be that stupid?

Jarrett Jack?

he's averaging 4.8 points in 18 minutes.. versus Nate's 5.5 points in 12 minutes. Or maybe it's his 18% from 3pt range that makes him a better choice?

 

[Equint77]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tribute to H2O:</div><div class="quote_post">Nate <font size=""4"">cant make the transition at all</font>. It takes a certain mentality to play the point guard position and Nate simply doesnt have it. It's sad but true. Jose is right. We should have drafted Jarett Jack and I too would like to behead Isiah Thomas.


Anyway I think Isiah Thomas should be fired.</div>


So 10 games in this is a given? I just wanna make sure so I have nothing to look forward to the rest of his career.

Uhm... Frye is proving you wrong <u>so far</u> (yeah it's still early) but I don't think you'll really give him his due. I still think you're waiting for him to crash.

And if Nate doesn't have "that point guard mentality".. than neither does Steph cause he's always been scoring PG.. yet Steph manages. And no one's ever tried to change his game till now. At least LB is starting with Nate from his start.

And how the hell would Jarrett Jack help? He'd be ANOTHER sg on the team.... by the way.. he played 7 minutes yesterday and got a fat ZERO... ooops.

 

[Tribute to H2O]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Equint77:</div><div class="quote_post">So 10 games in this is a given? I just wanna make sure so I have nothing to look forward to the rest of his career.

Uhm... Frye is proving you wrong <u>so far</u> (yeah it's still early) but I don't think you'll really give him his due. I still think you're waiting for him to crash.

And if Nate doesn't have "that point guard mentality".. than neither does Steph cause he's always been scoring PG.. yet Steph manages. And no one's ever tried to change his game till now. At least LB is starting with Nate from his start.

And how the hell would Jarrett Jack help? He'd be ANOTHER sg on the team.... by the way.. he played 7 minutes yesterday and got a fat ZERO... ooops.</div>

First of all my problem with Frye isnt so much with Frye it has more to do with the fact that with three first round picks in a ridiculously deep draft he didnt use one of them to draft someone who could end up being the next Shaq. I'd also like to add that Frye is playing much better in the NBA than he did in college which suggests he's been having a good streak or that teams havent learned that they need to guard him out on the perimeter. But we can have that discussion another time.

Right now were talking about Robinson. You dont learn to get a point guard's mentality. It's not something that can be taught. You either have it or you dont. Marbury has been playing point guard for years now and he still doesnt have it. The reason why Marbury manages is because he's about half a foot taller than Robinson. At his height Robinson has no other choice but to be a playmaker since he'll never be a big scorer like Marbury but since he doesnt have the mentality so it's highly unlikely that he'll be an effective playmaker. Jarett Jack is in no way shape or form a shooting guard! The only reason Portland plays him at the two is for his defense(and they dont have much else there). He probably had zero points because he's a pure ochestrator that plays good defense something Larry Brown would love to have right now. If Larry Brown could trade Robinson for Jarett Jack right now he would.


Anyway I think Isiah Thomas should be fired.

 

[Brasco]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting LebronJames456:</div><div class="quote_post">Listen j0se you do not know what you are talking about. Today versus the Blazers Nate played 16 min, and got 7 points, 5 rebounds and 1 assist. I dont understand what is wrong with those stats. </div>


You don't undertand whats wrong? he's a point guard and he only got 1 assist you don't think that's a little off.

The problem with nate is he's like starbury both want to play the 2. Marbury at 6'2" is too undersized, let alone nate who is 5'7". The best short players were great passeres like mugsy bogues, boykins is a pretty good passer.

 

[j0se]

Nate is a rebounding 5"8 PF from what I've seen.

 

[Bleed Green]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Johnnybrasco:</div><div class="quote_post">You don't undertand whats wrong? he's a point guard and he only got 1 assist you don't think that's a little off.

The problem with nate is he's like starbury both want to play the 2. Marbury at 6'2" is too undersized, let alone nate who is 5'7". The best short players were great passeres like mugsy bogues, boykins is a pretty good passer.</div>

Nate isnt the old fashioned PG like Nash or Kidd is. Nate's job is to provide a spark, score, and distribute the ball. How many assists do you want from a rookie learning a new position? Nate is a scorer and might always be. He might gain the mentality or it might not. It all depends on Nate. Marbury isnt underssized. He has a perfect pg height just like arenas, nash, etc. 6'2 is a good height for pg. His strength also puts up for the lack of height. Boykins is a good passer but we can all agree that Earl looks for his shot first. Thats what spark players do.

 

[Brasco]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GotSkillz92:</div><div class="quote_post">Nate isnt the old fashioned PG like Nash or Kidd is. Nate's job is to provide a spark, score, and distribute the ball. How many assists do you want from a rookie learning a new position? Nate is a scorer and might always be. He might gain the mentality or it might not. It all depends on Nate. Marbury isnt underssized. He has a perfect pg height just like arenas, nash, etc. 6'2 is a good height for pg. His strength also puts up for the lack of height. Boykins is a good passer but we can all agree that Earl looks for his shot first. Thats what spark players do.</div>

i said he's too undersized for the 2 spot.

 

[B.e.]

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Right now were talking about Robinson. You dont learn to get a point guard's mentality. It's not something that can be taught. You either have it or you dont.</div>
That does not make any sense in my opinion. Are you saying that people who play basketball are born with a certain mentality about how to play? You think out of all the NBA players there have ever been or basketball players in general, not one of them has learned a point guards mentaility? If a point guards mentality can't be taught, then how can "you have it or not? I think you can be taught a certain mentality, the way you think about the game.

 

[Char]

I dare any of you to knock on Nate the Great now. He hit that beautiful rainbow at the OT buzzer to win the game. I dare you.

 

[j0se]

He shot 36% with 3 turnovers, he put US in that position, I like Nate scoring, but please at a high percentage, we can't give the opposing team opportunities like that.

Nate stepped up in the end, Malik Rose had his first game all season, so I guess that would change everything, right?

 

[Bleed Green]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">He shot 36% with 3 turnovers, he put US in that position, I like Nate scoring, but please at a high percentage, we can't give the opposing team opportunities like that.

Nate stepped up in the end, Malik Rose had his first game all season, so I guess that would change everything, right?</div>

God, im sick of your negativity. Everyone on the knicks sucks to you. Why are u even a knicks fan? Nate played good D on the leading scorer in the NBA. He forced some charges against him also. Nate like LB said won this game for us. He didnt put us in that position. He took us out of it.

 

[j0se]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GotSkillz92:</div><div class="quote_post">God, im sick of your negativity. Everyone on the knicks sucks to you. Why are u even a knicks fan? Nate played good D on the leading scorer in the NBA. He forced some charges against him also. Nate like LB said won this game for us. He didnt put us in that position. He took us out of it.</div>


Well I'm sick of your statements without any valid facts or truth to them

Marbury won the game for us, Larry is known to saying ridiculous stuff

Marbury scored 33 points shooting way over 50%, unlike Nate who took alot of moronic shots in the first half (did you even remember what happend in the first half?) and he shot 36%, I don't want my back up PG shooting 36% off the bench

What defense? Iverson scored with ease all night He scored 40 points shooting 50% with 10 assist, its not like he was shut down, stop saying that, you haven't prove anything by sayign that, you come at me with no facts, at all

Listen, I'm happy as hell we won, we needed it, but for you to ride Nate like he's the Pope is ridiculously, and I'm going to say something about it


We're still 4-8, of course there isn't going to be alot of positive coming out, don't be so non obvious, but I just want nate to score, I know what he can do, and can't do.

What I don't want him doing is jacking up shots on a low FG%, I'm not down for that, we already have Crawford and Richardson to do that

I don't "hate" anyone on the Knicks, I don't "hate" people I don't know, stop being childish, I'm just not happy with what Nate has done so far this season, same with Malik Rose, Jerome James, Quiten Richardson, and Maurice Taylor, I'm on good terms with everyone else

We're 4-8, what do you expect

 

[Equint77]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">He shot 36% with 3 turnovers, he put US in that position, I like Nate scoring, but please at a high percentage, we can't give the opposing team opportunities like that.

Nate stepped up in the end, Malik Rose had his first game all season, so I guess that would change everything, right?</div>

IT's called being a "ROOKIE".... are you mental or do you think everyone comes into the league without flaws? Dig up some games during Jordan's rookie season... I'm sure he had plenty of games where he shot 36% with 3 turnovers.

You're just nitpicking every god damn thing you can think of. Yeah they're 4 and 8.. but if you look at it like most do here here.. they're 4 and 3 after that 0 and 5 start. Injuries, a new coach, 7 new players, a starting line up constantly changing... a rotation that pretty much has everyone playing in the game... it's all adjustments. Not only that but playing on the road as much as they have early on slows the process down even more.

They won but apparently you're so into stats you can't acknowledge a win without saying.. yeah they won but barely..

 

[j0se]

Yeh, I understand what you mean, I'm just hoping for Nate to be a score spark off the bench, and not try to be on sports center, but just choose the easy shots, and make the game easy for and his pace.


Nate tries to dominate on the court, he should take what the defense gives him, I'm not doubting his talents