The Professor's Class is in session

[Dumpy]

Let's have at least one positive thread today.</p>

Is there anyone who DOESN'T think that we're witnessing the development of a very special player right now? Is there anyone who doesn't get excited when he comes into the game now?</p>

oh, and BTW, Sean has taken 8 foul shots in 54 minutes, and made six of them. That's noteworthy both in terms of NUMBER (7.1 per 48 minutes) and SUCCESS RATE (at 75%, he is fifth on the team, barely behind Kidd and Carter). Compare to Collins (0-0 in 141 minutes), Boone (1-4 in 26 minutes), Krstic (3-6 in 133 minutes), Magloire (an unexpected 8-12 in 86 minutes--the only thing he's doing somewhat well), and Allen (0-0 in 75 minutes). That's right--the other five bigs on the team are a combined 12-for-22 from the line in 461 minutes, a 55% success rate. That's an average of 2.3 attempts per 48.</p>

 

[Kidd Karma]

We're always going to take Kidd for granted, oh hum, 14-10-9 boards in 36 minutes. But yea, this is the one shining light from last night's loss. Williams is an NBA starting PF. He is KMart reincarnated. Frank's got to stop overcoaching this thing, just go with the players who brought you there, don't over think it.</p>

 

[Dark Defender]

In terms of offense he is further along than K-Mart was when he was a rookie but he still has long ways to go defensively.</p>

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[soul driver]

I get excited everytime Sean steps into the game. I know the energy level will be taken up a notch with him in.

 

[Rollydog]

Sean has really impressed me with his energy and rebounding. The shotblocking is a given, but I didn't expect him to be as good on the glass. He might seem a bit thin, but like RJ said, he has tons of strength. He's averaging 12 rpg (4 offensive) per 40 minutes. Really good for a guy who is often out of position going for the block.</p>

Another encouraging factoid, like Dumpy said, is his FT shooting. It improved from 50% to 70% between his sophmore and junior years. I'd expect him to be around that or higher this season.</p>

Interesting comparing him to Kmart. He's certainly longer, abetter shotblocker,and probably a more accurate shooter. I'm not sure he knows what he's doing in the post though. He definitely has some moves, he just needs to develop them. I don't remember how Martin looked exactly but he didn't seem as lost. Kmart had bball IQ. He wasn't incredible in that department but certainly had an underrated understanding of the game. Williams has shotblocking instincts. Is that as far as it goes? I guess we'll see.</p>

The questions I have for you guys is, was he a similar player in college? (if you saw him) How did he look during the preseason? I'm interested to know if the effort he's been bringing is going to be permanent. If so, he probably has a couple all-star selections waiting for him. A guy with that much talent gets his head in the game and all bets are off.</p>

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[Dumpy]

Yesterday at least, he was a bit of a black hole on offense. Sean gets ball, Sean shoots ball.</p>

 

[Shotzy]

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If this kid is even half as smart as he is athletic. He will be something special.</p>

 

[pegs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rollydog)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Sean has really impressed me with his energy and rebounding. The shotblocking is a given, but I didn't expect him to be as good on the glass. He might seem a bit thin, but like RJ said, he has tons of strength. He's averaging 12 rpg (4 offensive) per 40 minutes. Really good for a guy who is often out of position going for the block.</p>

Another encouraging factoid, like Dumpy said, is his FT shooting. It improved from 50% to 70% between his sophmore and junior years. I'd expect him to be around that or higher this season.</p>

Interesting comparing him to Kmart. He's certainly longer, abetter shotblocker,and probably a more accurate shooter. I'm not sure he knows what he's doing in the post though. He definitely has some moves, he just needs to develop them. I don't remember how Martin looked exactly but he didn't seem as lost. Kmart had bball IQ. He wasn't incredible in that department but certainly had an underrated understanding of the game. Williams has shotblocking instincts. Is that as far as it goes? I guess we'll see.</p>

The questions I have for you guys is, was he a similar player in college? (if you saw him) How did he look during the preseason? I'm interested to know if the effort he's been bringing is going to be permanent. If so, he probably has a couple all-star selections waiting for him. A guy with that much talent gets his head in the game and all bets are off.</p>

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In addition to what you said, he's gotta improve his chemistry with Kidd so he can actually throw down those alley-oops that were thrown to him. He's gotta work with Kidd to get to where KMart and VC are with Kidd and alley-oops.</p>

He could've gotten an AND1 with a couple of those, but he fumbled, and either was fouled or turned it over.</p>

 

[pegs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Yesterday at least, he was a bit of a black hole on offense. Sean gets ball, Sean shoots ball.</p>

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Or Sean loses ball. That's expected. Good thing is he only did it twice. Out of about 10 times he had the ball on the offensive end.</p>

Another good thing is, although he is unqualified, he is 12th in the league in blocked shots, 4th in blocks per 48, tied for first with Yi Jianlian who gets twice as many minutes, and 2nd among rookies per 48. LINK</p>

That's through 4 games, tho. Not bad, IMO.</p>

 

[Shotzy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Yesterday at least, he was a bit of a black hole on offense. Sean gets ball, Sean shoots ball.</p>

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Or Sean loses ball. That's expected. Good thing is he only did it twice. Out of about 10 times he had the ball on the offensive end.</p>

Another good thing is, although he is unqualified, he is 12th in the league in blocked shots, 4th in blocks per 48, tied for first with Yi Jianlian who gets twice as many minutes, and 2nd among rookies per 48. LINK</p>

That's through 4 games, tho. Not bad, IMO.</p>

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The most glaring part of those stats MPG SW=13.4. the next lowest for people above him is 29 mpg.</p>

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[cpawfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Is there anyone who DOESN'T think that we're witnessing the development of a very special player right now?</div></p>

Yes, that would be me</p>

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[footswalker]

Just gotta keep feeding him minutes and he really could be special. A rookie season average of 8 ppg, 5 rebs, 2.5 blocks is not out of the question if he gets 25-30 minutes a night. And it's important he be out there with Kidd, too. He will start to get the alley oops down if he keeps working. He showed nice hands on the back pass Kidd threw him. Even Boone figured some things out by the end of last year (though this year, he looks awful), and he is no where near as good as Sean Willy. Like Boone, he still needs to work on being strong with the ball when he gets the board. Collins still hasn't figured this part out in 6 years. Frank's whole "the moment was too big" quote is absurd. It was game 7 of the season, not game 7 of the playoffs, you jackarse. Wake UP and Play the Seanshank Rejection!!!

 

[Kidd Karma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rollydog)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Sean has really impressed me with his energy and rebounding. The shotblocking is a given, but I didn't expect him to be as good on the glass. He might seem a bit thin, but like RJ said, he has tons of strength. He's averaging 12 rpg (4 offensive) per 40 minutes. Really good for a guy who is often out of position going for the block.</p>

Another encouraging factoid, like Dumpy said, is his FT shooting. It improved from 50% to 70% between his sophmore and junior years. I'd expect him to be around that or higher this season.</p>

Interesting comparing him to Kmart. He's certainly longer, abetter shotblocker,and probably a more accurate shooter. I'm not sure he knows what he's doing in the post though. He definitely has some moves, he just needs to develop them. I don't remember how Martin looked exactly but he didn't seem as lost. Kmart had bball IQ. He wasn't incredible in that department but certainly had an underrated understanding of the game. Williams has shotblocking instincts. Is that as far as it goes? I guess we'll see.</p>

The questions I have for you guys is, was he a similar player in college? (if you saw him) How did he look during the preseason? I'm interested to know if the effort he's been bringing is going to be permanent. If so, he probably has a couple all-star selections waiting for him. A guy with that much talent gets his head in the game and all bets are off.</p>

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The difference between him and KMart is about what 40 college games, a season and a half of practice. That's where the IQ comes from. Once he starts getting his feet wet with minutes he should be fine in that department. The lows will be when he hits the rookie wall, something he will hit a lot sooner than a guy who's gone to college for at least 2 years. Frank starts crippling his growth by taking him out after EVERY mistake.</p>

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[Jizzy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Is there anyone who DOESN'T think that we're witnessing the development of a very special player right now?</div></p>

Yes, that would be me</p>

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Marco Bell. has looked GREAT in GS. A true sleeper pick by you, when's he gonna wake up?</p>

 

[FOMW]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Is there anyone who DOESN'T think that we're witnessing the development of a very special player right now?</div></p>

Yes, that would be me</p>

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What a shocker.</p>

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[Teaneck_Armory_Guy]

Too early to tell. But it'll be interesting finding out. Looks like he could be an electrifying player. Glad Nets drafted him.</p>

 

[MFNetsFan]

I'm definitely excited when he steps on the floor - - especially if Kidd is on the floor with him.</p>

Anyone else notice that within 2 or 3 possessions of him stepping on the court, Kidd tries to throw him an alley oop?</p>

It's not always the best game decision, but it certainly revs up the crowd and the bench always comes to their feet.</p>

 

[Kidd Karma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MFNetsFan)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

I'm definitely excited when he steps on the floor - - especially if Kidd is on the floor with him.</p>

Anyone else notice that within 2 or 3 possessions of him stepping on the court, Kidd tries to throw him an alley oop?</p>

It's not always the best game decision, but it certainly revs up the crowd and the bench always comes to their feet.</p>

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Keeps him in the game from the get go.</p>

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[Shotzy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MFNetsFan)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

I'm definitely excited when he steps on the floor - - especially if Kidd is on the floor with him.</p>

Anyone else notice that within 2 or 3 possessions of him stepping on the court, Kidd tries to throw him an alley oop?</p>

It's not always the best game decision, but it certainly revs up the crowd and the bench always comes to their feet.</p>

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That's why JKidd is the best. Gets the kid going and gives him confidence.</p>

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[GMJ]

Welcome to any new members I haven't said hi to already! Send me a PM if you have any questions about the site.</p>

It really was deja vu everytime Kidd was on the break with Sean in the game. Not just clear path lobs; I saw a couple of attempts where they tried to get creative and throw them down in traffic.</p>

 

[cpawfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Is there anyone who DOESN'T think that we're witnessing the development of a very special player right now?</div></p>

Yes, that would be me</p>

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What a shocker.</p>

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Of course it isn't a shocker as I have stated many times that I have very little confidence in him</p>

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[Kid Chocolate]

There she is! Negative Nancy strikes again.</p>

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Hey cpaw, lay off the unbridled optimism for a minute, will ya?</p>

 

[FOMW]

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Is there anyone who DOESN'T think that we're witnessing the development of a very special player right now? [/quote]</p>

Yes, that would be me</p>

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What a shocker.</p>

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[/QUOTE]</p>

Of course it isn't a shocker as I have stated many times that I have very little confidence in him</p>

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The observation was based not on an inventory of or even cursory familiarity with your observations about Sean but upon your manifest habit of devaluing anything and anyone connected to the team who enjoys even a modicum of popular appeal among other fans (aside from Jason Kidd and your dearly departed K-Mart). One day you may luck up and discover that to be contrary is not necessarily to be right.</p>

Until then, I'll try to hide my shock when you reply to this post for the same reason you replied to the last one . . . not because you have anything new to say but because you must always have the last word.</p>

 

[ly_yng]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Of course it isn't a shocker as I have stated many times that I have very little confidence in him</p>

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I'm interested as to why you have so little faith. Does it have any more depth than "he got kicked off his college team, he must be a bad seed"? Or is there some well-thought out argument as to why you think he'll ultimately fail to live up to his potential as an NBA player?</p>

 

[cpawfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

</p>

The observation was based not on an inventory of or even cursory familiarity with your observations about Sean but upon your manifest habit of devaluing anything and anyone connected to the team who enjoys even a modicum of popular appeal among other fans (aside from Jason Kidd and your dearly departed K-Mart). One day you may luck up and discover that to be contrary is not necessarily to be right.</p>

Until then, I'll try to hide my shock when you reply to this post for the same reason you replied to the last one . . . not because you have anything new to say but because you must always have the last word.</p>

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Wow, you just demonstrated a tremendous amount of ignorance. Kidd isn't even close to my favorite Net. I simply respect his game far more than I respect Vince's.</p>

Krstic, RJ and Boki are my 3 favorite Nets. I give my honest opinion on every Net at all times.</p>

 

[ly_yng]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Until then, <font size="5">I'll try to hide my shock when you reply to this post</font> for the same reason you replied to the last one . . . not because you have anything new to say but <font size="5">because you must always have the last word.</font></p>

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Wow, you just demonstrated a tremendous amount of ignorance. Kidd isn't even close to my favorite Net. I simply respect his game far more than I respect Vince's.</p>

Krstic, RJ and Boki are my 3 favorite Nets. I give my honest opinion on every Net at all times.</p>

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Perhaps my perceptions are awry, but you, Sir, seem to only give your honest opinion when it contradicts any bit of positive instant analysis we message board posters are prone to jump to.</p>

Don't forget that fan is short for fanatic. Asking us to be rational is futile. Asking us to do so only when the news is good, well, that's just plain mean.</p>

 

[cpawfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Of course it isn't a shocker as I have stated many times that I have very little confidence in him</p>

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I'm interested as to why you have so little faith. Does it have any more depth than "he got kicked off his college team, he must be a bad seed"? Or is there some well-thought out argument as to why you think he'll ultimately fail to live up to his potential as an NBA player?</p>

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I see him as a rotational big man that blocks some shots and scores some garbage buckets. My comment about confidence in him is related to the very lofty expectations of him in here</p>

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[GMJ]

Sir? </p>

 

[cpawfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Perhaps my perceptions are awry, but you, Sir, seem to only give your honest opinion when it contradicts any bit of positive instant analysis we message board posters are prone to jump to.</p>

Don't forget that fan is short for fanatic. Asking us to be rational is futile. Asking us to do so only when the news is good, well, that's just plain mean.</p>

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Yeah calling for Boki to get more playing time or in the past rookies to get more playing time always contradicted positive analysis. Defending Twin and RJ was also always against positive analysis</p>

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[J.S]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

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The observation was based not on an inventory of or even cursory familiarity with your observations about Sean but upon your manifest habit of devaluing anything and anyone connected to the team who enjoys even a modicum of popular appeal among other fans (aside from Jason Kidd and your dearly departed K-Mart). One day you may luck up and discover that to be contrary is not necessarily to be right.</p>

Until then, I'll try to hide my shock when you reply to this post for the same reason you replied to the last one . . . not because you have anything new to say but because you must always have the last word.</p>

</div></p>

</p>

Wow, you just demonstrated a tremendous amount of ignorance. Kidd isn't even close to my favorite Net. I simply respect his game far more than I respect Vince's.</p>

Krstic, RJ and Boki are my 3 favorite Nets. I give my honest opinion on every Net at all times.</p></div>

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That's an invalid objection, you always bring negative comments to positive player evaluations. Anyway I'm not sure what You mean by "honest opinion" since you seem to relish being a disingenuous contrarian