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Nets Franchise DONE

The nets are just done they lost kenyon martin and kerry kittles and those are 2 starters. Now their starting line up looks pathetic they have jason colins at center and he cant play. They dont have enough good backups.
 
Well...Kidd, Jefferson and Krstic...don't forget about them.
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<div class="quote_poster">Quoting PHILLYsixers323:</div><div class="quote_post">The nets are just done they lost kenyon martin and kerry kittles and those are 2 starters. Now their starting line up looks pathetic they have jason colins at center and he cant play. They dont have enough good backups.</div>

So, you're saying, if a team has a bad offseason, the franchise is DONE. Great logic. :thumbsdow
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post">Well...Kidd, Jefferson and Krstic...don't forget about them.
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I don't get all the hype about Krstic. So what if he had an okay game against Yao? International success doesn't translate to professional fame, and I think it's too risky to put your hopes on a rookie big man.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trip:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't get all the hype about Krstic. So what if he had an okay game against Yao? International success doesn't translate to professional fame, and I think it's too risky to put your hopes on a rookie big man.</div>

Yeah, I didn't say I believe he'll be great. I'm just saying that the Nets need to give him a chance, because what do they have to lose? He may be better than Collins...or...he may be good enough to be the starting PF.

C - Collins/Mourning
PF - Krstic/A. Williams
SF - Jefferson
SG - E. Williams
PG - Kidd

I don't know...probably not the worst team, but then again...it depends on how Kidd is health-wise. Even that, the Nets may be looking at a bumpy road ahead of them this season.
 
it is pretty sad considering the great team they had last year and now they dont have much of anything
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, I didn't say I believe he'll be great. I'm just saying that the Nets need to give him a chance, because what do they have to lose? He may be better than Collins...or...he may be good enough to be the starting PF.

C - Collins/Mourning
PF - Krstic/A. Williams
SF - Jefferson
SG - E. Williams
PG - Kidd

I don't know...probably not the worst team, but then again...it depends on how Kidd is health-wise. Even that, the Nets may be looking at a bumpy road ahead of them this season.</div>


Nenad Kristic wont be starting at power forward, he just isnt ready the Nets wont rush him like that, A- train will be our starting power forward for now. And I think he will do a solid job like when he was forced to start close to 30 games in 2000 (the season before Kidd came) when Van Horn & Martin both missed alot of games on the frontline. That was clearly his best year as a Net. And I think he will step up and accept that role again. Iam not expecting great # from A.Will, just expecting him to bring some consistency & leadership to our young shakey frontline.

If Zo returns and can be a somewhat effective player then that changes our frontline somewhat because of the addition of another experienced bigman. And if Zo does return, it will probably have the most effect on Kristic's minutes, because the the Nets can take Nenad's developemnt process even slower, if Zo is affective. Either way Iam not going into next season expecting Nenad to be the answer to our bigman problems. Hopefully he can give some solid backup minutes at best.

To the orginal topic, I dont understand how you can say the franchise is done, we have a 23-24 year old RJ, who is a consistent jumpshot away for being a all-star level player in this league for years to come. They have the best point guard in the game, who they can either use to get some young talent or keep to help develope the players they get thru the draft in the up coming years. The Nets have plenty of 1st round picks in the up coming seasons.

So we may struggle in what should be an expriemental season next year. But our fanchise is no way done. We have been thru plenty of these down periods before so we will bounce back, its been done before. And as far as ruling us out the playoffs its to early for that. Yes the Nets will suffer, especially until december without Kidd. But the Nets also have two wild cards on their roster Zo & Ron Mercer, while Iam not expecting much from them, the potenial for them to be productive is still there because these are two guys who have produced in this league before, Zo of course more than anything. In the east you really cant count a team with the experience of our Nets out of the playoff race. The Nets have proven time aghain that they know the right time to get hot & go on streaks. Also look at the Alantic Division and tell me what team is ready to run away with the crown? Its going to be a wide open race all season for the division title imo.

If we dont make the playoffs, oh well, that isnt the main goal of this season anyway. I think this is a year, where we will focus more on our younger guys, this is a year where we want to see RJ take another step in his game & growth, this is a year to see if Jason Collins should be in the long term plans, this is a year where we want to begin to see exactly what Zoran Planinc is going to bring to the Table. Also to see a good sign from Nenad Kristic here and there.
 
i dont think zo is going to be able to give the nets much of anything this year i think he should just retire.
 
Didn't you guys hear about Kidd's problems or seomthing wit his body.. I heard he can't play until December... and that also lessens his trade value alot... the nets should get rid of him fast for loads of young talent while they can.

Without Kidd there's no Nets, Jefferson can't create on his own, he needs Kidd.
 
I don't think they're done but they have set themselves back as far as winning a championship goes.

If rebuidling is their main focus though, I think they should be trading Jason Kidd and try to get some younger talent that they can work with. Kidd is a good player but his old age, iffy knees, and contract really hold this team back, and I doubt the Nets will win a championship before Kidd retires.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Mr.Wade:</div><div class="quote_post">Didn't you guys hear about Kidd's problems or seomthing wit his body.. I heard he can't play until December... and that also lessens his trade value alot... the nets should get rid of him fast for loads of young talent while they can.

Without Kidd there's no Nets, Jefferson can't create on his own, he needs Kidd. </div>


RJ can create his own shot its just all going toward the basket, off the dribble. And thats his problem. I think alot of people are making their judgements of RJ, mainly based on his preformance at the olympics. But RJ game is much better then that display, last year when the game slowed down, a solid part of the Nets offense went thru what RJ could create off the dribble outside of the motion offense, because despite what many love to believe, Kidd does not create much, once the game is slowed down in the half-court.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting PHILLYsixers323:</div><div class="quote_post">i dont think their gonna make the playoffs</div>

The Nets will make the playoffs just because of they are in the east. They will probably be the 7th or 8th seed. Yes they did lose Kenyon and Kittles. but with if the players that the go in the off season. has a break out year like jefferson had.

I say you can look at the players on paper and look at all the moves that they made and say damn this team looks like garbage but you never know.

Also if you look at the bulls championship teams. You couldnt go any further then jordan and pippen in depth on that team and look what they did.

But Jefferson is no Pippen, Kidd is no Jordan, and The Nets is no Bulls but its shows that you dont need a bunch of stars on a team to win you just need to have players that have their breakout moment when the time comes.

I will not count the Nets out even before the season started. I will count them out when the playoffs start and they are not in it. then that means hig draft pick for us.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Henacy:</div><div class="quote_post">RJ can create his own shot its just all going toward the basket, off the dribble. And thats his problem. I think alot of people are making their judgements of RJ, mainly based on his preformance at the olympics. But RJ game is much better then that display, last year when the game slowed down, a solid part of the Nets offense went thru what RJ could create off the dribble outside of the motion offense, because despite what many love to believe, Kidd does not create much, once the game is slowed down in the half-court.</div>

I agree with you on this Hen half the time that he created his own shot in the playoffs where was kidd? On the bench. Kidd does play an intracate roll in the offense with a fastbreak system but it looks like this season they are going to take it slow and work players into an offense that looks to be more half court orientated.

<font color="Red">Great posts NJNetz, and I agree with what you said in both. But next time please try to put both post together with the Edit button, inorder to prevent a trend of double posting, thanks guys-Henacy</font>
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting NJNetz:</div><div class="quote_post">The Nets will make the playoffs just because of they are in the east. They will probably be the 7th or 8th seed. Yes they did lose Kenyon and Kittles. but with if the players that the go in the off season. has a break out year like jefferson had.
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Well Iam not expecting a overally amount from the guys that we got during the offseason. But I definately think they will help to improve a Nets bench that absolutely stunk last season with Rodney Rogers and Lu Harris been inconsistent.And us having nothing else on the bench besides those two and A-train... but this year our bench should be much more solid with the new editions combined with the old players we had before, our bench should look something like this....


Eric Williams- this guys is going to bring alot of leadership verstilty to our basketball team and bench, seeing as he can fill in minutes at three different spots on the court when need be, and he is going to make a good fare share of defensive plays of the bench something Rogers' didnt do last season.

Ron Mercer-depending on what the Nets do with Lu Harris, whether they buy his contract out, trade him, or maybe even his experience with the Nets will allow them to have the faith in Lu as the starter, so I dont know if Mercer will be on the bench or be as starter(Iam thinking starter tho), either way Mercer will bring the potenial to provide the Nets with another legitimate perimeter scoring option. And someone who can create his own shot non-dependent on Jason Kidd, something we didnt have much of last year on our roster.

Jacque Vaughn- With Kidd out till december Vaughn really scares me as the potenial starter for us at the point. But once Kidd returns and Vaughn goes to the bench then I think he will be a major asset to the team. During the kidd era, we never had a legit backup(except for Anthony Johnson somewhat) for kidd to allow him to get a decent amount of rest. Jacque Vaughn, wont be overly productive but he will make smart decisions.And have a limited amount of turnovers, which will allow the offense to run somewhat smoothly while kidd is getting some rest. Something that hadnt happen here in the past.

Nenad Kristic- Iam not expecting to much from Nenad but he will provide us a guy who this year, can hopefully show some signs for the future in what should be limited minutes to a certain extent.

And then we have cats that were apart of the bench last year but have the potienial to produce more this year then they did last.....

Zo Mourning- Well name standouts the most right now, b/c you just dont know what to expect from a guy coming of a kidney transplant.And only played 12 games last season. But Iam sure that Zo wont return & the Nets wont allow him to return, unless he is 100%. I think if Zo provides the Nets with 55 to 60 games this year then thats the most you can ask of him.

I think that the thing that what Zo will provide the most is some of the intangablies the Nets lost with Martin, his overall approach to the game is very similar to K-Mart's. Of course, dont look for Zo to produce anything close to the # Martin put up, because his body just wont allow him too. But I think Zo will bring alot of intangablies to the table. And he will except nothing but quality effort from the younger bigmen we have on the roster like JC, Nenad, Davis etc, so he will be a on-court/ in practiuce mentor, possibly bringing a little more out of those guys games.

Brain Scalabrine- Scali maybe the player that benefits the most from the departure of Rodney Rogers' because it now open up a chance for Scali to have a legit role in the every game rotation. And one thing we know about Scali is he going to give the effort inorder to take full advantage of his shot. And effort was something that was rarely associated with Rodney last season.

Zoran Planinic- I think Ron Mercer and Zo are the two major wild cards on the Nets next year. but after those two I would have to say Zoran is the next biggest wild card, because we really dont know what Zoran can bring to the table. He had an excellent summer league series for us this year, but we still dont know what position or role is best suited for Zoran.

He was expected to be the 3rd point guard in the rotation with the signing of Jacque Vaughn, but with the recent news of kidd being out till December, it looks like Zoran will be the backup for the start of the season. So I guess we will get to see what exact improvements/ adjustments(if any) he has made in his game that will allow better handle the point guard duties.

But if Zoran doesnt show more signs then he did last season at the point, I think the Nets need to find something else to do with Zoran because made he isnt fit to run point at the NBA level. So why waste all of Zoran's Net career trying to play a position he is fit to play at such a high level.

And then we have the guys who can be look at as nothing more then roster filler right now....

Kyle Davis- He wont be apart of the every game rotation, but with our front court being shakey, he will find him shelf getting some spot duty here and there. I hear he is an excellent shot blocker, and rebounder with a good amount of athletism. So when Kyle Davis does get called on in his limited spot duty maybe he will provide us with something from time to time, because if you are athletic you have a chance to produce something alongside kidd.

Rodney Buford- Buford is no stranger to being roster filler, seeing as that was what he was with Sacro last year. But with LU Harris' postion still up in the air, he(Buford) may find himself away to actually get off the bench from time to time this year. And his extremely athletic ablity maybe the key to him doing so....

So no we dont have any Antawn Jamisons' or any Al Harringtons' or any other primetime bench preformer on our bench but we do have a solid collection of guys, who if can find a role or a niche of something they each do well and can contribute, then I think we can say we have a soplid bench core. Our frontline off the bench definately comes off as a little shakey.

It would be nice to add a guy like a Fizer or a Clark off the bench or starting (which would allow A-train to move back to a back position adding more stablilty to our frontline beench). But even if we dont add anyone else, if our frontline just provides consistent effort and takes on a role as a scappy bunch. Then Iam cool with that, because our perimeter load clearly has to carry much of the offensive load anyway. So one thing that is always assoicated with Eric Williams, Zo, Scali is effort. They always give it. And something we couldnt say we had evry night off the bench last season. So imo our bench is already an up grade over last years.
 
The Nets franchis is not done,yet.

But the Nets do have a lot of holes to fill and I dont think it will be easy to fill them.
I really dont understand trading two of your starters for draft picks,if you trade starters you should get players back because draft picks arent going to play for you untill a whole other season.

I think the Nets need change and its time to start building around their franchise,Richard Jefferson,I would trade J Kidd for a decent PG and some depth because right now I dont think J-Kidd fits the Nets anymore,now that K-Mart is gone they need more of a scoring PG,IMO.

They do have some positive things to look foward to though,RJ will probally be playing his best basketball and he should be an all star next year and possibally a top ten player,Alonzo is going to attempt a comeback and if he is sucessful he should be a solid inside force for the Nets.They also have some ok role players like Scalebrine,Rodney Buford,A-Train,and Eric Williams.
 
The Nets are not 'DONE'. They are just in the 'rebuilding' stage.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The Nets franchis is not done,yet.

But the Nets do have a lot of holes to fill and I dont think it will be easy to fill them.
I really dont understand trading two of your starters for draft picks,if you trade starters you should get players back because draft picks arent going to play for you untill a whole other season.</div>

The Nets were pretty hand cuffed to take the draft picks from Denver for Martin, once they decide they werent going to match the big offer Denver had put on the table. Denver was going to get Martin whether or not the Nets took the draft picks, so Rob Thorn had to get something. He fought hard to get Nene, but Denver had no reason to give him up because they held all the cards, so the only player that Denver was willing to give up was
Nikiloz Tskitishvilli, I'll take the draft picks over that anyday of the week.

And as far as Kittles goes alot of different deals fell thru, teams were really reluctant to take on KK contract even for a year because of the luxury tax. The best chance was Portland for Reef, but that fell thru once they signed Trenton Hassell to a offer sheet,which portland still didnt get. So the only team left that was far under the cap to take on Kittles without hurting them was the Clippers. And we had to rush that deal honestly, if we wanted to get rid of Kittles contract, before they decided to match Q-Rich's offer from PHX.

So it was kind of like Rob thorn's hands were tied in both deals because Kittles didnt turn out to be the trade bait we figured he would have been, with his shooting range and NBA exprience. But his contract is a killer in this luxury tax era.


<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I think the Nets need change and its time to start building around their franchise,Richard Jefferson,I would trade J Kidd for a decent PG and some depth because right now I dont think J-Kidd fits the Nets anymore,now that K-Mart is gone they need more of a scoring PG,IMO.</div>

I think the Nets planned to build around RJ anyway,especially after his 2nd half of the season last year.And the playoffs. I think the offseason occurancies is just speeding up the proccess a bit. But your right its time for RJ to spread his wings and take over the head role of this team in alot of aspects.

As far as Kidd goes, I think he is still a good fit for this team and very much need for the developement of our younger players currently on the roster and the future young guys we will get thru the draft. I think that young players need a guy like Kidd at the point to help with their developement along the way. With Kidd at the point it makes them feel secure that they always have a chance to win some games, which sometimes is needed to bring a little more out of them.

As far as Kidd's production goes, if Kidd can comeback from the injury and still be able to push the ball with that Knee then Kidd will still be affective probably not at the same MVP caliber level that he was say 2 or 3 years ago. But still at a high level. If Kidd cant push the ball then I must admit I will begin to worry.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">They do have some positive things to look foward to though,RJ will probally be playing his best basketball and he should be an all star next year and possibally a top ten player,Alonzo is going to attempt a comeback and if he is sucessful he should be a solid inside force for the Nets.They also have some ok role players like Scalebrine,Rodney Buford,A-Train,and Eric Williams.</div>

I agree, thats what this season is more less about finding positives that we can build on for the future, we have a mix of veteran and young guys, which should make for an interesting season, since the type of veterans we got are all reguarded as on-court leaders Kidd, Zo, E-Will. These guys might be able to motivate a little bit more out of someone we werent expecting much from...
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I really dont understand trading two of your starters for draft picks,if you trade starters you should get players back because draft picks arent going to play for you untill a whole other season.</div>

Then when that time comes, you'll have good, maybe even great players. The Nets arent gonna go far without k-mart, so they might as well rebuild, and that's why you'd collect a bunch of first rounders.
 
They'll make it in the 7th or 8th slot. The main thing is they keep at no lower than a .450 win percentage till Kidd gets there. If they blow up before he can get there they don't have a shot.
 
Regardless if the Net franchise is done, which I doubt, I think the Knicks will be better. The Nets still have RJ and JKIDD, but KMART was a HUGE loss, and everyone knows it.
 
umm they are done there is no way they will b making it to the playorffs either cleveland toronto or philly will take there spot and all 3 teams have arguablly a better team
 
...is the destruction of the New Jersey Nets. I mean, we thought the Lakers were crumbling, at least they still have Kobe, and now Odom and some other guys! The Nets HAVE to be in deep sh*t. I mean, 3 years of ultimate sucess and WHAM! What happened?

Nets Hitlist:

Lucious Harris
Kenyon Marton
Kerry Kittles
Rodney Rogers

And yeah, they still got RJ. But even with the addition of still having Kidd, he might be slowly declining because of age and a surgery this offseason. And who even said that Kidd will still be on the team come December? And I dont think Alonzo Mourning is gonna save the team. I mean trust me, I want the Nets to do horrible, but god forbid Alonzo f*cks up his new kidney, because if he does, then he is seriously f*cked.

<font color="Red">Please people look thru the forum to see if there is already a similiar topic like the one you would like to start. We have plenty topics like this one about the Nets so called "destruction". Thread merged- Henacy</font>
 
^ They had to cut cost in order to relocate to Brooklyn. When they have settled they will go for marquee free agents to rebuild the Nets. By the time it happened J Kidd may already be gone.
 
Sigh...This was one great offseason for Knick fans everywhere. The improvements on our own team and the promises of being fully healthy when the season begins would have been satisfying enough. But the crash and burn of the Nets...that was a real treat. Still not quite sure which one i enjoyed more. And I was looking forward to "The Battle of the Atlantic" a few months ago too. Oh well. Good riddance to the Nets. May they play in obscurity until the end of the world.
 
I remember the some of my untrue Knick fan frineds switched to liking the Nets when they started getting good. They were so excited when the Nets were moving to Brooklyn especially native Brooklynites. Now the Nets are crumbling and they are switching to liking the Knicks now.
 
Well, the Nets will have Jefferson, Kidd, Nenad Krstic, Aaron Williams, Eric Williams and Alonzo. I don't see them doing alot, but they aren't going to be as bad as everyone makes them out to be. I just pray that Alonzo does well and stays healthy, that's all that matters to me (since I'm not that much of a Nets fan).
 
I noticed a trend of topics being started by people who surpport the Nets' Atlantic division rivials, topics like the "Nets are done" etc, I know, in the words of jigga, you cats have been sitting back & praying on the down fall, simply because we have ran thru your Atlantic division teams pretty easily the last 3 seasons. But I dont think you should take us so lightly this year. The Nets still have plenty of heart & experience on their roster. And they will be in the hunt for the Atlantic division title again this year. Simply because the teams in the division(your teams) arent that much better then this current Nets squad.

I think that people need to stop comparing this Nets squad to the eastern conference champions of 2002 & 2003. And start comparing them to the rest of the Atlantic division of 04'-05', you will quickly see that the Nets arent that far off the pace compared to the sixers, Knicks, Raptors & Celtics.
 
Henacy...the Nets quite simply are finished for the season. All the two year Nets fans are going to switch to whatever team their going to switch to because they know the Nets are down and out for the count. As for just waiting for the Nets to get into troubkle... for two decades the Knicks have owned the Nets, then the Nets get hot for two years and their this great franchise. The Nets will do very poorly even in the weak Atlantic division. Heart and Experience??? Sorry but teams wont be afraid of Aaron Williams in the low post. Or afraid of Richard Jefferson without Kidd, K mart and Kittles running alongside him. Kidd at the earliest will be back by December. You cant even compare the Nets to the Knicks. The Nets have nothing. It hurts I know. The Raptors are better than the Nets and I dont think too highly of them either. The 76'rs and Celtics are better than the Nets as well. Time to face the facts...it's pretty much over. The days of Kenyon Martin leaping up and dunking a ball that was lobbed up to him by Jason Kidd right after he faked the pass left to Richard Jefferson is over. The Nets are dead and good riddance. May they become the Clippers of the Eastern Conference.
 
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