The suns fans think we are criminal

[odenied]

for playing roy! WTF?
http://phxsuns.net/showthread.php?t=2100&page=6


I think they were ill-advised to risk playing Roy at this point. The guy just had surgery for cryin out loud.
It will be interesting to see how his knee responds tomorrow. That's the true test of how healthy you are.
Still a huge risk no matter what the knee "feels" like tomorrow - I hope Portland loses out on potential FAs because of this dick move.
I'm not sure its accurate to paint McMillan and Blazer Brass as these evil, win-at-all-costs people. I mean, if that was the case, Roy wouldn't have surgery in the first place. And if Roy was any way against this, it wouldn't have happened.

I'm not saying I support their decision, but I think all these "criminal" allegations are bit over-the-top.



I -cannot- believe they let Roy play, and over 20 minutes at that. Haven't they learned anything from all the injuries they have faced this year?? They have no chance, ZERO chance, of a title this season. So why would you ever risk your star's entire future and career just to possibly win a 1st round playoff series? This is simply insane. And the best of all is that they have to clear it with, not the doctors, but the OWNER. LMAO.

 

[BGrantFan]

Aww, poor Suns fan. Suddenly, this series isn't the cakewalk that they expected.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Wow, fucking retards. B-Roy begged Coach to play him. They're calling this a dick move? What, cuz we're not going to drop and roll on the floor (like their soft-ass players)???

One fan said:"i'd like gentry to try this group at the beginning of 2nd and 4th qtr:

amundson, dragic, dudley, frye, hill"

I'd love to see that, too. We'd tear that group to shreds.

 

[TripTango]

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[Draco]

I thought this was interesting:

Look at the handling of Lopez vs. Roy. Might explain why our training staff is so much better then theirs and why they lose so much court time due to injuries.

That org is not well-run. I am so glad we have such a top-notch medical staff in Phoenix; it would break my heart to see one of our guys coming back too soon from an operation like that. 9 days after a knee surgery, you're on the court? Ridiculous. He is going to be out half of next season if they aren't careful.

That's the worst part of the whole thing. This is a Portland team that is on the verge of being absolutely dominant. Can you imagine this team we're facing right now, PLUS a healthy Roy, plus a healthy Greg Oden, plus a healthy Batum, plus Joel Przybilla the Vanilla Gorilla? (They'd probably trade Pryz for some other depth, but still. Wow.) I think I just wet my pants a little. That team is going to be seriously scary. But if you put Roy on the shelf next year with a lingering gimpy knee that keeps him out most of the year? Much more beatable.

The smart move is to accept that they aren't contenders this year and think about the big picture. If they beat us, I'll congratulate them, but I think their decision is extremely unwise.

 

[The Sebastian Express]

I thought this was interesting:

They should probably recall that the Phoenix organization allowed Amar'e to play without the goggles he was required to play with last year (because he said they were uncomfortable), and it ended with him getting his retina detached (IIRC) right after the trade deadline and missing the rest of the year.

This is also the same organization that allowed him to come back to play three games after having microfracture surgery mid-season only to lose him once again for the rest of the year.

 

[illmatic99]

I thought this was interesting:

I'm riding way too high on emotions of Roy's return to think rationally here. Those comments will not faze me today.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

I'm riding way too high on emotions of Roy's return to think rationally here. Those comments will not faze me today.

It's okay; even thinking rationally, what they're saying is kind of ridiculous.

 

[maxiep]

They should probably recall that the Phoenix organization allowed Amar'e to play without the goggles he was required to play with last year (because he said they were uncomfortable), and it ended with him getting his retina detached (IIRC) right after the trade deadline and missing the rest of the year.

This is also the same organization that allowed him to come back to play three games after having microfracture surgery mid-season only to lose him once again for the rest of the year.

Unfortunately, that first game was against us, and he single-handedly kicked the crap out of us.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

No shit. Their noses are out of joint, cuz this threatens their chances in the series, and they can't admit as much. Instead, they'd rather just bitch about Roy playing, and how what we're doing is criminal. But they don't have all the info. They don't realized that, 1, Roy has said his knee after the surgery feels better than it's felt in a long time, and 2, Roy begged to play, and supposedly has been told playing won't put his future at risk.

I'd say the mishandling of Amare's injuries is far worse than anything with Roy. And referring to our other injuries this year.... Oden and Przy were freak injuries. Batum's injury was an issue made worse by him playing through the summer, and we had no control over it. Outlaw, freak injury. He jumped, and broke a bone. Rudy? That's from being raped by Ariza. It's not like our training staff could have prevented any of these. If anything, I blame Nate for letting any of these guys touch the flood.

 

[Sug]

Unfortunately, that first game was against us, and he single-handedly kicked the crap out of us.

Payback is a bitch.

 

[maxiep]

I actually understand what the Suns' fans are saying, but they're ignoring the fact that the injured menisus is gone. There's nothing more to injure. Perhaps he could open up a suture, but that's no different than Kurt Schilling pitching with a bloody sock.

The situation between Roy and Lopez couldn't be more different.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Payback is a bitch.

I'd rather a season-ending karate chop from Pendergraph be a bitch instead.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

I actually understand what the Suns' fans are saying, but they're ignoring the fact that the injured menisus is gone. There's nothing more to injure. Perhaps he could open up a suture, but that's no different than Kurt Schilling pitching with a bloody sock.

Roy had his stitches out yesterday; there's basically nothing to get hurt. He's on the fast/awesome end of the 1-2 week recovery prognosis. It happens.

 

[julius]

Didn't the Suns also play Amare way too soon from his MF, causing him to injure his other knee?

Also, any franchise that purposely trades for Shaq, when they're a fast paced offense, can't have fans claim they're a well run organization. Not that we're necessarily a 'well run' organization.

 

[The Sebastian Express]

I thought this was interesting:

I actually understand what the Suns' fans are saying, but they're ignoring the fact that the injured menisus is gone. There's nothing more to injure. Perhaps he could open up a suture, but that's no different than Kurt Schilling pitching with a bloody sock.

The situation between Roy and Lopez couldn't be more different.

Yeah. The thing that would be an issue with Roy is swelling and pain, and his overall pain tolerance. Lopez is dealing with back issues - a big difference from the knee.

And I remember that game Amar'e had against us his first night back, it was very painful to watch him light us up on dunks. But they still probably should have sat him longer, or for the entire year.

But the eye-handling last year was a big, big no-no.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

I actually understand what the Suns' fans are saying, but they're ignoring the fact that the injured menisus is gone. There's nothing more to injure. Perhaps he could open up a suture, but that's no different than Kurt Schilling pitching with a bloody sock.

The situation between Roy and Lopez couldn't be more different.

That was ketchup.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Meh. I'd be lying if I said I'm not worried about the situation - but Roy is a big boy. If he thinks he can play, it is tough to not give him the chance.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

LOL, they are idiots.

 

[illmatic99]

I actually understand what the Suns' fans are saying, but they're ignoring the fact that the injured menisus is gone. There's nothing more to injure. Perhaps he could open up a suture, but that's no different than Kurt Schilling pitching with a bloody sock.

Isn't there a chance that he can experience swelling and/or soreness tomorrow?

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Isn't there a chance that he can experience swelling and/or soreness tomorrow?

Possible, but again... these are professionals. A swollen knee isn't a bulging disc. Roy had minor surgery on a minor injury, and was back because his team needed him more than he thought they would. It's not a big deal, and it's certainly not criminal or sacrificing next season.

 

[Sug]

I just read this from a link over at Blazersedge. Pretty interesting in terms of how far sports medicine has come, I am sure someone might come in and hearken for a return to the "glory days" of basketball when men were men and they simply torn out their knee when slamming it into their opponents head to send a message.

NBA Basketball 8 Days After Meniscus Surgery!
April 24th, 2010 by Dr. Pullen
Brandon Roy of the Portland Trail Blazers in the NBA played tonight in game 4 of the Blazers playoff series with the Phoenix Suns. To those of you who are not sports fans, you may say, “So what?” The amazing thing is that Roy had arthroscopic surgery for a torn meniscus 8 days ago. Surgery for a torn meniscus has come a long ways in the last couple of decades. Prior to arthroscopy a torn meniscus resulted in an open surgery and removal of all or most of the meniscus. The recovery took months, and often a return to competitive sports was difficult. Arthroscopy (Arthro for joint and scopy for using a scope) changed all of that by markedly reducing the trauma to the knee capsule and muscles surrounding the knee, making recovery much quicker. Scopes have become smaller, and techniques better over the years. Roy had surgery at Southwest Medical Center in Vancouver, WA by Dr. Don Roberts. I suspect he had only a small part of his meniscus removed, and minimal trauma was done to the other tissues of the knee. He returned tonight to play 26 minutes (just over half of the game) and helped his team to a win.

Things that have been learned about meniscus surgery are that with the much less invasive arthroscopic techniques available now, it is sometimes better to remove the least amount of meniscus possible, risking a later injury to the remaining meniscus that might require an additional surgery, because with arthroscopy doing another later surgery is not nearly as difficult as repeating an open surgery was in the days prior to arthroscopy. Leaving more of the meniscus behind allows the knee to function more normally and potentially leads to less future damage to the osteochondral cartilage, the cartilage that covers the bones the femur and tibia, so it is worth the risk of leaving more meniscus intact. Less extensive surgery also allows a faster recovery and less postoperative swelling, bleeding and pain. Still a return to NBA basketball 8 days after meniscus surgery must be some sort of record.

My son and my daughter’s boyfriend are big Blazers fans, so this is one aspect of modern medical progress that has made for a great weekend in the Pullen households.

http://drpullen.com/2010/04/24/nba-basketball-8-days-after-meniscus-surgery/

 

[maxiep]

Meh. I'd be lying if I said I'm not worried about the situation - but Roy is a big boy. If he thinks he can play, it is tough to not give him the chance.

He has all offseason to fully rest it.

 

[maxiep]

Isn't there a chance that he can experience swelling and/or soreness tomorrow?

Sure. Draining a knee is nothing. A little topical anestheic and a long needle. I've had my knee drained at halftime of a college football game, and I'm a pussy.

 

[Rodolfo]

I'd be scared of us now, too. Poor Suns fans

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Sure. Draining a knee is nothing. A little topical anestheic and a long needle. I've had my knee drained at halftime of a college football game, and I'm a pussy.

I didn't realize the glee club was so hard core at your school.

 

[maxiep]

I didn't realize the glee club was so hard core at your school.

Touche.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

I didn't realize the glee club was so hard core at your school.

Now that shit is funny.

 

[MARIS61]

I guess it's okay for a meaningless regular season game, but it's criminal for a playoff game.

Or maybe Suns fans are just babies.

Wed Mar 31, 1:32 am ET

CHICAGO (Reuters) – Two-time MVP Steve Nash, battling back spasms, out-dueled young point guard Derrick Rose to lead the Phoenix Suns to a 111-105 win over the Chicago Bulls and their eighth successive victory on Tuesday.

Nash scored 22 points and made 10 assists, including the pass to Channing Frye's go-ahead three-pointer with 41 seconds remaining to give the Suns a 106-103 lead. Nash then found Grant Hill for a dunk and added two free throws to clinch the win.