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MarAzul

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Too large and too expensive to be an expendable, multipurpose utility warship. The sea keeping has to suck
with such radical tumble-home and scoop bow. They call it wave piercing, but waves washing over it seems more like it. How the hell does this thing function as a gun platform in anything but calm seas? When those gun covers open up to allow the guns to elevate, there is a big hole for the sea to roll in and it will, right over those sloping sides or right over the bow if the ship is heading into it.

Oh Lord! look at the price tag!!! Way more than a Nimitz class carrier! Holy crap, you can't send this thing into close to shore to provide close fire support for some Marines.

WTF! Who designed this thing? Congressman?

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http://www.allmilitaryweapons.com/2011/09/zumwalt-class-destroyer.html
 
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Talk to any Navy vet and one of the first things they will always talk about is the SHEER waste of money. But I'm big sure big time Navy contractors are doing cartwheels.
 
These are the boats of choice all over asia for fishermen..bout as cheap as you can get to build being made from pvc pipe
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MarAzul said:
Too large and too expensive to be an expendable, multipurpose utility warship. The sea keeping has to suck
with such radical tumble-home and scoop bow. They call it wave piercing, but waves washing over it seems more like it. How the hell does this thing function as a gun platform in anything but calm seas? When those gun covers open up to allow the guns to elevate, there is a big hole for the sea to roll in and it will, right over those sloping sides or right over the bow if the ship is heading into it.

Oh Lord! look at the price tag!!! Way more than a Nimitz class carrier! Holy crap, you can't send this thing into close to shore to provide close fire support for some Marines.

WTF! Who designed this thing? Congressman?

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http://www.allmilitaryweapons.com/2011/09/zumwalt-class-destroyer.html
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upon first glance I thought, origami!
 
riverman said:
origami
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Dang! The salesman exceeded expectations! 7B for origami, that is talent.

Subs are stealthy. This looks like an old one, but it isn't nor as stealthy. The return of a small fishing boat? Then it has one, not stealth.
 
for the price of two of those boats we could take care of all health issues for all the 9/11 first responders.
 
You would think drone warfare is cheaper than that monstrasity. I looks like a carnival game sillouette
 
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for the price of two of those boats we could take care of all health issues for all the 9/11 first responders.
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Well, for the price of one of these big boys, we could have 10 Burke class destroyers, which even these are really too big to be called destroyers. Things are out of whack here!

As for the 1st responders, I still don't get it. We are talking about NYPD and NYFD, right? Why the hell do they not already have healthcare coverage for their on the job injuries?
What has the US tax payer to do with this?
 
MarAzul said:
Well, for the price of one of these big boys, we could have 10 Burke class destroyers, which even these are really too big to be called destroyers. Things are out of whack here!

As for the 1st responders, I still don't get it. We are talking about NYPD and NYFD, right? Why the hell do they not already have healthcare coverage for their on the job injuries?
What has the US tax payer to do with this?
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I actually don't know why, but they don't. At least their coverage isn't sufficient. I was reading about one who died and spent over $400,000 out of pocket before he died. It's criminal.
 
I have a friend whose child get a very weird infection that risked his life and but pressure on a couple cranial nerves and although he had insurance, to see the right specialists it cost my friend over a quarter mil out of pocket and the total bill was well north of a million


But the kid is fine, now has just a slight crossed eye.
 
I think for some of these ongoing issues we are talking about multiple millions of dollars, even tens of millions if they live long enough.

Also, first responders include all the volunteers who dug right after to try and free people, many of whom were not NYPD/NYFD
 
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I think for some of these ongoing issues we are talking about multiple millions of dollars, even tens of millions if they live long enough.

Also, first responders include all the volunteers who dug right after to try and free people, many of whom were not NYPD/NYFD
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I guess I got a different impression.
"The James Zadroga 9/11 Health Bill -- named after a deceased New York Police Department detective who had worked in the toxic plume at ground zero"

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Yep, Looks like a fireman.

My question is still with me? Why do these guy not already have the coverage they need? Is New York City not taking care of it's people? Do the people that create the
largest financial center, the prime terrorist target in the world, need to pay more tax to support first responders in their special place? People like Trump, Prokhorov, Goldman Sacks, IBM, GE, Ross, Hu Jintao, Gray, Bloomberg, Barnett, Zuckerman, Fascitelli, Holliday, Mathias, Cuomo, Durst. Just the top of the list, many more down the list.

I am not at all sure we should trade a War Ship to make up for the taxes they seem to be short. But, like I say, I don't know the full story. I would like to see it.

edit added Perhaps 20 or more war ships if a reality check were done.
 
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The Gearing class destroyers were the last class built at the end of WWII. They served as the main stay utility warship for close fire support , radar picket, and Carrier escort duty into the early 1970s. Forty four of them were modernized through a Fram program in the early 1960. The cost of all 44 was 5.7 billion for the initial construction, and the Fram program. Cost adjusted for inflation into todays dollars (I could try to explain but x 2.5 and x 14.4 to 1).

While a new design sure would be needed, these ship were a superior gun ship to Burke Class but without the long range Tomahawk missile capacity, nor the cruising range at 2250 tons.
Fleet oilers fixed this short coming but it was not really that bad with a cruising range of nearly 5000 miles topped off. Six 5 in. rifles provided some serious fire support when needed.
They were over maned to provide plenty of muscle to change up on the gun loading. A fresh crew could produce close to 20 round per minute per gun. With six of these, that is some serious
fire support. The Burke has two automatically loaded guns, faster but not 3 times as fast.

With a draft of 27 feet, noway can the Zumwalt perform the duties of a destroyer on fire support, and a serious sanity check is needed on the guys that approved this price per ship
Quantity has quality that is difficult to beat with any design.
 
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