This Could Go Down As One Of The Worst Blazer Drafts In Years

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Not my words. Someone else's. Not quite sure how they drew that conclusion.

Is there any logic to it??
 
The Blazers started with a #22 pick, how bad can be be . . . unless Webster suddenly goes all star on us.
 
Well, it's good to see somebody doesn't see Oden over Durant as the end of the world...
 
Even if none of them work out at all it's not like Portland passed up a future all-star to take them.
 
The only way I can see it is if they liked KP as GM and are including his dismissal as part of the draft. Which wouldn't make a lot of sense to me, but it's the only avenue I can see it not being the raving lunacy of someone who lives in an alternate dimension where people wear shoes on their heads and hamburgers eat people.
 
ABM said:
Not my words. Someone else's. Not quite sure how they drew that conclusion.

Is there any logic to it??
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It may turn out that way. But, I don't agree considering where we started with poor picks to work with.

I suppose if you think Webster was a good player (he was not), and you think that Luke Babitt won't make it in the NBA, you would predict a really terrible draft.

I wasn't happy with Webster, so I don't consider his departure much of a loss. I think Luke will be fine in the NBA and be at worst a rotation player, equaling the production of Webster at a lower cost. I think this draft will turn out fine.
 
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ABM said:
Not my words. Someone else's. Not quite sure how they drew that conclusion.

Is there any logic to it??
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Not unless they believe Sebastian Telfair had a better future at PG compared with Chris Paul.

Telfair WAS younger, though...
 
Masbee said:
and you think that Luke Garritt won't make it in the NBA.
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We drafted Leif Garritt's brother?

Larry Miller, we just found the showstopper for opening night!

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LaRue Martin
Mykill Thompson
Sam Bowie
Greg Oden

This "someone" hasn't been paying attention.
 
ABM said:
Not my words. Someone else's. Not quite sure how they drew that conclusion.

Is there any logic to it??
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If Luke Babbit is more Luke Jackson, if Eliot Williams overlaps too much with Bayless and can't sniff the court and if Armon Johnson can't beat out Patty Mills for the third point guard spot and gets cut before training camp then yeah, this could be a real stinker.
 
I think it has a very strong possibility to be a very poor draft. We have a SF for a team stacked with SF's who has played well against substandard teams/players. He's jumping up two levels to the NBA. It cost us Martel- which may or may not be costly. He may very well be another Adam Morrison. Fortunately he'll be buried at the bench or be assigned to the D league. As to Williams, he's an uber athletic, under sized SG that can't shoot very well. Wonderful. But, maybe his athleticism can be channeled well if we ditch Rudy & Bayless. Otherwise, he, too, will gather butt splinters a plenty. As to our second round pick, well, it's a second round pick.
 
BLAZER PROPHET said:
An ocean full.
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Oh it's you? Nevermind. I think Babbitt is going to be the next Chris Mullin, Johnson is going to be the next Greg Anthony and Williams is going to be the defense playing, 6'4" version of Mo Williams. :wink:
 
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Can anyone name the players the Lakers have drafted the past two years?

Our success is going to be mainly due to the improvement of players already on our roster or via trade. This draft did not mean much IMO.
 
BLAZER PROPHET said:
I think it has a very strong possibility to be a very poor draft. We have a SF for a team stacked with SF's who has played well against substandard teams/players. He's jumping up two levels to the NBA. It cost us Martel- which may or may not be costly. He may very well be another Adam Morrison. Fortunately he'll be buried at the bench or be assigned to the D league. As to Williams, he's an uber athletic, under sized SG that can't shoot very well. Wonderful. But, maybe his athleticism can be channeled well if we ditch Rudy & Bayless. Otherwise, he, too, will gather butt splinters a plenty. As to our second round pick, well, it's a second round pick.
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What are the Small Forwards on the roster now?
 
BLAZER PROPHET said:
I think it has a very strong possibility to be a very poor draft. We have a SF for a team stacked with SF's who has played well against substandard teams/players. He's jumping up two levels to the NBA. It cost us Martel- which may or may not be costly. He may very well be another Adam Morrison.
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While it's true that Adam also came out of a lessor conference, so did Larry Bird, Scottie Pippen, Jerome Kersey, and countless others. What concerned me about Adam's potential coming out wasn't the level of competition he'd faced, but his lack of size and athleticism... I didn't think he'd be able to get his shot or defend anyone. Comparing these two guys respective predrafts... Luke is 1.25" taller, has a 1.25" bigger wingspan, is 20 lbs heavier, and runs and jumps MUCH better then Adam.

they can both shoot the lights out, but by NBA SF standards Luke is a solid athlete with good size while Adam is a very poor athlete and undersized. Good size + athleticism + great shooting ability = a pretty good prospect IMO

STOMP
 
BLAZER PROPHET said:
Batum, Cunningham and possibly Gomes.
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Gomes is going to be cut or traded. Most likely cut, it seems.

Cunningham is okay, but not a big enough deal to worry about his minutes, as far as I'm concerned. And Babbitt averaged 20/10 against the NCAA tourney opponents that his team played. Seems like perfectly good production against quality opponents.

Since Gomes is not going to be kept around, Portland swapped out one small forward (Webster) for another (Babbitt). Remains to be seen how that works out, but considering Webster's stagnation since he was drafted, I think it was worth the risk. Webster may still break out, but I'm a lot more dubious about it now than a couple of years ago.
 
Minstrel said:
Since Gomes is not going to be kept around, Portland swapped out one small forward (Webster) for another (Babbitt). Remains to be seen how that works out, but considering Webster's stagnation since he was drafted, I think it was worth the risk. Webster may still break out, but I'm a lot more dubious about it now than a couple of years ago.
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We got a younger SF starting his rookie scale contract and saved millions of bucks in the next few years.

I have always (well, the last couple of years, at least) been a Webster defender, but this was a good move even as we all gotta admit Martell could still emerge as worth his contract.

Ed O.
 
Ed O said:
We got a younger SF starting his rookie scale contract and saved millions of bucks in the next few years.

I have always (well, the last couple of years, at least) been a Webster defender, but this was a good move even as we all gotta admit Martell could still emerge as worth his contract.

Ed O.
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After some din-din at Macaroni Grill with the family, I was listening to Courtside on the way home. Mike Rice is livid that Webster got traded. The quote that got me was "you always knew what you were going to get from Martell".

I was wondering if Rice meant you knew Martell would be inconsistent, because that's my take on Webster.
 
BGrantFan said:
After some din-din at Macaroni Grill with the family, I was listening to Courtside on the way home. Mike Rice is livid that Webster got traded. The quote that got me was "you always knew what you were going to get from Martell".

I was wondering if Rice meant you knew Martell would be inconsistent, because that's my take on Webster.
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Well, kudos to Mike Rice for saying something negative about the organization... even if I disagree with him, it would be fantastic to be able to think of employees of the Blazers as honest. :)

Webster WAS inconsistent, but I don't mind that if he was very good when he was good. Other than a few highlights, he simply failed to deliver far too often.

Ed O.
 
Ed O said:
Well, kudos to Mike Rice for saying something negative about the organization... even if I disagree with him, it would be fantastic to be able to think of employees of the Blazers as honest. :)

Webster WAS inconsistent, but I don't mind that if he was very good when he was good. Other than a few highlights, he simply failed to deliver far too often.

Ed O.
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Even if Rice is dead wrong on Martell, it is great to see a Blazers employee do something besides pump sunshine -- no disrespect to MB, Wheels, Tone, et al. because I know who writes their checks and it's never a good policy to shit where you eat -- I felt oddly comforted by his mini rant.
 
BGrantFan said:
After some din-din at Macaroni Grill with the family, I was listening to Courtside on the way home. Mike Rice is livid that Webster got traded. The quote that got me was "you always knew what you were going to get from Martell".

I was wondering if Rice meant you knew Martell would be inconsistent, because that's my take on Webster.
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Nah, inconsistency was only a vice when it afflicted Outlaw. With Webster, it was just part of his charm! :lol:
 
Minstrel said:
Gomes is going to be cut or traded. Most likely cut, it seems.

Cunningham is okay, but not a big enough deal to worry about his minutes, as far as I'm concerned. And Babbitt averaged 20/10 against the NCAA tourney opponents that his team played. Seems like perfectly good production against quality opponents.

Since Gomes is not going to be kept around, Portland swapped out one small forward (Webster) for another (Babbitt). Remains to be seen how that works out, but considering Webster's stagnation since he was drafted, I think it was worth the risk. Webster may still break out, but I'm a lot more dubious about it now than a couple of years ago.
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You're probably right about Gomes. I think Cunningham is going to be an NBA starter (yes, he's that good) somewhere. Babbitt (or however it's spelled) in a few years may be a back-up. But we'll see. I hope he plays well and can bring something to the team. I think he's either get mostly DNP's or play the D league his first year.
 
BLAZER PROPHET said:
You're probably right about Gomes. I think Cunningham is going to be an NBA starter (yes, he's that good) somewhere. Babbitt (or however it's spelled) in a few years may be a back-up. But we'll see. I hope he plays well and can bring something to the team. I think he's either get mostly DNP's or play the D league his first year.
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I bet most Blazers fans would expect Babbitt to get more minutes this season than Cunningham.

Ed O.
 
People will always apply revisionist logic to every draft. If someone pans out that is picked after EW, then they'll yell that we passed on them TWICE. Unlike last year's draft, there is no such obvious person.

"Worst draft" won't depend on who we draft as much as who we didn't.
 
BLAZER PROPHET said:
I think [Babbitt will] either get mostly DNP's or play the D league his first year.
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Heh. Good luck with that one.

Babbitt's one of the most NBA-ready prospects. At his age, if the Blazers thought he was only D-League material, he wouldn't have been drafted.
 
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