Politics This is new for me. So many so close to talking Sedition.

[MarAzul]

I might have been watching the longest and have never seen this before. So many walk too close to the line if not over it.

http://www.catholic.org/news/ae/celebrity/story.php?id=73361

 

[riverman]

I got a security alert from Windows 10 after the first two paragraphs of the link and it wouldn't load the rest....my computer doesn't like the article

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Catholic.org?

Fake Pews.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

When trump said "march on Washington, we can't let this stand! revolution!" after the 2012 election, was that sedition? Seems like he was trying to incite people to rebel against the authority of the state.

 

[e_blazer]

The definition of sedition is conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state. There may be some fringe lunatics that I'm not aware of, but I haven't seen anybody promoting rebellion. I have seen plenty of discussion of using the constitutional process of impeachment to throw Trump out of office. That is not sedition. In this instance, it may well be patriotism.

 

[MarAzul]

was that sedition?

Naw, more like beginning to run for election.
http://thelawdictionary.org/article/seditious-conduct-freedom-speech-three-things-know/

 

[MarAzul]

In this instance, it may well be patriotism.

Well, that make one of the two of us not a patriot.

I think the leaks and lack of cooperations by the supposedly non political fixed US government personnel are sedition, perhaps even treason.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-15/verge-treason-us-spies-withhold-intelligence-trump

The leaks to the media about Flynn, who committed no crime, were intended to disrupt the ability of the lawfully elected administration from being able to govern.
Using information obtained by special privilege granted only to the Federal Government, using techniques only lawfully available to the Federal government.
However, making this information generally available to the public is only lawfully done by the executives of the government. Leaking it to discredit the executive is sedition.

 

[barfo]

The leaks to the media about Flynn, who committed no crime

How do you know?

If there was nothing wrong with his behavior, why was he fired? Why did the AG warn Trump he could be blackmailed?

, were intended to disrupt the ability of the lawfully elected administration from being able to govern.
Using information obtained but special privilege granted only to the Federal Government, using techniques only lawfully available to the Federal government.
However, making this information generally available to the public is only lawfully done by the executives of the government. Leaking it to discredit the executive is sedition.

Don't you think it's a problem that information exists that discredits the executive? Does keeping that information secret really solve that problem?

barfo

 

[e_blazer]

Well, that make one of the two of us not a patriot.

I think the leaks and lack of cooperations by the supposedly non political fixed US government personnel are sedition, perhaps even treason.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-15/verge-treason-us-spies-withhold-intelligence-trump

The leaks to the media about Flynn, who committed no crime, were intended to disrupt the ability of the lawfully elected administration from being able to govern.
Using information obtained but special privilege granted only to the Federal Government, using techniques only lawfully available to the Federal government.
However, making this information generally available to the public is only lawfully done by the executives of the government. Leaking it to discredit the executive is sedition.

Just to be clear, I was referring to calls for impeachment, not any illegal activities. I'm no legal expert, but I would suspect that the folks that leaked the information about the phone calls between Flynn and Russia are in violation of federal laws, at a minimum. Flynn, himself, may be in violation of a law that prohibits private citizens from negotiating with foreign governments since it appears he was making those calls before Tump's inauguration and himself being confirmed as National Security Adviser. http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/14/opinions/did-flynn-break-law-pate-opinion/

 

[riverman]

intended to disrupt the ability of the lawfully elected administration from being able to govern.

I think you make the assumption that they actually have the ability to govern...which is a legitimate concern for the country

 

[MarAzul]

you make the assumption that they actually have the ability to govern

which is a legitimate concern for the country

Yes I do. And the seditious action is intended to imped their ability to govern, without regard to their actual ability.

It maybe a legitimate concern to some of your countrymen, but not all. I have no evidence they cannot do the job and I don't think you have much either. Concern yes, I acknowledge you have, but the noise level from your companions is far out of proportion with reason, in respect to a new administration. It is difficult for a band of rabble to commit sedition, but they can easily and unwisely support it
without much pain.

 

[MarAzul]

How do you know?

He is a free man without any charges pending.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

He is a free man without any charges pending.

So is Hillary Clinton. She's a man, baby. Not a man-baby. That would be trump.

 

[MarAzul]

So is Hillary Clinton. She's a man, baby. Not a man-baby. That would be trump.

Yes she is. But she is not President. Suspicion took it's toll.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[MarAzul]

Sly supporting sedition by false comparison. But lacks the weight to commit it.

 

[barfo]

Sly supporting sedition by false comparison. But lacks the weight to commit it.

What's false about the comparison?

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

What's false about the comparison?

barfo

Sigh! OK

Deep Throat was and FBI agent that actually knew about a crime that had been committed. The whole nation knew about the crime that had been committed we just did not know who did it. He leaked the story to the media via Bob Woodward

The fink that leak the story about Flynn knows of no crime nor does anyone else in the Nation. He leaked the story of Flynn talking to the Russian via the phone and that is all we fucking know. He use information gathered privy US Intel only and should never be released to the public unless the Executives authorize it. Flynn talking to the Russians is not illegal. MarAzul talking to the Russians is not illegal.
However, the media would like you to think it might be, just like Sly is doing comparing it to Watergate.

 

[barfo]

Sigh! OK

Deep Throat was and FBI agent that actually knew about a crime that had been committed. The whole nation knew about the crime that had been committed we just did not know who did it. He leaked the story to the media via Bob Woodward

The fink that leak the story about Flynn knows of no crime nor does anyone else in the Nation.

You don't know that.

There is a crime, by the way: the hack of the DNC computers. Which is actually quite a similar crime as the Watergate burglary, just updated for the modern era.

He leaked the story of Flynn talking to the Russian via the phone and that is all we fucking know.

There was a time when we knew very little about Watergate, too. Leaks helped us learn the full scope of the deal.

He use information gathered privy US Intel only and should never be released to the public unless the Executives authorize it. Flynn talking to the Russians is not illegal. MarAzul talking to the Russians is not illegal.
However, the media would like you to think it might by just like Sly is doing comparing it to Watergate.

And Nixon talking to Haldeman (or was it Erlichmann) was not illegal. Turns out what he talked about was illegal.

So, we won't know until we find out what Flynn talked about whether it was illegal. It's of some interest that he already has been caught lying about what he talked about, though.

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

You don't know that.

You do know that "they" know what the conversation was about. Obviously nothing that would be unlawful since no charges have been filed.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[MarAzul]

Seduction and Sedition are close only in spelling.

 

[jlprk]

There is a crime, by the way: the hack of the DNC computers. Which is actually quite a similar crime as the Watergate burglary, just updated for the modern era.fo

Another crime here, which the Justice Dept. may press, is that it's illegal for non-government individuals to negotiate with other countries, which Trump people were doing with Russia and other countries.

Like Reagan people did in the October Surprise, making offers to Iran (which they continued later...Oliver North, weapons to Nicaragua, etc.) to delay the release of the hostages until a minute after Reagan was sworn in. For months, no one could understand the delay, then suddenly on Jan. 20, 1981...they're out!

Anyway...Marzul, why do you philosophically oppose sedition? I thought that a big reason for gun ownership is for when gun owners band together to fight an oppressive government. I'm surprised that you want to imprison gun owners over this.

 

[barfo]

You do know that "they" know what the conversation was about. Obviously nothing that would be unlawful since no charges have been filed.

And everyone who does something unlawful is brought up on charges, and those who aren't charged are innocent?

I certainly hope you weren't one of the 'lock her up' people, then. That would be so hypocritical.

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

And everyone who does something unlawful is brought up on charges, and those who aren't charged are innocent?

I certainly hope you weren't one of the 'lock her up' people, then. That would be so hypocritical.

barfo

If they charge her and lock her ass up, I will carry on.

 

[MarAzul]

I thought that a big reason for gun ownership is for when gun owners band together to fight an oppressive government

You never saw me make this point. When ever I go into battle, I will know how to win, unless it is just forced on me in defense. The main reason to own guns is to protect yourself, with arms if necessary. No one else is charged with the responsibility at all times.

 

[MarAzul]

why do you philosophically oppose sedition?

Oh, I forgot the main question. I much prefer election, we just had one of those.

 

[barfo]

You do know that "they" know what the conversation was about. Obviously nothing that would be unlawful since no charges have been filed.

Hmm, just this minute the WaPo is out with a story that says Flynn lied to the FBI.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...ifi_push_breaking-news&utm_term=.22d117e3c84b

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Hmm, just this minute the WaPo is out with a story that says Flynn lied to the FBI.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...ifi_push_breaking-news&utm_term=.22d117e3c84b

Fake lies!

 

[MarAzul]

Is it the Bull Run water?