This is the Nets' chance to return to the Finals....

[Nitro1118]

Re: This is the Nets' chance to return to the Finals....

Well, to get to the point, if Kobe is 100% positive that he wants to be traded, then the Nets have as good of a chance as anybody to get Kobe IMO. How would this get done? Sign and trade with VC, whose contract will be roughly where Kobe's is. Add in a role player, a draft pick or 2, and IMO this is a great trade for both team. The Nets get a big upgrade from VC as we would now have a HUGE upgrade in consistency, 4th quarter play, and defense. And of course Kobe is also the best scorer we have seen since MJ. Lakers get a guy who will keep them from being at the very bottom of the league, he will sell tickets, and they get a draft pick and role player out of it as well.This is the best chance for Kidd ever to get a ring, and the Nets to win one before moving to Brooklyn. Kobe would definately be open to playing with Kidd, RJ, Krstic, and the Nets, who despite playing injured in playoffs and VC being horrible in 2nd round, got within 2 wins of the ECF.

 

[jkidd51524]

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Maybe throwing in Marcus Williams would make the trade more attractive. They get a young, good PG that they need. People thought that Kobe and Kidd would be together in February playing for the lakers, hell it might still happen but the other way around. I think Kobe would like this trade also too. He is playing with a very good surrounding group that involves Kidd, and who doesn't want to play with Kidd? It also puts him by where he grew up, PA.

 

[Universe]

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We still would lack to post play that has beaten the Lakers with Kobe Bryant so I doubt it would make a difference.Plus we don't need no Lindsay Lohan wannabe in here. :closedeyes:

 

[Nitro1118]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ May 30 2007, 06:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>We still would lack to post play that has beaten the Lakers with Kobe Bryant so I doubt it would make a difference.Plus we don't need no Lindsay Lohan wannabe in here. :closedeyes:</div>We didn't have Krstic this year...with Krstic back next year we will have a guy who was at about 16PPG this season before his injury. Hell, if Carter hadn't missed his FT's down the stretch of game 4 or had only like 11pts in game 6, it would have likely been our series to win against Cleveland. And that is without Kobe, Krstic, etc... Kobe improves all of the major areas the Nets need aside from another big man but the best player in the league more than makes up for that.

 

[The Answ3r]

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Man if you guys get Kobe, it'll take away our chances of getting the division title next year. I know you got a chance like anybody else, but I doubt he'll come to the Nets. There are other teams that have better offers than VC, and a couple of draft picks.

 

[Nitro1118]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (_Raptors_ @ May 30 2007, 07:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Man if you guys get Kobe, it'll take away our chances of getting the division title next year. I know you got a chance like anybody else, but I doubt he'll come to the Nets. There are other teams that have better offers than VC, and a couple of draft picks.</div>Like? I am pretty sure Kobe would prefer the Nets over a Gordon/Hinrich-less Bulls, and the Lakers will sell more tickets with VC/Williams over getting Hinrich/Gordon.

 

[The Answ3r]

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Well the Lakers will sell tickets, but I doubt they'll win games. I'm not saying it would be a bad deal, I just doubt it will happen, but that's just me.

 

[Nitro1118]

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They won't win as many games no matter who they go after. No one in the league can carry a team like Kobe has the past 2 years. BUT, Carter and Williams will initially fill the void better than Hinrich/Gordon, and they will also be easier to advertise and sell tickets for.

 

[primetime]

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The nets wont get Kobe, they really dont have enough to bait him out and still remain a good team. The Lakers might consider if Jason Kidd was apart of the deal but without him I doubt it. The Nets first final appearance was a fluke anyway, The east that year was at an alltime low. Any team in the eastern playoffs could have made it to the finals and got swept.

 

[jkidd51524]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ May 30 2007, 09:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The nets wont get Kobe, they really dont have enough to bait him out and still remain a good team. The Lakers might consider if Jason Kidd was apart of the deal but without him I doubt it. The Nets first final appearance was a fluke anyway, The east that year was at an alltime low. Any team in the eastern playoffs could have made it to the finals and got swept.</div>What about the second one if the first one was "Just a fluke".

 

[Nitro1118]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ May 30 2007, 08:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The nets wont get Kobe, they really dont have enough to bait him out and still remain a good team. The Lakers might consider if Jason Kidd was apart of the deal but without him I doubt it.</div>What team has more trade bait than NJ? As I explained before, VC/Williams/draft pick is a great option for both teams, and NJ will provide a better team than teams like the Bulls, Magic, Bobcats, etc... <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The Nets first final appearance was a fluke anyway, The east that year was at an alltime low. Any team in the eastern playoffs could have made it to the finals and got swept.</div>This is irrelevent. Without Kobe, the Nets are a 50+ win team when healthy and should have beat Cleveland this year. Kobe wouldn't have absolutely sucked and choked like VC did, which lost the series. Next year with Krstic back, and the addition of Kobe, this team will be back in the Finals and have a good shot to win it all.

 

[Rok]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Sign and trade with VC, whose contract will be roughly where Kobe's is.</div>Is VC getting a max deal? I just don't see it.

 

[Nitro1118]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ May 30 2007, 09:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Is VC getting a max deal? I just don't see it.</div>VC will be asking for up to $20 million a year from what I here. Kobe is earning about $18 million a year if I am correct.

 

[Rok]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>VC will be asking for up to $20 million a year from what I here. Kobe is earning about $18 million a year if I am correct.</div>Damn, that sucks for whoever shells out that contract(if a team does).

 

[ChuckTheD]

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The Lakers are building for the longterm. Why the hell would they want someone with a max contract who can't lead a team and is 2 years older then Kobe?

 

[Nitro1118]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ChuckTheD @ May 30 2007, 10:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Lakers are building for the longterm. Why the hell would they want someone with a max contract who can't lead a team and is 2 years older then Kobe?</div>Because he is a franchise type player and you guys won't be at the very bottom of the NBA. If you go for, say, Hinrich/Gordon, you WILL be at the bottom of the league and they won't be selling tickets like VC will. You also get a nice PG in Marcus Williams, and a draft pick. In another year with maybe a FA signing or trade(s), you could very well be back in the playoffs.

 

[MosDefinitely]

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I would take Hinrich/Gordon or Hinrich/Deng any day over VC/Williams.

 

[Rok]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I would take Hinrich/Gordon or Hinrich/Deng any day over VC/Williams.</div>Agree. For a team to even think of paying VC that much is ridiculous. Despite that being his asking price, he won't get it imo. And be pretty dumb for Lakers to even sign that kind of deal. They'll just be mediocre and with little flexibility. With Hinrich/Gordon, there is flexibility.

 

[Nitro1118]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ May 30 2007, 11:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Agree. For a team to even think of paying VC that much is ridiculous. Despite that being his asking price, he won't get it imo. And be pretty dumb for Lakers to even sign that kind of deal. They'll just be mediocre and with little flexibility. With Hinrich/Gordon, there is flexibility.</div>I agree with this, but I think that the Lakers are too proud of a franchise to be one of the 3-4 worst teams in the league...which is what they will be if they go the Bulls route. With VC they get a proven 25/6/5 guy who sells out arenas and will keep them competitive. Marcus Williams has also shown a lot of promise, and they get a draft pick out of it as well.

 

[Universe]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Like? I am pretty sure Kobe would prefer the Nets over a Gordon/Hinrich-less Bulls, and the Lakers will sell more tickets with VC/Williams over getting Hinrich/Gordon.</div>He would rather play in the city of Jordan than the city that can't sell out games. Maybe he would consider it when we move to Brooklyn.

 

[primetime]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ May 30 2007, 09:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What team has more trade bait than NJ? As I explained before, VC/Williams/draft pick is a great option for both teams, and NJ will provide a better team than teams like the Bulls, Magic, Bobcats, etc... This is irrelevent. Without Kobe, the Nets are a 50+ win team when healthy and should have beat Cleveland this year. Kobe wouldn't have absolutely sucked and choked like VC did, which lost the series. Next year with Krstic back, and the addition of Kobe, this team will be back in the Finals and have a good shot to win it all.</div>Why do the Lakers want VC when they already have Kobe(whose much better)?Marcus Williams(a pg who averaged 2ppg in the playoffs) and a pick in the middle of the draft when they could get alot more for Kobe then that?The Lakers would be a worse team after that deal if anything. They would get a young pg but how many years does VC have left? That trade would set them back further then shaq deal did.

 

[PN13]

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you guys cant say who will and will not get Kobe. Not trading for Kidd or Garnett to help him out was what made him mad in the first place. he wants to play with another superstar, so I think if you do get kobe, this is what you'll have to doSign and Trade-Vince Carter,Jason Collins1st round pick, cash or Marcus Williamsfor KobeSmush Parkerfuture second round player.that sounds far-fetched, but its possible

 

[Rok]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I agree with this, but I think that the Lakers are too proud of a franchise to be one of the 3-4 worst teams in the league...which is what they will be if they go the Bulls route. With VC they get a proven 25/6/5 guy who sells out arenas and will keep them competitive.</div>I don't see the VC deal making them that much more competitive than the Bulls deal. VC is also not one to have played a full season. So banking on him with his age, a contract like that would be death for the Lakers franchise. And if they are too proud, they should not do that deal.

 

[Nitro1118]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ May 31 2007, 07:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why do the Lakers want VC when they already have Kobe(whose much better)?Marcus Williams(a pg who averaged 2ppg in the playoffs) and a pick in the middle of the draft when they could get alot more for Kobe then that?The Lakers would be a worse team after that deal if anything. They would get a young pg but how many years does VC have left? That trade would set them back further then shaq deal did.</div>No matter who they trade Kobe for you will not get equal value. This trade would keep them competitive, give them a nice PG in Williams and a draft pick. The Chicago deal gives them more youth, but they would be crap in the near future and IMO neither Hinrich or Gordon have superstar potential. Also remember Kobe can pick and choose what trade he wants to get done as long as the Lakers are on board...the Nets situation would give them a better shot at a ring IMO.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I don't see the VC deal making them that much more competitive than the Bulls deal. VC is also not one to have played a full season. So banking on him with his age, a contract like that would be death for the Lakers franchise. And if they are too proud, they should not do that deal.</div>The only reason the Lakers have stayed competitive the past 2 years is Kobe's scoring. Neither Hinrich and Gordon are consistent scorers. VC isn't as consistent as Kobe, but he will give you the 25-27PPG, grab 6-7RPG, and dish out a few assists as well. And while Marcus Williams is no Kirk Hinrich, he still has a lot of upside and had some GREAT games for the Nets.VC has been the most reliable player on this Nets roster since joining us. Since leaving Toronto he has missed a total of maybe 6-10 games.If Kobe truly wants out, they will need to trade him. The rebuilding process will need to start as soon as possible, and you don't want an unhappy star who has little respect for manangement on your team.

 

[primetime]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ May 31 2007, 04:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No matter who they trade Kobe for you will not get equal value. This trade would keep them competitive, give them a nice PG in Williams and a draft pick. The Chicago deal gives them more youth, but they would be crap in the near future and IMO neither Hinrich or Gordon have superstar potential. Also remember Kobe can pick and choose what trade he wants to get done as long as the Lakers are on board...the Nets situation would give them a better shot at a ring IMO.The only reason the Lakers have stayed competitive the past 2 years is Kobe's scoring. Neither Hinrich and Gordon are consistent scorers. VC isn't as consistent as Kobe, but he will give you the 25-27PPG, grab 6-7RPG, and dish out a few assists as well. And while Marcus Williams is no Kirk Hinrich, he still has a lot of upside and had some GREAT games for the Nets.VC has been the most reliable player on this Nets roster since joining us. Since leaving Toronto he has missed a total of maybe 6-10 games.If Kobe truly wants out, they will need to trade him. The rebuilding process will need to start as soon as possible, and you don't want an unhappy star who has little respect for manangement on your team.</div>Gordon isnt a consistent scorer? Maybe in his rookie season but Gordon this year proved he could score night in and night out scoring over 20 per game. I also dont see Hinrich or Gordon as ''Superstars'' but both have the ability to become allstars. Your saying you'd rather have a SG whose done nothing but score points his entire career whose entering his mid-30s soon and a pg who averaged 2 ppg during the playoffs then the main two players who took out the defending nba champion heat? When the Bulls start winning championships soon remember how good a pair VC/Williams is.

 

[jkidd51524]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ May 31 2007, 09:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Gordon isn't a consistent scorer? Maybe in his rookie season but Gordon this year proved he could score night in and night out scoring over 20 per game. I also dont see Hinrich or Gordon as ''Superstars'' but both have the ability to become allstars. Your saying you'd rather have a SG whose done nothing but score points his entire career whose entering his mid-30s soon and a pg who averaged 2 ppg during the playoffs then the main two players who took out the defending nba champion heat? When the Bulls start winning championships soon remember how good a pair VC/Williams is.</div><span style="font-family:Courier New">Carter does a lot more then score. He can rebound very well and is also a very underrated passer. Again you say Gordon wasn't a very consistent scorer in his rookie season, but Williams is a rookie. He had a very hard post season, yeah. But he is going to continue to become a very good PG in this league. You can't judge how he is going to be in the future by his first postseason.</span>

 

[Rok]

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Honestly Nitro, the only reason this trade even sounds competent on your viewpoint is your a Nets fan. The trade is not good for the Lakers. VC led Lakers team in the West is not going to have a large margin of victories against a Hinrich/Gordon/Odom team in the West. The only difference is the flexibility Lakers have with the Bulls trade opposed to the Nets one. It's far better and smarter for a proud Lakers franchise to pass and never do the Nets one.

 

[Nitro1118]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ May 31 2007, 08:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Gordon isnt a consistent scorer? Maybe in his rookie season but Gordon this year proved he could score night in and night out scoring over 20 per game. I also dont see Hinrich or Gordon as ''Superstars'' but both have the ability to become allstars. Your saying you'd rather have a SG whose done nothing but score points his entire career whose entering his mid-30s soon and a pg who averaged 2 ppg during the playoffs then the main two players who took out the defending nba champion heat? When the Bulls start winning championships soon remember how good a pair VC/Williams is.</div>Yes, he scores 20PPG but it is a very inconsistent 20PPG. He is not the kind of guy who you can depend on to get those 20 points one game, then the very next get around 20. He is the kind of guy who will go for 30, then the next night 12.Carter does WAY more than score. He grabs 6-7RPG, gets you around 5APG, can play the point when PG is sitting down, etc...If the BUlls start winning championships, Hinrich and Gordon will be role players...the 3rd and 4th best players on their teams.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Honestly Nitro, the only reason this trade even sounds competent on your viewpoint is your a Nets fan. The trade is not good for the Lakers. VC led Lakers team in the West is not going to have a large margin of victories against a Hinrich/Gordon/Odom team in the West. The only difference is the flexibility Lakers have with the Bulls trade opposed to the Nets one. It's far better and smarter for a proud Lakers franchise to pass and never do the Nets one.</div>I agree the Bulls trade is smarter and better for the future, but at the same time the Nets trade gives Kobe a much better (IMO) chance to win, Lakers wouldn't be in the shitter which they would with the Bulls trade, and they would still be able to advertise the team and sell out arenas with VC.

 

[primetime]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Jun 1 2007, 12:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yes, he scores 20PPG but it is a very inconsistent 20PPG. He is not the kind of guy who you can depend on to get those 20 points one game, then the very next get around 20. He is the kind of guy who will go for 30, then the next night 12.Carter does WAY more than score. He grabs 6-7RPG, gets you around 5APG, can play the point when PG is sitting down, etc...If the BUlls start winning championships, Hinrich and Gordon will be role players...the 3rd and 4th best players on their teams.I agree the Bulls trade is smarter and better for the future, but at the same time the Nets trade gives Kobe a much better (IMO) chance to win, Lakers wouldn't be in the shitter which they would with the Bulls trade, and they would still be able to advertise the team and sell out arenas with VC.</div>Ben Gordon cant give a consistent 20 ppg? doesn't the whole stat that says 20 ppg mean he can score points every night since thats exactly what he did. Lets look at January(one of the biggest months for the bulls) Date OPP Result MIN FGM FGA FG% 3PM 3PA 3PT% FTM FTA FT% OFF DEF TOT ASST STL BLK TO PF PTSJan 2 Pho L 96-97 37 13 25 .520 2 5 .400 13 14 .929 0 3 3 4 1 1 3 5 41Jan 5 @NJ L 86-91 34 7 17 .412 1 6 .167 0 0 .000 0 0 0 3 0 0 6 5 15Jan 6 Det W 106-89 32 8 18 .444 3 6 .500 4 6 .667 0 3 3 4 3 0 4 3 23Jan 8 Hou L 77-84 35 8 16 .500 2 4 .500 6 7 .857 1 3 4 5 1 0 1 1 24Jan 10 @Was L 103-113 35 7 16 .438 5 6 .833 6 6 1.000 0 5 5 3 0 0 3 3 25Jan 11 NJ L 83-86 37 8 13 .615 5 6 .833 2 2 1.000 1 2 3 0 1 1 1 3 23Jan 13 Mem W 111-66 27 8 10 .800 4 6 .667 4 4 1.000 0 2 2 6 0 0 2 1 24Jan 15 SA W 99-87 40 9 18 .500 1 5 .200 1 2 .500 1 1 2 3 0 0 4 3 20Jan 17 @mil W 99-90 37 8 17 .471 2 6 .333 2 4 .500 0 1 1 6 2 0 3 3 20Jan 20 Uta L 85-95 40 7 20 .350 0 4 .000 9 11 .818 1 3 4 6 1 1 4 4 23Jan 22 @Ind L 91-98 37 11 18 .611 3 5 .600 6 7 .857 2 2 4 2 1 0 4 5 31Jan 23 Atl W 94-86 31 5 13 .385 0 2 .000 2 2 1.000 0 1 1 5 0 0 5 3 12Jan 25 Dal W 96-85 44 12 23 .522 0 1 .000 6 6 1.000 0 6 6 5 2 0 3 1 30Jan 27 Mia W 100-97 38 11 17 .647 2 3 .667 10 13 .769 1 5 6 7 1 0 1 2 34Jan 31 @LAC L 98-110 33 5 15 .333 0 1 .000 7 8 .875 0 4 4 4 0 1 5 3 17Not to mention Vince Carter only scores 2 more ppg and hes 30. I'd much rather have a young kid who wins sixth man of the year his rookie season, then in his 3rd season takes apart the defending champs. The nets beat who again in the playoffs? Oh yeah the raptors... and before that they've lost how many times in the first round? Ben Gordon has more potential and hes been a winner. Not a not so clutch aging sg. If the Lakers got Hinrich/Gordon they would still be a playoff team. Lakers fans want to see them win games, not sell out arenas(by winning you sell out arenas anyway.) BTW if Vince Carter sells so much tickets why are the nets relocating? :no3:

 

[Rok]

Re: This is the Nets' chance to return to the Finals....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I agree the Bulls trade is smarter and better for the future, but at the same time the Nets trade gives Kobe a much better (IMO) chance to win, Lakers wouldn't be in the shitter which they would with the Bulls trade, and they would still be able to advertise the team and sell out arenas with VC.</div>A chance to win what? A playoff berth? I really doubt it, they would be worse than the current Lakers with VC instead of Kobe. And Lakers were 7th in a tough Western conference that should mightily improve this season. Can't see them winning anything but some lottery balls and being stuck with a overpaid star.