This is what actual corruption looks like...

[barfo]

For those who haven't been paying attention:

1) Florida residents complain to the state of Florida about being bilked by Trump University
2) Florida AG's office announces investigation
3) Florida's AG, Pam Bondi, solicits a $25,000 campaign contribution from Donald Trump
4) Trump provides $25,000 campaign contribution via the Trump Foundation
5) Bondi announces that Florida will not pursue the Trump U. case
6) Trump Foundation reports the $25,000 to the IRS as a donation to a Kansas charity

Of course, maybe all this is just coincidence?

barfo

 

[e_blazer]

For those who haven't been paying attention:

1) Florida residents complain to the state of Florida about being bilked by Trump University
2) Florida AG's office announces investigation
3) Florida's AG, Pam Bondi, solicits a $25,000 campaign contribution from Donald Trump
4) Trump provides $25,000 campaign contribution via the Trump Foundation
5) Bondi announces that Florida will not pursue the Trump U. case
6) Trump Foundation reports the $25,000 to the IRS as a donation to a Kansas charity

Of course, maybe all this is just coincidence?

barfo

Trump sucks, no argument from me on that.

And so does Hillary.

 

[jlprk]

Why would you say that. Can you come up with a similar sequence of events for a Hillary donation?

 

[crandc]

But e_blazer, how much have you heard about this?

The AP headline that half the people with whom Hillary Clinton met as secretary of state were donors went viral. It is totally believed as fact. But it's not. AP admitted deep in the story they eliminated 90% of the people with whom Clinton met. Any scientist who threw out 90% of the data would be fired. Yet the supposed corruption of the Clinton Foundation is now "fact". Hillary Clinton released a medical report showing nothing beyond the creaks anyone gets at a certain age. Trump released a cheerleader. But now Clinton's health is in question due to a store literally invented out of thin air. Trump has been sued over and over for fraud. He imported undocumented, Polish workers to do construction, paid below minimum wage, did not provide safety equipment, imported models who were undocumented, did not pay them, stiffed contractors, some of whom went out of business as a result, ran a scam university, yet he is the truth teller.

I'm not the only one to see shades of 2000. Bush, the product of three generations of wealth and privilege, was a "regular guy". Gore, from a modest background, was "phony snob". Gore would say something essentially correct but get a detail wrong and he was "deceptive". Bush would say something flat out provably wrong and he'd get a pass. It became "fact" that Gore claimed to have invented the internet although he never said that.

You'd think Trump was running for President unopposed; news stations have become Trump TV, everything he does is front page. Clinton has held campaign events, given policy speeches, issued detailed policy statements, given interviews, but her only headlines are emails and the supposedly "corrupt" Clinton foundation, which provides nearly 100% of the anti-retrovirals to people with AIDS in Africa. Sure, shut it down! Let them die!

 

[e_blazer]

Why would you say that. Can you come up with a similar sequence of events for a Hillary donation?

First, I only said that Hillary sucks as a candidate. While there's a hell of a lot of smoke relating to the Clinton Foundation, it's going to be years, at best, before anyone can begin to untangle the web of financial moves associated with what did or did not go on there and any personal gain the Clintons may have had from it. My main problem with Hillary is the documented history of lies and deceitfulness surrounding her.

Second, this story about Trump is recent and the facts aren't out yet. I have no idea if it's true, but wouldn't be at all surprised if it is. Regardless, I can't stand Trump for multiple reasons and the man belongs nowhere near the White House.

 

[e_blazer]

But e_blazer, how much have you heard about this?

The AP headline that half the people with whom Hillary Clinton met as secretary of state were donors went viral. It is totally believed as fact. But it's not. AP admitted deep in the story they eliminated 90% of the people with whom Clinton met. Any scientist who threw out 90% of the data would be fired. Yet the supposed corruption of the Clinton Foundation is now "fact". Hillary Clinton released a medical report showing nothing beyond the creaks anyone gets at a certain age. Trump released a cheerleader. But now Clinton's health is in question due to a store literally invented out of thin air. Trump has been sued over and over for fraud. He imported undocumented, Polish workers to do construction, paid below minimum wage, did not provide safety equipment, imported models who were undocumented, did not pay them, stiffed contractors, some of whom went out of business as a result, ran a scam university, yet he is the truth teller.

I'm not the only one to see shades of 2000. Bush, the product of three generations of wealth and privilege, was a "regular guy". Gore, from a modest background, was "phony snob". Gore would say something essentially correct but get a detail wrong and he was "deceptive". Bush would say something flat out provably wrong and he'd get a pass. It became "fact" that Gore claimed to have invented the internet although he never said that.

You'd think Trump was running for President unopposed; news stations have become Trump TV, everything he does is front page. Clinton has held campaign events, given policy speeches, issued detailed policy statements, given interviews, but her only headlines are emails and the supposedly "corrupt" Clinton foundation, which provides nearly 100% of the anti-retrovirals to people with AIDS in Africa. Sure, shut it down! Let them die!

The AP approach seems reasonable to me, crandc. The purpose of the analysis was to determine if there was a connection between donations to the Clinton Foundation and obtaining access to the Secretary of State. If there was, it certainly would violate the spirit and the letter of her agreement with the Obama Administration to keep separation between the charity and her office. Eliminating the normal day-to-day business appointments and focussing on the discretionary appointments on her schedule, is absolutely reasonable. She only had so many openings to meet with people not involved in the normal operations of her office. The AP report said that about half of those openings went to people who just so happened to have made a donation to the Clinton Foundation. I don't think there's enough there yet to document corruption, but it certainly is highly suspicious.

As I said in my response to jlprk, it's Hillary's history of duplicity that disqualifies her from earning my vote. I'm not going to rehash all of the lengthy Clinton history. Just the email mess is enough to disqualify her, IMHO. Setting up a private email server in her home, at considerable expense and difficulty, can only, in my view, be explained by wanting to have direct control over what information was available to the public and other entities under FOIA requests. We now know as fact that she deleted over half of the contents of that server without any supervision except for her own attorneys, saying that they were simply personal emails relating to things like yoga and wedding-planning. We know that the server's contents were attempted to be destroyed with professional software before turning it over to the FBI. We know she had her staff take hammers to Blackberries to try to destroy their contents. We know that she offered up ever-changing stories about what classified information may have been inappropriately transmitted, stored, and made available to people without clearance. We know from the FBI investigations that all of her stories about classified documents were proven to have been untruthful. We know that thousands of the deleted emails that the FBI was able to recover from the server were, in fact, business-related. Some were classified documents. Some were related to Benghazi.

I can understand people saying that they're voting for Hillary as the lesser of two evils and/or that they're voting for her because of policy positions. Fine, but I think there should at least be acknowledgement that this candidate has a demonstrated propensity to mislead the American people by telling lies and hiding information from view.

Personally, I'm voting for Johnson as the least gag-inducing candidate remaining. I live in Oregon, one of the bluest of the blue states, so it really doesn't matter what I do with my vote. Barring some October surprise that's far more damaging than anything we've seen yet, Hillary will get all of the electoral votes from this state. She'll likely win the election and things will continue along pretty much the way they have for the past 7.5 years. Well, except for the probability that the emails/Clinton Foundation mess will continue to haunt her and may lead to an attempt to impeach her.

I just think that it's horribly sad that, with all of the wonderful, talented, and highly-qualified women available in this country, it's likely to be someone as flawed as Hillary to be the first woman president.

 

[blue32]

Looks like a great negotiation deal to me.

 

[MARIS61]

For those who haven't been paying attention:

1) Florida residents complain to the state of Florida about being bilked by Trump University
2) Florida AG's office announces investigation
3) Florida's AG, Pam Bondi, solicits a $25,000 campaign contribution from Donald Trump
4) Trump provides $25,000 campaign contribution via the Trump Foundation
5) Bondi announces that Florida will not pursue the Trump U. case
6) Trump Foundation reports the $25,000 to the IRS as a donation to a Kansas charity

Of course, maybe all this is just coincidence?

barfo

Or maybe your sources are playing you?

 

[MARIS61]

Why would you say that. Can you come up with a similar sequence of events for a Hillary donation?

Judicial Watch has, and they have presented the evidence in court.

No University involved, just a bogus charity operating as a money-launderer for the Clinton Pay for Influence/Pay for State Secrets Cartel.

I don't give a shit about some idiot who wanted Trump to "make me smart".

I am more concerned about our next President owing $50,000,000 in favors to Arab states who sponsor anti-US terrorism on a massive scale.

I am more concerned that the DNC staffer who leaked to Wikileaks was murdered for it, along with Assange's lawyer.

 

[jlprk]

How about corruption due to owing a real $25 million cash legal debt, instead of possibly owing psychological gratitude for $50 million in contributions to a charity.

http://gawker.com/under-governor-chris-christie-new-jersey-forgave-25-m-1785392641

Gawker was put out of business 2 weeks ago by a political billionaire, Peter Thiel. It has dozens of investigative articles just like that one. Read all you can while they're still online.

I am more concerned that the DNC staffer who leaked to Wikileaks was murdered for it, along with Assange's lawyer.

I agree with you. The State Dept. is at war with Assange and Snowden.

 

[Denny Crane]

For those who haven't been paying attention:

1) Florida residents complain to the state of Florida about being bilked by Trump University
2) Florida AG's office announces investigation
3) Florida's AG, Pam Bondi, solicits a $25,000 campaign contribution from Donald Trump
4) Trump provides $25,000 campaign contribution via the Trump Foundation
5) Bondi announces that Florida will not pursue the Trump U. case
6) Trump Foundation reports the $25,000 to the IRS as a donation to a Kansas charity

Of course, maybe all this is just coincidence?

barfo

You wouldn't know actual corruption if it jumped out of a hole and grabbed you by the nutsack.

 

[Denny Crane]

But e_blazer, how much have you heard about this?

The AP headline that half the people with whom Hillary Clinton met as secretary of state were donors went viral. It is totally believed as fact. But it's not. AP admitted deep in the story they eliminated 90% of the people with whom Clinton met. Any scientist who threw out 90% of the data would be fired. Yet the supposed corruption of the Clinton Foundation is now "fact". Hillary Clinton released a medical report showing nothing beyond the creaks anyone gets at a certain age. Trump released a cheerleader. But now Clinton's health is in question due to a store literally invented out of thin air. Trump has been sued over and over for fraud. He imported undocumented, Polish workers to do construction, paid below minimum wage, did not provide safety equipment, imported models who were undocumented, did not pay them, stiffed contractors, some of whom went out of business as a result, ran a scam university, yet he is the truth teller.

I'm not the only one to see shades of 2000. Bush, the product of three generations of wealth and privilege, was a "regular guy". Gore, from a modest background, was "phony snob". Gore would say something essentially correct but get a detail wrong and he was "deceptive". Bush would say something flat out provably wrong and he'd get a pass. It became "fact" that Gore claimed to have invented the internet although he never said that.

You'd think Trump was running for President unopposed; news stations have become Trump TV, everything he does is front page. Clinton has held campaign events, given policy speeches, issued detailed policy statements, given interviews, but her only headlines are emails and the supposedly "corrupt" Clinton foundation, which provides nearly 100% of the anti-retrovirals to people with AIDS in Africa. Sure, shut it down! Let them die!

It's 24/7 on CNN.

 

[Denny Crane]

First, I only said that Hillary sucks as a candidate. While there's a hell of a lot of smoke relating to the Clinton Foundation, it's going to be years, at best, before anyone can begin to untangle the web of financial moves associated with what did or did not go on there and any personal gain the Clintons may have had from it. My main problem with Hillary is the documented history of lies and deceitfulness surrounding her.

Second, this story about Trump is recent and the facts aren't out yet. I have no idea if it's true, but wouldn't be at all surprised if it is. Regardless, I can't stand Trump for multiple reasons and the man belongs nowhere near the White House.

If the foundation bought a 747 and flew the Clintons around the world, not at their expense, it's real money.

 

[Denny Crane]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ia-has-a-donald-j-trump-sized-blind-spot.html

 

[Denny Crane]

This is what real corruption looks like:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/hillary-clinton-emails-state-foundation-226897

Ethicists: Clinton team violated ‘spirit’ of pledge
Emails suggest aides were catering to Clinton foundation donors.


“For the duration of my appointment as Secretary if I am confirmed, I will not participate personally and substantially in any particular matter involving specific parties in which The William J. Clinton Foundation (or the Clinton Global Initiative) is a party or represents a party, unless I am first authorized to participate,” Clinton wrote in a Jan. 5, 2009, letter to State Department Designated Agency Ethics Official James H. Thessin.

She was the only one to sign that letter, but a December 2008 “memo of understanding” outlining ethics protocols for the foundation was signed by Clinton Foundation CEO Bruce Lindsey and Valerie Jarrett, a key adviser to President Barack Obama. Clinton lawyer David Kendall signed a separate Jan. 5, 2009, letter outlining “voluntary steps ... President Clinton intends to take to assist Senator Clinton to avoid even the appearance of a conflict of interest with her duties as Secretary of State.”

 

[Denny Crane]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/...s-is-Clear-Quid-Pro-Quo-Donations-for-Weapons

In the 2010 Human Rights Report, Clinton’s State Department inveighed against Algeria’s government for imposing “restrictions on freedom of assembly and association” tolerating “arbitrary killing,” “widespread corruption,” and a “lack of judicial independence.” The report said the Algerian government “used security grounds to constrain freedom of expression and movement.”

That year, the Algerian government donated $500,000 to the Clinton Foundation and its lobbyists met with the State Department officials who oversee enforcement of human rights policies. Clinton’s State Department the next year approved a one-year 70 percent increase in military export authorizations to the country. The increase included authorizations of almost 50,000 items classified as “toxicological agents, including chemical agents, biological agents and associated equipment” after the State Department did not authorize the export of any of such items to Algeria in the prior year.

During Clinton’s tenure, the State Department authorized at least $2.4 billion of direct military hardware and services sales to Algeria -- nearly triple such authorizations over the last full fiscal years during the Bush administration. The Clinton Foundation did not disclose Algeria’s donation until this year -- a violation of the ethics agreement it entered into with the Obama administration.

 

[stampedehero]

Trump sucks, no argument from me on that.

And so does Hillary.

Lets vote for Gary Johnson (Libertarian) In the least, he governed a State rather than generating career fails from the likes of T and C .

 

[crandc]

I won't vote for Gary Johnson. I don't agree with him.

Meanwhile, on topic...
The top consumer affairs enforcement person (sorry, can't remember exact title) in Texas also was planning to bring charges against Trump University. He was overruled. He said it was the first time that ever happened. The Attorney General told him not to even discuss it. Trump had given a large donation to Texas Governor Greg Abbott's campaign. (Side note, this same Attorney General is the one who sought out a school district to challenge transgender access, picked the one in a county with the most antigay judge to be the test case. Fraud doesn't merit legal action, transgender kids peeing does.) Yesterday Trump said the "University" would be re-started in Texas because "we won'".

Pam Bondi, the Florida Attorney General who dropped the suit against Trump University after the illegal campaign contributions, said she had only one complaint against the fake university. Journalists who investigated found 8000 pages of documentation from people who lost their homes and life savings.

But the Wall Street Journal has found an OUTRAGE, AN OUTRAGE I TELL YOU scandal about Hillary Clinton. Seems she, while Secretary of State, attended a social function where the guests included donors to the Clinton Global Initiative. OUTRAGE I TELL YOU. SCANDAL!!

The social function was a birthday party for Bill Clinton. Only Hillary Clinton could be accused of something nefarious for attending her spouse's birthday party.

The source of the OUTRAGE was David Bossie of Citizens United, now a top Trump campaign official. It was Bossie who, just before Bill Clinton was nominated in 1992, broke a story about a young pregnant woman who committed suicide after Bill Clinton impregnated and abandoned her. Bossie sorted through the family's garbage, peeked in their windows, pounded on the door demanding they show him the woman's suicide note. When the woman's father had a stroke, Bossie broke into the hospital room demanding they answer questions about their daughter's suicide. President George H.W. Bush called him the lowest form of life. The story was a fake. The woman had indeed killed herself but had never met Bill Clinton and had no connection to him; Bossie made it up out of thin air. He declared his mission in life was to take down Bill and especially Hillary Clinton. He was hired as an investigator by Congressman Dan Burton who, among other things, spent tens of thousands of dollars to investigate the Clintons' holiday card list. Bossie was fired after Dan Rather exposed him on national TV falsifying data to make it appear Hillary Clinton was guilty of something when the investigation showed the opposite. After promoting the impeachment of Bill Clinton, Congressman Burton was later revealed to have a kept mistress and second family; he left Congress. Bossie was hired as investigator several times and fired for falisfication. He showed Bush to be correct as no consideration of decency or fact would restrain him. He was hired by the Trump campaign to be the hit man against Hillary Clinton. THAT is the source for the Wall Street Journal OUTRAGE that Hillary (gasp!) attended her husband's birthday party.

Some of us would really like a campaign about issues.

 

[Denny Crane]

I won't vote for Gary Johnson. I don't agree with him.

Meanwhile, on topic...
The top consumer affairs enforcement person (sorry, can't remember exact title) in Texas also was planning to bring charges against Trump University. He was overruled. He said it was the first time that ever happened. The Attorney General told him not to even discuss it. Trump had given a large donation to Texas Governor Greg Abbott's campaign. (Side note, this same Attorney General is the one who sought out a school district to challenge transgender access, picked the one in a county with the most antigay judge to be the test case. Fraud doesn't merit legal action, transgender kids peeing does.) Yesterday Trump said the "University" would be re-started in Texas because "we won'".

Pam Bondi, the Florida Attorney General who dropped the suit against Trump University after the illegal campaign contributions, said she had only one complaint against the fake university. Journalists who investigated found 8000 pages of documentation from people who lost their homes and life savings.

But the Wall Street Journal has found an OUTRAGE, AN OUTRAGE I TELL YOU scandal about Hillary Clinton. Seems she, while Secretary of State, attended a social function where the guests included donors to the Clinton Global Initiative. OUTRAGE I TELL YOU. SCANDAL!!

The social function was a birthday party for Bill Clinton. Only Hillary Clinton could be accused of something nefarious for attending her spouse's birthday party.

The source of the OUTRAGE was David Bossie of Citizens United, now a top Trump campaign official. It was Bossie who, just before Bill Clinton was nominated in 1992, broke a story about a young pregnant woman who committed suicide after Bill Clinton impregnated and abandoned her. Bossie sorted through the family's garbage, peeked in their windows, pounded on the door demanding they show him the woman's suicide note. When the woman's father had a stroke, Bossie broke into the hospital room demanding they answer questions about their daughter's suicide. President George H.W. Bush called him the lowest form of life. The story was a fake. The woman had indeed killed herself but had never met Bill Clinton and had no connection to him; Bossie made it up out of thin air. He declared his mission in life was to take down Bill and especially Hillary Clinton. He was hired as an investigator by Congressman Dan Burton who, among other things, spent tens of thousands of dollars to investigate the Clintons' holiday card list. Bossie was fired after Dan Rather exposed him on national TV falsifying data to make it appear Hillary Clinton was guilty of something when the investigation showed the opposite. After promoting the impeachment of Bill Clinton, Congressman Burton was later revealed to have a kept mistress and second family; he left Congress. Bossie was hired as investigator several times and fired for falisfication. He showed Bush to be correct as no consideration of decency or fact would restrain him. He was hired by the Trump campaign to be the hit man against Hillary Clinton. THAT is the source for the Wall Street Journal OUTRAGE that Hillary (gasp!) attended her husband's birthday party.

Some of us would really like a campaign about issues.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/...s-is-Clear-Quid-Pro-Quo-Donations-for-Weapons

In the 2010 Human Rights Report, Clinton’s State Department inveighed against Algeria’s government for imposing “restrictions on freedom of assembly and association” tolerating “arbitrary killing,” “widespread corruption,” and a “lack of judicial independence.” The report said the Algerian government “used security grounds to constrain freedom of expression and movement.”

That year, the Algerian government donated $500,000 to the Clinton Foundation and its lobbyists met with the State Department officials who oversee enforcement of human rights policies. Clinton’s State Department the next year approved a one-year 70 percent increase in military export authorizations to the country. The increase included authorizations of almost 50,000 items classified as “toxicological agents, including chemical agents, biological agents and associated equipment” after the State Department did not authorize the export of any of such items to Algeria in the prior year.

During Clinton’s tenure, the State Department authorized at least $2.4 billion of direct military hardware and services sales to Algeria -- nearly triple such authorizations over the last full fiscal years during the Bush administration. The Clinton Foundation did not disclose Algeria’s donation until this year -- a violation of the ethics agreement it entered into with the Obama administration.

 

[MarAzul]

Heh! I will vote for Trump. I can easily imagine some did not get rich by attending Trump U.

He hasn't let any of our people die by deigning then assistance requested or shrugging when the attack was a fact. That is a hell of a big one for me.
Voting for a President because he supports your weed is ridiculous. Leave that to the States, I don't even want to hear
what the President thinks on the issue.

 

[riverman]

Judicial Watch has, and they have presented the evidence in court.

No University involved, just a bogus charity operating as a money-launderer for the Clinton Pay for Influence/Pay for State Secrets Cartel.

I don't give a shit about some idiot who wanted Trump to "make me smart".

I am more concerned about our next President owing $50,000,000 in favors to Arab states who sponsor anti-US terrorism on a massive scale.

I am more concerned that the DNC staffer who leaked to Wikileaks was murdered for it, along with Assange's lawyer.

I understand not liking Hillary but you're wrong about the Clinton Foundation being mired in debt to anybody...they have saved almost 7 million AIDs victims worldwide by providing medications...30 mill to Haiti after the disaster...read the real article about what they do and realize, it's not a private initiative that is lining Clinton's bank account.....they've actually done a lot of good in the world...the link is 2013 info
http://www.clintonfoundation.org/files/2013year-endreport.pdf
Hardly what I'd call a bogus charity...George Bush even supports it. Bill Gates has done a lot of charity work through them. A lot of wealthy folks around the world have joined the effort. To me this is like saying Habitat for Humanity is corrupt...I don't buy the storyline that is to me, clearly spin for the sole reason of discrediting the dems....and I'm not voting for her either..I just think all the info should be considered and until someone is charged with a murder, they are innocent in our system

 

[Denny Crane]

I understand not liking Hillary but you're wrong about the Clinton Foundation being mired in debt to anybody...they have saved almost 7 million AIDs victims worldwide by providing medications...30 mill to Haiti after the disaster...read the real article about what they do and realize, it's not a private initiative that is lining Clinton's bank account.....they've actually done a lot of good in the world...the link is 2013 info
http://www.clintonfoundation.org/files/2013year-endreport.pdf
Hardly what I'd call a bogus charity...George Bush even supports it. Bill Gates has done a lot of charity work through them. A lot of wealthy folks around the world have joined the effort. To me this is like saying Habitat for Humanity is corrupt...I don't buy the storyline that is to me, clearly spin for the sole reason of discrediting the dems....and I'm not voting for her either..I just think all the info should be considered and until someone is charged with a murder, they are innocent in our system

Talking points.

The charity spent $25M on travel last year. If any of that paid for Bill and Hiliar to travel, it's money they didn't have to spend themselves. It did line their pockets if that were the only questionable activity.

But it's not the only questionable activity. The Clintons were paid enormous sums for speaking fees to those who both donated to the charity and received favorable treatment by the State Dept during Hiliar's tenure there.

The whole thing stinks because it's rotten to the core.

 

[riverman]

Talking points.

The charity spent $25M on travel last year. If any of that paid for Bill and Hiliar to travel, it's money they didn't have to spend themselves. It did line their pockets if that were the only questionable activity.

But it's not the only questionable activity. The Clintons were paid enormous sums for speaking fees to those who both donated to the charity and received favorable treatment by the State Dept during Hiliar's tenure there.

The whole thing stinks because it's rotten to the core.

Famous people all over the globe get paid well for speaking appearances...that's not news. If Bill Gates donates to a charity and hires them to speak...it's his choice...he can afford it. As to receiving favorable treatment by the State Dept....when you're a career politician married to a two term ex president, have governed and been Sec of State...you're going to get some perks.....rotten if you're a socialist and believe politicians should get the same pay as schoolteachers.
There's no doubt the Clinton's have done well for themselves......Dick Cheney got a check from Haliburton and gave them Iraqi contracts which indirectly lined his pockets....the financial records of the Clinton Foundation show they've distributed the money to places the world and Wall Street tend to ignore. I like the work they've done....rich people travel in style. For what they've accomplished, it's a perk that doesn't bother me at all.

 

[Han Dolo]

I mean, you could start with the fact that some of her biggest donors are war manufacturers (Boeing, Lockheed Martin $10 million each, I believe) and she consistently votes to start conflicts in other countries. She was one of the biggest proponents of the Iraq war that George W. Bush takes so much heat over.

How a liberal democrat can support a corporate war profiteer is beyond me. She's GWB in a pantsuit. Goes to show that some people only look at party affiliation.

 

[riverman]

I mean, you could start with the fact that some of her biggest donors are war manufacturers (Boeing, Lockheed Martin $10 million each, I believe) and she consistently votes to start conflicts in other countries. She was one of the biggest proponents of the Iraq war that George W. Bush takes so much heat over.

How a liberal democrat can support a corporate war profiteer is beyond me. She's GWB in a pantsuit. Goes to show that some people only look at party affiliation.

arms dealers are one of the few 1%ers who have tons of expendable money....I do not see her as a hawk....actually I don't see George Bush Jr as a hawk, but his dad was. George Bush took most of the heat over his missin accomplished flight....it's Cheney that used his old company for profit in Iraq...he granted Haliburton all the contracts they wanted.....Hillary is smart...GWB is not a very bright guy

 

[Denny Crane]

Famous people all over the globe get paid well for speaking appearances...that's not news. If Bill Gates donates to a charity and hires them to speak...it's his choice...he can afford it. As to receiving favorable treatment by the State Dept....when you're a career politician married to a two term ex president, have governed and been Sec of State...you're going to get some perks.....rotten if you're a socialist and believe politicians should get the same pay as schoolteachers.
There's no doubt the Clinton's have done well for themselves......Dick Cheney got a check from Haliburton and gave them Iraqi contracts which indirectly lined his pockets....the financial records of the Clinton Foundation show they've distributed the money to places the world and Wall Street tend to ignore. I like the work they've done....rich people travel in style. For what they've accomplished, it's a perk that doesn't bother me at all.

Bill Gates wasn't Secretary of State, nor is he seeking a position where he could possibly misuse the power and funds of public office.

Cheney sold his Haliburton stock, a complete divorce from the company, when he was VP. When he ran Haliburton, he was given bigger and bigger contracts by the Bill Clinton administration.

Hiliar signed a letter promising to live up to high ethical standards (haha, impossible for that woman) regarding the foundation while she was Secy of State. Unlike Cheney.


Even so, those who are now supporting Hiliar are showing their hypocrisy by criticizing Cheney at the time and failing to criticize Hiliar now. As well, these same hypocrites were appalled that Reagan made a paid speech as ex-president. Hypocrites, every one.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Trump sucks, no argument from me on that.

And so does Hillary.

All humans suck to some extent. But there's a difference between a black hole and a vacuum cleaner.

 

[e_blazer]

All humans suck to some extent. But there's a difference between a black hole and a vacuum cleaner.

It's a complete pick your poison situation to me.

Trump is a total loose cannon, IMO. He says whatever comes into his mind and appears to have very little in the way of an operational filter to avoid saying things that are totally inappropriate. His "policy" positions are more blather than substance. The thought of him as CIC scares the hell out of me.

Hillary is as far inside Washington as it's possible to get without creating the black hole you reference. On the surface, she supports every liberal position on the Democrat plank, but one has to wonder what and who she's beholden to for all of those highly-paid speeches and behind the scenes meetings. Her inability to tell the truth and willingness to try to hide things from the public eye scare me most about her.

Double yuck as far as I'm concerned.

 

[riverman]

I vote for Gary Johnson...my point is that the Clinton Foundation is a good foundation that does important work....I didn't say Gates was a politician just like I didn't say some Saudi Prince is a politician in our govt...I don't want Hillary as prez....but not because of the Clinton Foundation

 

[riverman]

Personally, I think Trump is the worst possible candidate in a long history of bad candidates and Hillary looks burned out....enter...Gary Johnson..someone who is definitely a voice of reason in this circus of an election year