This Will Be the Game of the Season for Miller!

[BGrantFan]

People keep saying how Miller is the key to the team, yet Portland played a very solid game without him against PHX in a win.

'Dre, show 'em how it's done against Orlando! Prove you don't have to adjust your game.

 

[oldmangrouch]

On this team, Miller is the guy you pick to scapegoat. Seriously?

 

[BGrantFan]

On this team, Miller is the guy you pick to scapegoat. Seriously?

http://sportstwo.com/threads/175501-This-will-be-the-game-of-the-season-for-Roy!

Yeah!

 

[Natebishop3]

I thought people kept saying that Wesley Matthews was the key to the season...

 

[MickZagger]

On this team, Miller is the guy you pick to scapegoat. Seriously?

Sersly. His boy Aldridge needs to look at himself in the mirror.

 

[BGrantFan]

Sersly. His boy Aldridge needs to look at himself in the mirror.

Aldridge played well offensively last night. 10 points/2 rebounds/2 assists in the 4th quarter, and he passed out of a double-team twice to Wesley for open 3-pointers.

I suppose that means he "disappeared".

The team played arguably its best offensive game of the year. Guess who finally didn't play...

 

[blazerboy30]

Nice to see PapaG show up again for his crusade against Miller. We haven't seen this before.

 

[BGrantFan]

Nice to see BGrantFan show up again for his crusade against Miller. We haven't seen this before.

If last night was Roy's biggest game of the season, then tomorrow night is Miller's, IMO. Trade Miller now while he still has some value.

 

[blazerboy30]

If last night was Roy's biggest game of the season, then tomorrow night is Miller's, IMO. Trade Miller now while he still has some value.

Why, is Roy out for tomorrow's game like Miller was out for "Roy's biggest game"? Your post makes no sense.

 

[BGrantFan]

Why, is Roy out for tomorrow's game like Miller was out for "Roy's biggest game"? Your post makes no sense.

http://sportstwo.com/threads/175501-...season-for-Roy!

Derrr

It helps if you actually read the entire thread before jumping in with your inane personal attacks. We finally got to see the team without Miller. I liked what I saw, so to me, tomorrow is a huge game for Miller to prove he belongs. If the team struggles, I'd consider benching him.

 

[blazerboy30]

http://sportstwo.com/threads/175501-...season-for-Roy!

Derrr

It helps if you actually read the entire thread before jumping in with your inane personal attacks. We finally got to see the team without Miller. I liked what I saw, so to me, tomorrow is a huge game for Miller to prove he belongs. If the team struggles, I'd consider benching him.

Hey, great analysis. It means a lot coming from you, considering you want to bench him even when he is clearly the best option we have on the team with Roy out. You've also had the personal vendetta against the Matthews signing. How did that analysis work out for you?

 

[BGrantFan]

Hey, great analysis. It means a lot coming from you, considering you want to bench him even when he is clearly the best option we have on the team with Roy out. You've also had the personal vendetta against the Matthews signing. How did that analysis work out for you?

Matthews is the best option with Roy out, followed by Aldridge. If Miller is the primary option, the Blazers may as well tank the season.

I think 'Dre's ballhogging ways would work great off the bench with Rudy and Cunningham.

 

[blazerboy30]

Matthews is the best option with Roy out, followed by Aldridge. If Miller is the primary option, the Blazers may as well tank the season.

Matthews wasn't on the team last year during the playoffs when you were on your "Miller sucks" crusade.

Funny how you now think Matthews is the best option on the team without Roy, after a summer of bitching about the signing.

 

[BGrantFan]

Matthews wasn't on the team last year during the playoffs when you were on your "Miller sucks" crusade.

Funny how you now think Matthews is the best option on the team without Roy, after a summer of bitching about the signing.

I thought he was overpaid. For a 16 PER player on a losing team, the jury is still out on him, but he seems to be finding his niche offensively. He's a bit of a ballhog, though, so I think uptempo, like last night, is a better use of him than the dribble and pass offense we saw before last night.

I've closed the book on Miller, though. This team is going nowhere with him or without him this season, so Cho may as well try to get younger at the point and find someone who can shoot a bit. At this point, I think he is most valuable as a trade chip this season. If he lasts past the trade deadline, I'll be very suprised. Keeping him makes absolutely zero sense if the point is to win a title sometime in the future.

 

[blazerboy30]

I thought he was overpaid. For a 16 PER player on a losing team, the jury is still out on him, but he seems to be finding his niche offensively. He's a bit of a ballhog, though, so I think uptempo, like last night, is a better use of him than the dribble and pass offense we saw before last night.

I've closed the book on Miller, though. This team is going nowhere with him or without him this season, so Cho may as well try to get younger at the point and find someone who can shoot a bit. At this point, I think he is most valuable as a trade chip this season. If he lasts past the trade deadline, I'll be very suprised. Keeping him makes absolutely zero sense if the point is to win a title sometime in the future.

I have no problem looking to trade Miller. But only if it brings back a valuable piece. But you continually beat the "Miller sucks" drum, when he clearly isn't a bad player. You love bringing up PER for Matthews, but fail to bring it up when discussing Miller. Strange. Could it be because Miller has the highest PER on the team?

 

[BGrantFan]

I have no problem looking to trade Miller. But only if it brings back a valuable piece. But you continually beat the "Miller sucks" drum, when he clearly isn't a bad player. You love bringing up PER for Matthews, but fail to bring it up when discussing Miller. Strange. Could it be because Miller has the highest PER on the team?

When did I post "Miller sucks" recently, or even this season? I'm not sure I've really ever posted that literally. In fact, I've said he's been playing well. I just don't think he fits here, and the team is going nowhere with him having the highest PER and the highest usage rate.

Square peg; round hole. Seems to be a problem that 'Dre consistently has encountered in his career. I'm starting to like the Mo Williams ideas that I'm reading.

 

[blazerboy30]

When did I post "Miller sucks" recently, or even this season? I'm not sure I've really ever posted that literally. In fact, I've said he's been playing well. I just don't think he fits here, and the team is going nowhere with him having the highest PER and the highest usage rate.

Square peg; round hole. Seems to be a problem that 'Dre consistently has encountered in his career. I'm starting to like the Mo Williams ideas that I'm reading.

I would also prefer if we had players better than Miller so that Miller didn't have the highest PER on the team. But trading Miller for somebody that will have a lower PER, and thus making somebody else on the Blazers have the highest PER seems like a pretty lousy reason to trade Miller.

 

[Minstrel]

I've closed the book on Miller, though.

You had closed the book on Miller from the off-season he was signed, though. If all this boils down to is "I've never liked Miller and still don't" (which is a valid opinion, even if I don't share it), what is the new thing you're adding?

 

[BGrantFan]

I would also prefer if we had players better than Miller so that Miller didn't have the highest PER on the team. But trading Miller for somebody that will have a lower PER, and thus making somebody else on the Blazers have the highest PER seems like a pretty lousy reason to trade Miller.

I disagree. Miller likely doesn't fit in past this season, or next season if his contract is renewed for some bafflling reason. May as well try to use him in a trade with his value at its highest, IMO.

 

[BGrantFan]

You had closed the book on Miller from the off-season he was signed, though. If all this boils down to is "I've never liked Miller and still don't" (which is a valid opinion, even if I don't share it), what is the new thing you're adding?

That's he's playing well and has elevated his trade value?

 

[Minstrel]

That's he's playing well and has elevated his trade value?

*laugh* Okay. I thought he played well last year, too. I guess we have the competing dynamics of Miller playing well (even a little better this season) but also getting older.

As blazerboy said, I'd be happy to trade him if Portland got some impressive swag back for him. But not just to dump him.

 

[BGrantFan]

*laugh* Okay. I thought he played well last year, too. I guess we have the competing dynamics of Miller playing well (even a little better this season) but also getting older.

As blazerboy said, I'd be happy to trade him if Portland got some impressive swag back for him. But not just to dump him.

I didn't say I'd just dump him. I'd use his value in a trade to get someone younger who can shoot. If that's not possible, I'd like to see him lead the second unit off of the bench and start the "big" line-up for a week or two to see what happens.

 

[blazerboy30]

This discussion is pretty silly and just a rehash of all the other PapaG-created anti-Miller threads.

Fun stuff.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I just don't think he fits here, and the team is going nowhere with him having the highest PER and the highest usage rate.

Where the fuck do you come up with this shit. You obviously just make it up and hope no one notices. Miller has the 6th highest USG% on the team. He trails Roy, Aldridge, Mathews, and our other two PGs. Good god, check your facts once in a while rather than making up random shit to support your incorrect conclusions.

Miller also has a very respectable AST% of 36.3. I don't know where you get this idiotic idea that Miller is a ballhog. The stats (the REAL ones, not the ones you pull out of your ass) certainly don't support your conclusion.

I'm starting to like the Mo Williams ideas that I'm reading.

Seriously? I don't believe this shit. Do you actually believe it, or are you just trolling?

You just bagged on Miller for his "team leading" USG% of 21.1 and you want to replace him with a guy that has a USG% of 28.7 - which is far higher than anyone on the Blazers (Roy = 24.4). You're also constantly bashing Miller for his "poor" shooting and now want to replace him with a guy with a much lower TS% (.503 vs. .528). And finally, you bag on Kevin Love for putting up big numbers on a bad team and constantly use his team's poor record to justify your opinion. So, now you want to bring in a guy putting up worse stats on a worse team (7-14) to replace Andre Miller as our starting PG. Yeah, that makes sense and isn't at all inconsistent.

BNM

 

[RoyToy]

PapaG is right to bag on Miller's shooting and wanting to replace him with Mo Williams to fix the problem.

Mo Williams is a very good 3pt shooter, Miller isn't. It's that simple. Williams demands a defender on him/run at him when he has the ball behind the 3pt line while teams give Miller 5 feet of space when he has the ball behind the 3pt line and won't even bother closing out on him. There's a huge difference between the two in their shooting abilities and TS% won't tell you that.

One big reason why the Blazers were so successful 2 years ago is because they had the guys to space floor who were good 3pt shooters. The Blazers were 4th that year in 3pt% and they were 12th in attempts. Nate McMillan isn't lying when he says the players just aren't hitting shots this year. As of right now they're 24th in the league in 3pt%. That's bad. Bringing in Mo Williams would create a ton of space for players like Roy and Aldridge while adding another 3pt threat to the team.

 

[Boob-No-More]

PapaG is right to bag on Miller's shooting and wanting to replace him with Mo Williams to fix the problem.

Mo Williams is a very good 3pt shooter, Miller isn't. It's that simple. Williams demands a defender on him/run at him when he has the ball behind the 3pt line while teams give Miller 5 feet of space when he has the ball behind the 3pt line and won't even bother closing out on him. There's a huge difference between the two in their shooting abilities and TS% won't tell you that.

One big reason why the Blazers were so successful 2 years ago is because they had the guys to space floor who were good 3pt shooters. The Blazers were 4th that year in 3pt% and they were 12th in attempts. Nate McMillan isn't lying when he says the players just aren't hitting shots this year. As of right now they're 24th in the league in 3pt%. That's bad. Bringing in Mo Williams would create a ton of space for players like Roy and Aldridge while adding another 3pt threat to the team.

Nice theory. Too bad the data doesn't support your conclusion. Mo Williams has a 0.291 3FG%. And, this is your solutiuon to our shooting woes?

BNM

 

[MickZagger]

Aldridge played well offensively last night. 10 points/2 rebounds/2 assists in the 4th quarter, and he passed out of a double-team twice to Wesley for open 3-pointers.

I suppose that means he "disappeared".

The team played arguably its best offensive game of the year. Guess who finally didn't play...

I take it you watched the game last night? If you did, you realize atleast 6-8 of those points by Aldridge came via free throws under the 1 minute mark. Stat padding at its finest.

 

[MickZagger]

I thought he was overpaid. For a 16 PER player on a losing team, the jury is still out on him, but he seems to be finding his niche offensively. He's a bit of a ballhog, though, so I think uptempo, like last night, is a better use of him than the dribble and pass offense we saw before last night.

I've closed the book on Miller, though. This team is going nowhere with him or without him this season, so Cho may as well try to get younger at the point and find someone who can shoot a bit. At this point, I think he is most valuable as a trade chip this season. If he lasts past the trade deadline, I'll be very suprised. Keeping him makes absolutely zero sense if the point is to win a title sometime in the future.

But, your boy Aldridge who is a 16 PER on the same losing team, is making $11 mil per and its quite the bargain.

 

[BGrantFan]

Where the fuck do you come up with this shit. You obviously just make it up and hope no one notices. Miller has the 6th highest USG% on the team. BNM

Yeah. I looked it up after I made the post and realized my error. I just didn't really care enough to go back and amend that one detail. Thanks for yet another pedantic and anger-laced dissertation, though. I hope it made you feel better.

 

[BGrantFan]

Nice theory. Too bad the data doesn't support your conclusion. Mo Williams has a 0.291 3FG%. And, this is your solutiuon to our shooting woes?

BNM

Gee, and what is missing from Cleveland this year compared to Mo's 40% years? Oh yeah, an offensive player who can drive the lane and open up three point shooters.

Did you even think before you posted this?