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The other possibility I've heard speculated regarding the Trailblazers, though I don't see it myself, is a multi-team deal with Tracy McGrady going there and Hinrich ending up in Houston. If McGrady could improve from his knee issues it could be a heck of a veteran addition for a young team on the brink. And it's seemed more and more lately that McGrady's lineup uncertainty is baffling the Rockets. You've got to say, in any case, Portland is an interesting franchise
 
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A me-first player with a questionable work-ethic and a history of injury issues. Yeah - that fits right in with everything McMillan and Pritchard have been building this team around.

-Pop
 
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It is Sam Smith, so i don't trust it very much.
 
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-Pop
 
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McGrady isn't me-first. He's one of the most unselfish volume scorers. He was often accused of being "passive," because he spent large chunks of the game passing the ball to teammates rather than taking shots. He's been a terrific passer and play-maker for others through his career.

But I wouldn't trade for him. At this point, injuries have totally derailed his career. At his peak, he was a top-five player but now he's nowhere close to that form. In addition, he misses far too much time. I don't think he has much left at this point, so I'd rather spent whatever trade chips the team has for a player who will be valuable for a reasonably long period of time.
 
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Though the back channel rumor making the rounds—and it was only a rumor and I really can't imagine even Paul Allen trying that--was the Trailblazers would look favorably on someone having Miles and not playing him and arrange some sort of favorable trade. The Grizzlies and the Trailblazers had some talks this season about Mike Conley going to Portland for Travis Outlaw for Conley to join good buddy Greg Oden, and also help bring Oden out of his shell some. Plus, the Trail Blazers needed a point guard, though Steve Blake has played better than expected. Relations between the Grizzlies and Blazers now are assumed to be poor, and the Memphis Commercial Appeal reported talks with the Bucks about Conley.
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Wow... that's an angle I didn't think of.
 
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Minstrel said:
McGrady isn't me-first. He's one of the most unselfish volume scorers. He was often accused of being "passive," because he spent large chunks of the game passing the ball to teammates rather than taking shots. He's been a terrific passer and play-maker for others through his career.

But I wouldn't trade for him. At this point, injuries have totally derailed his career. At his peak, he was a top-five player but now he's nowhere close to that form. In addition, he misses far too much time. I don't think he has much left at this point, so I'd rather spent whatever trade chips the team has for a player who will be valuable for a reasonably long period of time.
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exactly how I feel about it, and great analysis on him not being a me-first player. He isn't, at all.
 
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JFizzleRaider said:
exactly how I feel about it, and great analysis on him not being a me-first player. He isn't, at all.
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The guy has just been injury prone for the last few years. His back is totaled. I would have loved to see him in a Blazers uniform in 2001 though.
 
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Yeah - nothing me-first at all about demanding out of Toronto so he wouldn't have to share touches with his cousin.

-Pop
 
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SodaPopinski said:
Yeah - nothing me-first at all about demanding out of Toronto so he wouldn't have to share touches with his cousin.

-Pop
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Demanding? He was a free agent pop. He signed a big contract with Orlando.
 
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Natebishop3 said:
The guy has just been injury prone for the last few years. His back is totaled. I would have loved to see him in a Blazers uniform in 2001 though.
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I would have loved him in 2001 too, his knees are also shot. Not worth a look anymore. Shane Battier on the other hand... :wub:
 
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Natebishop3 said:
Demanding? He was a free agent pop. He signed a big contract with Orlando.
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To a team that also was signing Grant Hill in his prime before injuries. It wasn't to "be the man on his own team."
 
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SodaPopinski said:
If I recall, Toronto offered him more and he bolted because he didn't want to share touches with VC.

-Pop
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So he went to Orlando to "share touches" with Grant Hill? This logic is flawed
 
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SodaPopinski said:
If I recall, Toronto offered him more and he bolted because he didn't want to share touches with VC.
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Even assuming you recall correctly (and I don't know if you do)... who cares? That was almost nine years ago. He was 20 or 21.

Should you really let something like that determine your opinion of a player?

Ed O.
 
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SodaPopinski said:
If I recall, Toronto offered him more and he bolted because he didn't want to share touches with VC.

-Pop
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I kinda remember hearing that too pop, but TMAC is from Florida, and he had a chance to go play at home with Grant Hill for a big contract. I think that had more to do with it than anything.
 
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This is very easy. Go to his stat page, and look at his assist, and then tell me again that he is a selfish player. If he is a selfish player, Brandon Roy is too.
 
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i don't think he's selfish, but he is one of the more overrated players in NBA history. his 23 million expiring in 2010 will make things interesting for somebody. don't see how it would help us though.
 
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a healthy mcgrady was one of the top 5 players in the game.

if he can get healthy, this makes us a contender, if not we have a huge expiring for next season. dont see it happening though.
 
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I believe at this point of his career, that Tmac just wants to win. It is much like KG who had that championship failure hanging above his head every year. He is a much different person now, than he was back then.

I also think it is about the part of his career, where like AI now, he recognizes he may have to take a secondary role in order to get to the promised land.

The salary is a concern...if you are not winning. Chances are though, when he comes up for free agency next time, it will not be for the amount of money he has signed for now. He may actually be the type of player you can retain.
 
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A scottie pippen role perhaps? What would we be giving up for him though? I wouldn't want to give up much at all to be honest
 
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JFizzleRaider said:
A scottie pippen role perhaps? What would we be giving up for him though? I wouldn't want to give up much at all to be honest
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Not at all. Firstly, I don't really want to help Houston. Even without McGrady, they have Yao and Artest. They're not a bad team. I'd rather they keep trying to figure things out, as opposed to making a trade and putting it all together.
 
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Natebishop3 said:
Not at all. Firstly, I don't really want to help Houston. Even without McGrady, they have Yao and Artest. They're not a bad team. I'd rather they keep trying to figure things out, as opposed to making a trade and putting it all together.
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I'm sure that's what the entire league is saying about us.
 
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JFizzleRaider said:
A scottie pippen role perhaps? What would we be giving up for him though? I wouldn't want to give up much at all to be honest
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Well considering Houston probably isn't considering trading him to begin with, I have no idea what they would be looking for. You don't trade a big piece for him. You are looking for a many generic run of the mill player for a star player in your ideal trade scenario. If you are on their end, your not looking for that, unless you want expiring contracts so that you can go after a different free agent later.

Well amazingly enough we have those. Raef. Frye. Diogu. They all expire within the next few years. Mix in a little talent and or draft picks, and you might hve a trade.
 
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SodaPopinski said:
If I recall, Toronto offered him more and he bolted because he didn't want to share touches with VC.
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Orlando offered him a max contract and Orlando was his home town.

He signed knowing (expecting, anyway) he'd share touches with Grant Hill.
 
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Essentially, Houston has no incentive to deal him. The only way McGrady makes sense to another team is basically getting him for free...his contract is so large and McGrady misses so much time that no one is going to give up talent for the "benefit" of paying McGrady's contract, hoping for a resurrection. And Houston, committed as they are to this attempt to contend, doesn't benefit from dumping McGrady for nothing. All they can hope for is that resurrection. Perhaps that they reach the playoffs and McGrady is healthy for them.
 
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