To Roy or Not to Roy?

[magnifier661]

Okay after thinking this over and over about Roy's struggles, I have come to a conclusion. And call me out if you think I'm full of shit.

1.) Roy of old. I remembered him not really "scoring" too much in the first half. Basically waiting for his game to come to him. Of course there are exceptions, but I remembered the majority of his games, he played tentative in the 1st and 2nd and turned it on in the third and fourth quarters.

2.) It's obvious Nate is playing Roy as more of a "role player", in terms of minutes; yet he expects Roy to do the things Roy does before his injury.

3.) There was a comment made about Roy being more of a "James Jones" type of contributor; which maybe the best role for him. If this is true, then why are we using the same old plays for Roy? If he truly doesn't have the "legs" or "explosiveness" of old, then why keep the plays that are catered to this?

4.) Defensively, in this series, Roy isn't playing worse than the other guards defensively, so he is just as much a detriment to the club in this series on defense.

So don't you think it's unfair to expect Roy to contribute of Old, when you aren't given him the minutes to establish his game? Why is Nate keeping the old plays for Roy, instead of drawing up new ones that cater to his new physical ability?

I think we are only hurting Roy's confidence more because most fans don't know the game, and expect the old Roy to play. This is unfair for the team and Roy. Yes, Roy should be contributing to his "max contract", but anyone with any B-Ball IQ knows that's impossible. Wouldn't it be better to try and get the most out of Roy, instead of exploiting him negatively? I don't say to give Roy a ton of minutes, but if you want the same Roy, then you need to give him a ton of minutes to establish the game. Kinda a catch 22.

 

[Blazinaway]

It's way too late for that "experiment", inactive list is better choice IMO Lets go with the horses that got us here

 

[magnifier661]

It's way too late for that "experiment", inactive list is better choice IMO Lets go with the horses that got us here

Yep and it's actually Nate's fault. They had 20 games to work this out before the playoffs, and instead Nate just assumed Roy would be his old self. Problem is if Nate wanted the old Roy back, then he should have started right out the gate. Yeah less minutes, but as a starter.

 

[Blazinaway]

Yep and it's actually Nate's fault. They had 20 games to work this out before the playoffs, and instead Nate just assumed Roy would be his old self. Problem is if Nate wanted the old Roy back, then he should have started right out the gate. Yeah less minutes, but as a starter.

however we want to "label" that it's past history, the guy has no confidence and game right now - you simply do not start him, it's not fair to the rest of the team

 

[magnifier661]

however we want to "label" that it's past history, the guy has no confidence and game right now - you simply do not start him, it's not fair to the rest of the team

Maybe it would have been better if Roy just sat this season out then. Maybe that's why other players never come back after surgery this early. I can't remember a single player that tried doing what Roy did this season. I think this decision may have bite him in the ass.

 

[Blazinaway]

Maybe it would have been better if Roy just sat this season out then. Maybe that's why other players never come back after surgery this early. I can't remember a single player that tried doing what Roy did this season. I think this decision may have bite him in the ass.

Mags you have to realize his "surgery" was no big deal, they just scoped him to clean up any loose bits and gave him a PRP shot to enhance recovery - that's it. it's adjusting to his now limited condition, it's taking a while and as you said there may be a few folks at fault there, then again maybe this is as good as it gets?

 

[blazedanugz]

Jason Quick just had an interview on 95.5 that was 19 minutes long....over twice the amount broy played last night.....broy>jasonquick

 

[illmatic99]

I don't think some of us are understanding the magnitude of change in Roy's game. He can't just flip a switch and go automatically from being the #1 guy for 3 full seasons to a role-playing shooter.

 

[Paxil]

but if you want the same Roy, then you need to give him a ton of minutes to establish the game. Kinda a catch 22.

I limited minutes he was able to produce some nice games earlier this year... you may be right... but I don't think we'll ever know because he has to earn the minutes.

 

[MARIS61]

Not.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Better not to play at all at this point, as others say it is too late now. And although Nate could have played him more in the regular season, he had other priorities also, like establishing an offense that included Wallace, like trying to get Rudy on track. I think Roy had enough of a chance and if he had shown something he would have got increased minutes.

And it's not about whether it is "unfair to expect Roy to contribute of Old"; it's about whether if's fair to us fans to not give the team it's best chance to succeed and for me, right now, that's to let other people play. I'm sorry that Roy hasn't been able to play through his mental blocks but I think that needs to wait until next preseason and season.

 

[jlprk]

1.) Roy of old. I remembered him not really "scoring" too much in the first half. Basically waiting for his game to come to him. Of course there are exceptions, but I remembered the majority of his games, he played tentative in the 1st and 2nd and turned it on in the third and fourth quarters.

Insead of taking his time to contribute, he needs to become Mr. Instant Offense. Nate gives him 4 minutes, he doesn't do anything, so he sits and gets depressed.

He doesn't think humbly like a substitute yet. He still thinks the way a King of the team does, like he can leisurely work on his own schedule.

He was always slow, so I don't know whether he can quicken up.

 

[Rhal]

I think McMillian should start him this next game and pretty much give him the first quarter. Tell him to go out there and show us what he has left. If he stinks he sit the rest of the series or is very limited in the minutes he plays. Let him man the fuck up or sit his ass down.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Roy's knees have rendered him slow and completely removed any NBA quickness he had. He, literally, lumbers up and down the court. His "one-on-three" moves in the key that had become old and useless are now painfully pathetic. The bottom line is that while he can still shoot the ball, he has no game whatsoever. It's sad, but that's what injuries have done to him. He lives in a state of semi denial and still thinks that at certain times in playoff games he can carry the team. Well, he can't. Frankly, we're a better team when he is not on the floor. But Nate is old school and old school says star players that don't have it anymore will always get to play- even if it means hurting the team.

 

[Shooter]

Maybe it would have been better if Roy just sat this season out then. Maybe that's why other players never come back after surgery this early. I can't remember a single player that tried doing what Roy did this season.

This season? How about what he did last season, coming back only 8 days after his surgery? I think Roy has hurt himself by rushing back after surgery TWICE. It was a stupid decision both times, and yet the team let him do it. It has probably contributed to his surprising decline.

 

[Shooter]

Frankly, we're a better team when he is not on the floor. But Nate is old school and old school says star players that don't have it anymore will always get to play- even if it means hurting the team.

Huh? McMillan has barely given Roy any minutes the last two games.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Because of the failure of Nate to integrate Roy back into the team in the way he needed to be, for the remainder of the playoffs he should be used on a production basis. If he comes in and is shooting well, and getting others involved then let him play a bit. If he comes in and freezes Aldridge out of the offense while trying to go 1 on 5 then yank him ASAP

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

I think because of the failure of Nate to integrate Roy back into the team in the way he needed to be, for the remainder of the playoffs he should be used on a production basis. If he comes in and is shooting well, and getting other involved then let him play a bit. If he comes in and freezes Aldridge out of the offense while trying to go 1 on 5 then yank him ASAP

And don't forget defense. If he isn't quick enough to rotate to the open shooter on the perimeter, then out he goes as well.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Huh? McMillan has barely given Roy any minutes the last two games.

When one considers how he has hurt the team, any minutes are too many. But Nate has left him out there well after it's apparent he's hurting the team.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I think McMillian should start him this next game and pretty much give him the first quarter. Tell him to go out there and show us what he has left. If he stinks he sit the rest of the series or is very limited in the minutes he plays. Let him man the fuck up or sit his ass down.

I support this idea. But it's not going to happen. Besides which, to really "get him going", you'd have to give him his old isolation plays back. What is LaMarcus, our CURRENT franchise player doing meanwhile?

 

[Paxil]

My bottom line with Roy is... I need to see him hustling and at least giving 100% effort. His jogging through the offense is not going to cut it. If that is all he has left... then I guess we have an 82 million dollar paperweight. His attitude is hurting the rest of the team too.

I swear he is acting like my 6 year old does when I ask him to pick up sticks in the yard when he would rather be playing video games... slouches around... moves at slow poke pace with duck lips sulking. (If you don't play me exactly the number of minutes I want... if I don't start blah blah blah this is what you get)

I can empathize with Roy in a way because of the injuries... but I have not a bit of sympathy for him. He is set for life. He reached the top of his profession and reaped the best that it had to offer... money... allstar, fame, popularity... and now he is blaming his lack of effort on the coach.

Personally... I think he mental... I think he pointed at Miller first, then his knees, and now his coach, but until he realizes what the problem really is he will always point at something... and it does hurt the team.

 

[Blazinaway]

My bottom line with Roy is... I need to see him hustling and at least giving 100% effort. His jogging through the offense is not going to cut it. If that is all he has left... then I guess we have an 82 million dollar paperweight. His attitude is hurting the rest of the team too.

I swear he is acting like my 6 year old does when I ask him to pick up sticks in the yard when he would rather be playing video games... slouches around... moves at slow poke pace with duck lips sulking. (If you don't play me exactly the number of minutes I want... if I don't start blah blah blah this is what you get)

I can empathize with Roy in a way because of the injuries... but I have not a bit of sympathy for him. He is set for life. He reached the top of his profession and reaped the best that it had to offer... money... allstar, fame, popularity... and now he is blaming his lack of effort on the coach.

Personally... I think he mental... I think he pointed at Miller first, then his knees, and now his coach, but until he realizes what the problem really is he will always point at something... and it does hurt the team.

nicely said, fully agree

 

[Tortimer]

I hope Nate doesn't give in and try playing Roy more then he should.

 

[Blaze01]

Bench him...1st of all to send a message, that this is not the kind of a garbage that needs to be said when your team is down 0-2 in a playoff series. 2nd of all because he has looked horrible out there on the court.

You know if Brandon has a problem with his minutes then the solution is really simple...PRODUCE! Score, I mean for fuck's sake the guy is a 19ppg career scorer and he would have everyone believe that now he is unable to score? at all?????

Bullshit....

You don't hear Rudy, our other resident whiner, whining over his lack of playoff minutes now do you? I didn't hear Matthews whining about his lack of minutes in Game 1?

Selfish fucking egomaniac....that is what Roy comes off as, no matter how much Canzano & Quick try to defend him, the evidence is irrefutable...

and Canzano, this is the same guy who blasted the Blazers for not giving Roy a max deal from Day 1, how dare they question Roy's knees after ALL he has done for this franchise? Then he blasts Blazer management for signing Roy TO that max deal once he got hurt, how could they be so foolish to NOT know about his knees? and now he blasts McMillan for not playing Roy enough minutes when he has done NOTHING to warrant it...and believe me, he will be the FIRST to blast McMillan for "misusing" Roy as a reason for why the Blazers lost this series....

the guy (Canzano) is a fucking joke and a complete phony....and if Roy thinks that having Canzano write an article in favor of him is a good thing, he is sadly mistaken...

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Play Roy 24 minutes; I noticed an odd grouping of about 10 wins when Roy plays between 23 and 25 minutes a night as a bench player. That seems to be his sweet spot.

So, bring him in off the bench first. But, with some rules:

1. He needs Andre in there with him for all 24 minutes. Roy needs to be part of the offense, not initiating it.

2. Marcus Camby needs to be in there for 18 of the 24 minutes. With Roy in there, we lose someone else who could be rebounding or playing defense. Camby does both well enough to make up for Roy being in there.

3. Two of LMA or Wallace or Matthews or Batum need to be in there for all 24 minutes. Roy needs someone who can catch and shoot when he dishes. Catch shoot and make would be optimal.

4. Roy needs 6 minute stretches without worrying about being yanked. He needs time to warm up, and that means not worrying about if he can produce now now now. Next year, we can make him Steve Smith. This year, he's still Brandon Roy.

 

[magnifier661]

Play Roy 24 minutes; I noticed an odd grouping of about 10 wins when Roy plays between 23 and 25 minutes a night as a bench player. That seems to be his sweet spot.

So, bring him in off the bench first. But, with some rules:

1. He needs Andre in there with him for all 24 minutes. Roy needs to be part of the offense, not initiating it.

2. Marcus Camby needs to be in there for 18 of the 24 minutes. With Roy in there, we lose someone else who could be rebounding or playing defense. Camby does both well enough to make up for Roy being in there.

3. Two of LMA or Wallace or Matthews or Batum need to be in there for all 24 minutes. Roy needs someone who can catch and shoot when he dishes. Catch shoot and make would be optimal.

4. Roy needs 6 minute stretches without worrying about being yanked. He needs time to warm up, and that means not worrying about if he can produce now now now. Next year, we can make him Steve Smith. This year, he's still Brandon Roy.

Great points and rep'd

 

[3RA1N1AC]

canzano is a fat bald douche

roy is done as a star, he is an average player now, sometimes average players ride the bench depending on matchups. if he can exploit a matchup, put him in, if he is getting exploited, take him out.

 

[B-Roy]

So....how many minutes does Roy play tonight?

 

[Paxil]

Play Roy 24 minutes; I noticed an odd grouping of about 10 wins when Roy plays between 23 and 25 minutes a night as a bench player. That seems to be his sweet spot.

It also might just indicate that when Roy plays better... the coach leaves him in more. =)

 

[Minstrel]

So....how many minutes does Roy play tonight?

I'd set the over/under line at 12 minutes.