Today is a pretty big day ...season changing... franchise changing type day?

[MIXUM]

We find out about roys knee. MRI results. Question is.... will it be rest, minor surgery, or the dreaded .... micro fracture?

Either way Roy seEmed in good spirits on bench last night and amazingly was in uniform.

Its so whacky that I wouldn't be shocked if he plAyed Thursday or they said his season was over. Listening To Canzano yesterday... sounds like micro fracture is all but certain. Thats the vibe I was getting from radio.

Thoughts? you guys hear anything from MB, Wheels or anything on air last night? I had the fucking NBA TV broadcast with grizz announcers. That was painful.

 

[Blazinaway]

We find out about roys knee. MRI results. Question is.... will it be rest, minor surgery, or the dreaded .... micro fracture?

Either way Roy seEmed in good spirits on bench last night and amazingly was in uniform.

Its so whacky that I wouldn't be shocked if he plAyed Thursday or they said his season was over. Listening To Canzano yesterday... sounds like micro fracture is all but certain. Thats the vibe I was getting from radio.

Thoughts? you guys hear anything from MB, Wheels or anything on air last night? I had the fucking NBA TV broadcast with grizz announcers. That was painful.

It'll be interesting and perhaps important depending on what they find different from his last MRI in May. Micro fracture was not recommended by either Doc recently, so I have to have serious doubts that is the likely outcome, but we'll see.

 

[Mediocre Man]

We already know Roy's knees are in really bad shape, so what does it really matter what the MRI says? If it says he needs surgery then Roy will never be the same player. If it says he doesn't need surgery then Roy will never be the same player.

 

[MIXUM]

even roy at 50% helps us. did you see our bench last night? it might be the worse bench in the nba with wesley starting.

 

[illmatic99]

I don't think an MRI can reveal much if there is little meniscus left (maybe a cartilage tear, and that would be devastating, but not very likely).

An arthroscope would reveal much more.

 

[Blazinaway]

even roy at 50% helps us. did you see our bench last night? it might be the worse bench in the nba with wesley starting.

out big problem off the bench is a backup C, when Joel and hopefully Oden are back this becomes a strength as opposed to a glaring weakness.

 

[Blazinaway]

I don't think an MRI can reveal much if there is little meniscus left (maybe a cartilage tear, and that would be devastating, but not very likely).

An arthroscope would reveal much more.

how can one have a cartilage tear (meniscus kind) if there is little or none left? Now the articular cartilage may have become more seriously damaged or inflamed, maybe we will find that out.

 

[illmatic99]

how can one have a cartilage tear (meniscus kind) if there is little or none left? Now the articular cartilage may have become more seriously damaged or inflamed, maybe we will find that out.

Ya, I was referring to the surrounding cartilage. The way he injured and limped off the floor was reminiscent to Mike Redd when he tore off his ACL (which again, is probably not happened).

 

[Nikolokolus]

It won't be nearly as dramatic as some people think

 

[BGrantFan]

I'm assuming death, and anything short of that will be a positive for me.

 

[Weav]

So I am in the obvious minority, but I believe that if MF will build the missing meniscus, then lets get the damn surgery over. Technology has advanced, and Brandon could have a near full recovery. Sure, it will be 2013 before he would be 100%, but it still gives us hope. Look how well Amar'e has performed once he fully recovered.

Really, the big question in my mind about MF is if it really could build enough meniscus to matter. If it can't, which has been said by some, then dreading MF is unnecessary because it wouldn't occur.

 

[Blazinaway]

I'm assuming death, and anything short of that will be a positive for me.

LOL I'm expecting nothing earth shattering and probably something like Roy has to simply deal with and try to manage it. That is not necessarily a good thing but it is what it is.

 

[andalusian]

Whatever happens, happens...

I feel Brandon will be fine, might not be immediate, but I think he will come back and will still be a very good player, maybe not the super-star he was as often as he was, but I think he will be fine. I have no real basis to have this assumption, but there is no real basis for the doom and gloom that goes around - so...

Time will tell.

 

[jlprk]

Sure, it will be 2013 before he would be 100%, but it still gives us hope.

He collects his max contract without playing for only 3 years? Gilbert Arenas just heard and is scrambling to keep his record.

 

[Draco]

So I am in the obvious minority, but I believe that if MF will build the missing meniscus, then lets get the damn surgery over.

MF will not build any meniscus, it builds some tiny thin cartildge on the end of the actual bone similar to a small layer of tread on a tire. The meniscus is a much thicker pad between the bones. Once meniscus is gone you can never add it back.

Medical procedures have advanced greatly but we're not talking about having Roy at a level where he can live day to day life without issues or perform an active sporting activity on a few weekends; we're talking about trying to return him to a level of performance to be one of the top basketball players on the planet.

 

[Weav]

He collects his max contract without playing for only 3 years? Gilbert Arenas just heard and is scrambling to keep his record.

Well, it sucks but you either take a chance on helping Roy regain his former ability set, or you let him waste the rest of his career as a very average shooting guard. I'll take the high risk, high reward route myself. After all, it's Paul Allen's money, not mine.

 

[Draco]

Ya, I was referring to the surrounding cartilage. The way he injured and limped off the floor was reminiscent to Mike Redd when he tore off his ACL (which again, is probably not happened).

I tore my ACL and it hurt like fucking hell. I was on the floor cursing in pain, my knee swole up twice the size and I couldn't walk on it. Roy tweaked his knee, which could have caused some damage, but he most defeinetely did not tear his ACL.

 

[Weav]

MF will not build any meniscus, it builds some tiny thin cartildge on the end of the actual bone similar to a small layer of tread on a tire. The meniscus is a much thicker pad between the bones. Once meniscus is gone you can never add it back.

Thank you for the clarification, I was unaware of that. I just know a bunch of posters on here are throwing around MF as an option, and dreading it. I simply think you provide your franchise player any treatment necessary, and hope they regain their previous form.

I know a young woman who claims to know Roy's wife, or people who know Roy's wife, and she told me they are casually considering retirement. Frankly, I'm calling bravo sierra on the whole story, but that option has been whispered around. If his career as a premier guard is over, I'd rather see him medically retire so his salary falls off our cap. But again, I think it's all shenanigans.

 

[andalusian]

Meniscus transplant is definitely something that can be done

"The surgical procedure of meniscal transplantation has gained significant popularity in the US, with over 4000 meniscal transplants having already been performed to-date. Meniscal transplantation has been demonstrated to provide good pain relief, with success rates in excess of 80% at 5-years follow-up. Again, the real proof of this procedure will be the degree to which degenerative changes in the knee may be delayed or avoided in the long term."

http://www.privatehealth.co.uk/arti...rt-surgery-for-meniscal-cartilages-an-update/

Also - if the outer rim is available - re-growth can be done via implant and about 6 months of careful monitoring.

Hopefully it does not need to happen for Roy, but if there is a lockout next year...

I am going to repeat what I said in a different thread - they put artificial hearts in people... the meniscus is nothing as vital as a heart, it's a big rubber-washer...

 

[maxiep]

I'll wait to hear the results before I pull out my internet MD degree.

 

[Minstrel]

Meniscus transplant is definitely something that can be done

"The surgical procedure of meniscal transplantation has gained significant popularity in the US, with over 4000 meniscal transplants having already been performed to-date. Meniscal transplantation has been demonstrated to provide good pain relief, with success rates in excess of 80% at 5-years follow-up. Again, the real proof of this procedure will be the degree to which degenerative changes in the knee may be delayed or avoided in the long term."

http://www.privatehealth.co.uk/arti...rt-surgery-for-meniscal-cartilages-an-update/

Also - if the outer rim is available - re-growth can be done via implant and about 6 months of careful monitoring.

Hopefully it does not need to happen for Roy, but if there is a lockout next year...

I am going to repeat what I said in a different thread - they put artificial hearts in people... the meniscus is nothing as vital as a heart, it's a big rubber-washer...

At this point, it's starting to sound like it'll be scientifically easier and more cost-effective to simply build a brand new Brandon Roy from scratch.

If next year is wiped out to a lock out, as you note, golden opportunity.

 

[Nikolokolus]

So I am in the obvious minority, but I believe that if MF will build the missing meniscus, then lets get the damn surgery over. Technology has advanced, and Brandon could have a near full recovery. Sure, it will be 2013 before he would be 100%, but it still gives us hope. Look how well Amar'e has performed once he fully recovered.

Really, the big question in my mind about MF is if it really could build enough meniscus to matter. If it can't, which has been said by some, then dreading MF is unnecessary because it wouldn't occur.

MF does not 'rebuild' the meniscus ... in fact it doesn't have anything to do with the meniscus at all; MF creates a sort of 'scab' cartilage on the heads of the bone (articular cartilage) a meniscus is a sort of pad of cartilage that sits between the bones as a free body that cushions impact.

 

[maxiep]

A star shooting guard. A face of the franchise. A career tragically cut short by knee injuries. We Blazer fans have seen it before:

 

[Draco]

Meniscus transplant is definitely something that can be done

"The surgical procedure of meniscal transplantation has gained significant popularity in the US, with over 4000 meniscal transplants having already been performed to-date. Meniscal transplantation has been demonstrated to provide good pain relief, with success rates in excess of 80% at 5-years follow-up. Again, the real proof of this procedure will be the degree to which degenerative changes in the knee may be delayed or avoided in the long term."

http://www.privatehealth.co.uk/arti...rt-surgery-for-meniscal-cartilages-an-update/

Also - if the outer rim is available - re-growth can be done via implant and about 6 months of careful monitoring.

Hopefully it does not need to happen for Roy, but if there is a lockout next year...

I am going to repeat what I said in a different thread - they put artificial hearts in people... the meniscus is nothing as vital as a heart, it's a big rubber-washer...

Those are procedures to help people live day to day lives, to help them get up the stairs, to help them drive in a basic automatic car, to help them stay alive. They can put an artificial knee in people which can reduce pain so they can walk down the street, but you can never run with one, you could never partake in athletics.

We don’t live in a star trek society; to think major knee replacements could return a player to a level of performance of the top 100 basketball players on the planet is delusional.

 

[e_blazer]

Unless today's MRI shows that Brandon has a new injury, it's probable that he will be able to return to basketball and perform at a high level. This article in today's Oregonian throws a little better light on the subject than what I'm seeing in this thread:

http://www.oregonlive.com/health/index.ssf/2010/11/colin_hoobler_muscle-strengthe.html

 

[andalusian]

At this point, it's starting to sound like it'll be scientifically easier and more cost-effective to simply build a brand new Brandon Roy from scratch.

$6m in 1978 dollars (last year of the Steve Austin TV Show) is $20m today. With Brandon making $14m/year now - and next year being a lockout year, my calculations show that February (right around the all-star game) is the perfect time, money wise, to perform the operation.

Make it so, Cho, make it so.

 

[andalusian]

We don’t live in a star trek society; to think major knee replacements could return a player to a level of performance of the top 100 basketball players on the planet is delusional.

If we do not live in a star-trek society how do you explain my Klingon dictionary?

Heck, what Brandon really needs is an emergency holographic doctor.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Unless today's MRI shows that Brandon has a new injury, it's probable that he will be able to return to basketball and perform at a high level. This article in today's Oregonian throws a little better light on the subject than what I'm seeing in this thread:

http://www.oregonlive.com/health/index.ssf/2010/11/colin_hoobler_muscle-strengthe.html

That is pretty encouraging. Hopefully the strength and conditioning team and medical team can get it right.

 

[Natebishop3]

If we have to lose a star to early retirement, I'd rather it be a shooting guard. It's easiest position to replace by far (see - Wes Matthews vs Memphis Grizzlies).

 

[Natebishop3]

That is pretty encouraging. Hopefully the strength and conditioning team and medical team can get it right.

We're doomed!