Trade idea: Portland/Philadelphia

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First off, this trade is going to look a little weak from the Blazers side, but I think that it actually makes some sense and would help both teams.

Trade
Portland trades:
Steve Blake
Travis Outlaw

Philadelphia trades:
Andre Miller


Why for First off, this trade is going to look a little weak from the Blazers side, but I think that it actually makes some sense and would help both teams.

Trade
Portland trades:
Steve Blake
Travis Outlaw

Philadelphia trades:
Andre Miller


Why for Philadelphia
They are in 10th place in the east and need to shake things up if they are going to make the playoffs. And if they don't make the playoffs, at least the get something nice for their future in exchange for an expiring contract. Blake can play the point there replacing Miller, and Outlaw will really help them.

Why for Portland
They get a good PG vet to help control and get the right people the ball. He is better than Blake and will help keep the opposing PG's from killing us on the perimeter. With Webster, Batum, Rudy et al, I think that the Blazers would be fine without Outlaw. Then, at the end of the year, the Blazers could make a decision to either resign Miller to a smaller contract, or have his 10 mil come off the book along with Raef's, and really allow KP lots of room to do the voodoo that he do. If KP thinks that Bayless and Sergio can man the PG spot in the future, then not resigning Miller would be real easy.







P.S. If you see this trade on another Blazer board, I did that by mistake, I should just delete the hyperlink.
 
It would be a good trade for us but I don't think it works for Phili for 2 reasons
1. Blake would be a down grade from Miller
2. Phili is set at forward positions (Outlaw is actually probably better than Thadeus at this point though)

Maybe if we threw in draft picks it would work.
 
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bluefrog said:
It would be a good trade for us but I don't think it works for Phili for 2 reasons
1. Blake would be a down grade from Miller
2. Phili is set at the SF and PF positions (although they could slide Iguodala over to SG)

Maybe if we threw in draft picks it would work.
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Outlaw would be a big upgrade as backup SF and PF. Also, the combo of Outlaw and Blake would give them more shooting to open things up for Brand and Iggy to work.
 
We could just wait a year and pickup either Miller or Bibby in free agency w/o having to give away Outlaw.
 
Just what I was going to say, I don't think they really would want/need Outlaw much when they have Thaddeus and are very high on him.
 
I think I just saw Miller chuck up a 40 footer with 3 seconds left on the clock the other night. No thanks.
 
Dre Miller, this isn't 2002, no thank you! Hell, give me Blake over him and I am not a huge Blake guy.
 
Andre Miller from last year, I'd love to acquire him. And Philadelphia would be ill-advised to give him up. But this year, Miller has been worse...due largely to a significant drop in his scoring efficiency. His Assist Rate is also down a bit.

While it could be just statistical variance over a small sample, considering he's on the wrong side of the age curve, I'd probably rather not gamble Outlaw on whether Miller is just in a slump or declining.
 
unrestricted FA after this year. not that we'd want to blow our cap space on an aging career .200 3P shooter, but if we did we could just wait until the summer and sign him then without giving up anybody.
 
I've been an advocate of this very trade before, and told to stop dreaming (because Andre was so good he was out of reach). I actually like the move for both teams as consolidation for us and a boost for them.

Why it works ON-court:
For us Miller is a much better floor general than Blake and always gets guys the ball where they want it. He leads a break tremendously and provides size in the backcourt also. He plays hard every night, can finish well, and knows how to play off the ball. MILLER DOES NOT SHOOT WELL, but his poor shooting is exaggerated because a lot of his attempts are end of buzzer bail-outs, which Roy shoots for us now. However he only does what he does best, and that's a nice thing in and of itself. Miller is at his best when surrounded by shooters. Doing this move would hinge upon Webster going back into the starting lineup, and I think if he shoots it well, then Miller would thrive here. Over in Philly Brand is arguably their best starting shooter, no one shoots it well from deep, that's why Miller's having a hard time (and all Cheeks is calling is iso). Miller is also proven to be healthy over the course of his career. He definitely makes things easier for our bigs also. Our rotation is still pretty well set:

Miller/Sergio
Roy/Rudy
Webster/Batum
Aldridge/Frye
Oden/Pryzbilla
with: Bayless, Diogu, and Randolph on the bench

For them they need shooting, terribly! Teams are doubling down on Brand and Iggy and Philly can't make them pay (partially because Mo can't shoot) mainly because no one can spread the floor over there. Blake and Outlaw would both be upgrades in shooting, and cater more to Philly's strengths (as a half-court team). I think it makes them a better team, and more able to iso Iggy and Brand. With Blake they can slide Iggy down to a SG and start Young at SF, while having Outlaw back up the 3 and Speights back up the 4.

Why it works OFF-court:
We still head to the playoffs, and while it may temporarily disrupt chemistry established, we don't lose essential cogs and open up time for other deserving players. Contractually, we clear even more cap space this summer and get to make decisions based on Bayless, Sergio, and Koponen's development while having the assurance of good play from the 2-guards.

23 million in cap space this summer (before renouncing Frye)

They also retain full flexibility (wouldn't look so bad for them not to pick up TO's) and really don't risk a ton. Miller is planning on leaving already (has said multiple times he's a west coast guy) and they're not contendors as of now (at least in current form).

I'd pull the trigger on this sucker probably, but I'd rather hold out for Steve Nash if there's ANY way of getting him. (Miller+1year+shooting)
 
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bluefrog said:
It would be a good trade for us but I don't think it works for Phili for 2 reasons
1. Blake would be a down grade from Miller
2. Phili is set at forward positions (Outlaw is actually probably better than Thadeus at this point though)

Maybe if we threw in draft picks it would work.
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1. Blakes shooting would open up the floor for Iggy and Brand to create more effectively.
2. Iggy could slide down to 2G with this move.
 
Iggy IS their 2 guard. Their 3 is Young, and he is awesome. He IS better than Outlaw. Young has single handedly kept them in games, and he is on his way to being a star...

Maybe they do Blake/Outlaw for Miller, but not because they need a SF, but Outlaw would be a nice backup SF/PF.
 
MrJayremmie said:
Iggy IS their 2 guard. Their 3 is Young, and he is awesome. He IS better than Outlaw. Young has single handedly kept them in games, and he is on his way to being a star...

Maybe they do Blake/Outlaw for Miller, but not because they need a SF, but Outlaw would be a nice backup SF/PF.
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maybe on paper but that hasn't been successful yet. You can't have neither your PG or SG be able to shoot from distance in this league and expect a post guy to excel.
 
^If you don't think it is successful then why did you recommend sliding him down to the 2 guard in your previous post? If that is what you are talking about.

While Iggy isn't a great shooter from outside, getting Iggy and Young on the floor as much as possible, along with Miller and Brand gives them the best chance to win.

A lineup they could try is...

PG - Miller
SG - Williams/Green
SF - Iggy
PF - Young
C - Brand

But I think their Miller, Iggy, Young, Brand, Dalambert lineup is good. They will learn to play together eventually and be good. They came on strong at the end of last year. They will probably do the same thing again.

Anyway, IDK why i'm talkin' about the Sixers, lol.
 
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