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Just stop with this stuff, it's pathetic

Facts are pathetic?

I'm just reminding people that he has done some great stuff for us. Stellar three point shooting, clutch FTs at the end of victories. What is your problem? What are you disagreeing with? I post facts. Find me a SINGLE game that we lost because Travis missed clutch FTs. You can't. Cuz it doesn't exist.
 
Facts are pathetic?

I'm just reminding people that he has done some great stuff for us. Stellar three point shooting, clutch FTs at the end of victories. What is your problem? What are you disagreeing with? I post facts. Find me a SINGLE game that we lost because Travis missed clutch FTs. You can't. Cuz it doesn't exist.

1st of all I'm talking more in the general sense of you starting millions of fucking threads about Outlaws play without seemingly ever acknowledging a single flaw or mistake, or making some excuse for it.

His poor decision making has put this team in bad situations late in games, like the 1st home game vs the Spurs, the loss in Utah (where he did miss a key free throw with 5 mins left in the game that would have made it a 1 possession game), and tonight's horrible last possession. He's shooting 21% from the field in crunch time, including missing key shots in the games I mentioned along with going 0-4 in the final 5 minutes of regulation + OT in the win against Houston.

Your constant lopsided Outlaw slurping is just annoying as fuck.
 
Good point. But I still want him in the game because he's unafraid at the end of games. He can hit the three. He can grab big rebounds. Play clutch defense. And he hit so many clutch shots last season.
 
Good point. But I still want him in the game because he's unafraid at the end of games. He can hit the three. He can grab big rebounds. Play clutch defense. And he hit so many clutch shots last season.

I'm not saying he doesn't have his positives, he certainly does and I'm learning to love him when he makes the right play or makes a big end of the shot clock shot to lift the team from a slump (like the jumper in Minny he hit with a hand in his face when Roy couldn't get a clean look). But you have to take, and IMO acknowledge, the bad with the good with Outlaw. Like in today's game thread, your all over the place with "Oden Bust" "Rudy Bust" etc etc but you never once criticize a guy who goes 4-12 from the field and 2-6 from the line? Sorry for a being a dick earlier but I just had to call out what I think is a very biased opinion.

He made a bad play at the end, and missed some clutch free throws, but we still won the game and I'm still in a pretty damn good mood, I just don't see the need to start a new thread defending him after the game he played tonight. It wasn't his best game, and he deserves some criticism for it, but it'll blow over. :pimp:
 
I started this thread because on another thread, someone said that we needed a SF who could make FTs in tight games. I set out to document what I had seen earlier in the season, which was him winning games with his FT shooting. As for "Rudy bust" and "Oden bust" threads, I was joking but Outlaw DID play better and helped us win better than both of those guys tonight. Rudy has only made 2 of his last 11 three pointers and Oden was 1 of 3 from the field tonight and turned the ball over 4 times.
 
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I am officially done with the Travis Outlaw experiment. I came around when he played out of his mind, but he is just too dumb, and too inconsistent for me to think he'll avar be anything more than a 6th or 7th guy.

Batum is already better at defense and rebounding. (dear stat geeks, Batum might not grab as many rebounds, but blocks his man out and plays the rebound better than Travis)
 
I am officially done with the Travis Outlaw experiment. I came around when he played out of his mind, but he is just too dumb, and too inconsistent for me to think he'll avar be anything more than a 6th or 7th guy.

Batum is already better at defense and rebounding. (dear stat geeks, Batum might not grab as many rebounds, but blocks his man out and plays the rebound better than Travis)


fully agree TO = Fool's Gold, he has a few good games then its the same old shit - we need to move him, especially when Webs gets back
 
Fools gold is a great desciption.

"Fool's Gold" shut down John Salmons on the last possession last night. Salmons even traveled, but the incompetent NBA refs didn't see fit to call it.

9-6 and some people are "over experiments", and unfortunately, that is one of the more reasoned takes in terms of the hyper-criticizers.
 
"Fool's Gold" shut down John Salmons on the last possession last night. Salmons even traveled, but the incompetent NBA refs didn't see fit to call it.

Giving up a point blank shot in the lane that hit the back of the rim does not equal "shutting down"

Even if Salmons traveled big-time on the play and the shot attempt should never had counted.

(And yes, Outlaw is fool's gold, as others are noting).
 
Giving up a point blank shot in the lane that hit the back of the rim does not equal "shutting down"
Even if Salmons traveled big-time on the play and the shot attempt should never had counted.

(And yes, Outlaw is fool's gold, as others are noting).

Outlaw shuts down Salmons, gets him to travel, then bothers him so he misses a short shot, and he still doesn't get credit for it. :dunno:
 
Outlaw shuts down Salmons, gets him to travel, then bothers him so he misses a short shot, and he still doesn't get credit for it. :dunno:

Congrats, he defended a guy who got in the lane and missed.

I was so wrong about Travis! What was I thinking! Everyone else would have just let him score for free.
 
Congrats, he defended a guy who got in the lane and missed.

I was so wrong about Travis! What was I thinking! Everyone else would have just let him score for free.

I have no clue what you are thinking. Why don't you present an argument to support your obvious dislike of Travis Outlaw?
 
I have no clue what you are thinking. Why don't you present an argument to support your obvious dislike of Travis Outlaw?

Don't assume I dislike Travis because I don't think he's as good a player as you do.

I love Travis. I enjoy the good portions of his game. I love his spot-up three point shooting. I love his defense when he IS able to stay focused on the defensive end.

But I despise anything he does that involves dribbling the ball. The stretches of lost focus on the defensive end. The random mistakes through the game (like fouling SAC and giving two free throws for no reason just a few possessions before the end!).

He makes good plays. But he makes very bad plays too. I like Travis, but he's reached a point where his cons have overridden his pros, unless he shows signs of sudden growth... in his sixth year (!) in the league.

Many people complained that everyone overreacted to Jarrett Jack last season. He was traded, and we're just fine without him. We'll be fine without Travis too. While we'll lose his random heroics, hopefully we'll get a more stable overall game from his replacement, so the heroics are less necessary.

So stop banding around words like "dislike" when you really are trying to justify your own opinions by bringing anyone else down who disagrees with you as simply having an overemotional day or something.
 
Don't assume I dislike Travis because I don't think he's as good a player as you do.

I love Travis. I enjoy the good portions of his game. I love his spot-up three point shooting. I love his defense when he IS able to stay focused on the defensive end.

But I despise anything he does that involves dribbling the ball. The stretches of lost focus on the defensive end. The random mistakes through the game (like fouling SAC and giving two free throws for no reason just a few possessions before the end!).

He makes good plays. But he makes very bad plays too. I like Travis, but he's reached a point where his cons have overridden his pros, unless he shows signs of sudden growth... in his sixth year (!) in the league.

Many people complained that everyone overreacted to Jarrett Jack last season. He was traded, and we're just fine without him. We'll be fine without Travis too. While we'll lose his random heroics, hopefully we'll get a more stable overall game from his replacement, so the heroics are less necessary.

So stop banding around words like "dislike" when you really are trying to justify your own opinions by bringing anyone else down who disagrees with you as simply having an overemotional day or something.

My "opinion" was that he defended Salmons and Salmons didn't score. It's actually a fact that you disagreed with, and since you had the opinion on that play, I'd say you are being "OVEREMOTIONAL".
 
My "opinion" was that he defended Salmons and Salmons didn't score. It's actually a fact that you disagreed with, and since you had the opinion on that play, I'd say you are being "OVEREMOTIONAL".

Yep. You're right. Everyone's wrong, and you're right. The rest of us are overemotional when we disagree with you. It couldn't just be the one side sees more cons than pros, and other sees more pros than cons. My bad.

I dread the threads here the day KP trades Travis. It's going to be brutal on both sides.
 
Yep. You're right. Everyone's wrong, and you're right. The rest of us are overemotional when we disagree with you. It couldn't just be the one side sees more cons than pros, and other sees more pros than cons. My bad.

I dread the threads here the day KP trades Travis. It's going to be brutal on both sides.

Actually, the one consistent theme I see are posters who will tear down Blazer players no matter what happens. Why, some even disagree with the fact that Outlaw stopped Salmons from scoring on the last play of the game. Is it all rosy? Of course not, but I save my posts for the hyper-critical posters, and you seem to fall into that category.

Is Outlaw an All-Star? Of course not, but like it or not, the team tends to win close games when he is on the court at the end. This makes it 17-6 over the past two years in games of 5 or less, I believe.
 
I still think Webster would have defended Salmons better; Webster moves his feet FAR better than Travis on Defense. I'm looking forward to his return.
 
Actually, the one consistent theme I see are posters who will tear down Blazer players no matter what happens. Why, some even disagree with the fact that Outlaw stopped Salmons from scoring on the last play of the game. Is it all rosy? Of course not, but I save my posts for the hyper-critical posters, and you seem to fall into that category.

Take a little time to read up on my posts if you get time. I don't post often, but I'm rarely hyper-critical. I simply disagree that Travis is all that important in the bigger picture. I firmly believe that if you put the average SF into Travis' place, we'd either have zero change, or a very small lift or drop-off. That's not actually negative about Travis, but I simply think we can do better and be more consistent. I'm really unsure if Martell is it, though Batum really has amazing promise.

At this point, I'm simply making sure there's some disagreeing views after post, and post, and post of people saying "look how great Travis is!".

At best, he's average with good nights. At worst, he's actively hindering the team. Not unlike Oden's last few games... but if Oden was hindering the team in his sixth season, while having minor breakout moments in between lulls, I'd be mightily concerned and feel the same way.

I'm not hyper-critical, and I didn't take it lightly when I unboarded the Outlaw train. I don't think he'll ever become consistent, and I think his heroics have become a bit overrated.

If he hadn't fouled Sacramento (and not even on a shot attempt!) two plays earlier, then taken a questionable shot on the previous offensive possession, we may never have been in a situation where you and I are arguing over that last play. In a nutshell, that's my frustration with Travis, and his up/down play is the only thing in which I find he's consistent.
 
My "opinion" was that he defended Salmons and Salmons didn't score. It's actually a fact that you disagreed with, and since you had the opinion on that play, I'd say you are being "OVEREMOTIONAL".



I think what he is trying to say is that Travis' defense didn't cause the miss. He was guarding him, but Salmons went right by him and had a fairly easy shot that didn't go in. Yes he traveled, but you keep saying it is fact that Travis guarded him and he missed. While true he didn't miss because Travis guarded him.

Travis is a bad basketball player. He doesn't understand rotations, spacing, or help defense.

Travis is a great athlete. He can get his shot at will, and can leap out of the building.
 
I think what he is trying to say is that Travis' defense didn't cause the miss. He was guarding him, but Salmons went right by him and had a fairly easy shot that didn't go in. Yes he traveled, but you keep saying it is fact that Travis guarded him and he missed. While true he didn't miss because Travis guarded him.

Yup. Travis defended the play, but Salmons simply missed. He'd likely have missed against many players there, it was nothing specific to Outlaw's defense.

It's not like how Roy handled Joe Johnson in the clutch last year, leaving us all with our mouths open. There was no question Roy shut him down.

(Also agreed on Travis's crazy athleticism. That and his great reach weren't noted in my Pro's list earlier, my bad)
 
Yup. Travis defended the play, but Salmons simply missed. He'd likely have missed against many players there, it was nothing specific to Outlaw's defense.

It's not like how Roy handled Joe Johnson in the clutch last year, leaving us all with our mouths open. There was no question Roy shut him down.

(Also agreed on Travis's crazy athleticism. That and his great reach weren't noted in my Pro's list earlier, my bad)



The problem with Travis' Pro's are that Batum has the same one's, but has got to be at least 100 points higher in basketball IQ
 
The problem with Travis' Pro's are that Batum has the same one's, but has got to be at least 100 points higher in basketball IQ

He is what he is. He's a solid, undersized PF, who has improved his game from one-dimensional to multi-faceted. We needed him last year a lot more than we necessarily need him now, but he's still very valuable to the team and the success they've had so far.

I would agree with most of your comments if they're were said last year, but this year, overall, I'm pretty excited at what he can do for us in a reserve role and, at times, in he closing minutes of the game.
 

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