OT UFC legend BJ Penn got knocked out by some random, half-naked guy

[TorturedBlazerFan]

You forgot to drop the mic because you just ended this debate.

Not really.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Who are the legends of Cricket? Just cause you don't follow it doesn't mean they aren't legends. Top cricketers can earn 15+ million/year. This year Virat Kohli is earning 24 million. Giant fan bases and superstardom in India.

I guess if we define it by those who transcend the sport there maybe aren't any at least in America. If were defining it by the greatest of the greats in a sport then its different. Language is interesting like that.

Like honestly if we think about it as the former, Im not sure the NFL has any (maybe Montana?), but by the latter they certainly have greats and players that are considered legends by the fans of the sport.

 

[hoopsjock]

Not really.

I guess if we define it by those who transcend the sport there maybe aren't any at least in America. If were defining it by the greatest of the greats in a sport then its different. Language is interesting like that.

Like honestly if we think about it as the former, Im not sure the NFL has any (maybe Montana?), but by the latter they certainly have greats and players that are considered legends by the fans of the sport.

Huh, you argue with my agreement with a point that no one knows who the legends of cricket are but then go on to say that the NFL doesn't really have legends? C'mon man.

I think the problem here is that some people are saying you have to be a household name in order to be a legend. Those are two different things. My wife or my mom have never heard of BJ Penn but that doesn't mean he isn't a legend to UFC fans. They know who Ronda Rousey is because she's been in some shows and movies they've seen.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Huh, you argue with my agreement with a point that no one knows who the legends of cricket are but then go on to say that the NFL doesn't really have legends? C'mon man.

I think the problem here is that some people are saying you have to be a household name in order to be a legend. Those are two different things. My wife or my mom have never heard of BJ Penn but that doesn't mean he isn't a legend to UFC fans. They know who Ronda Rousey is because she's been in some shows and movies they've seen.

I said that if we define a legend by famous to people who dont follow the sport or know the sport Im not sure the NFL has that. I am probably to close to that to know who is a “household” name for non NFL fans. If we define it by legends of the sport to the fans of course the NFL has legends by that definition.

 

[Further]

I guess if we define it by those who transcend the sport there maybe aren't any at least in America. If were defining it by the greatest of the greats in a sport then its different. Language is interesting like that.

Like honestly if we think about it as the former, Im not sure the NFL has any (maybe Montana?), but by the latter they certainly have greats and players that are considered legends by the fans of the sport.

No matter how you define it except in terms of America. The IPL (cricket) players can earn tens of millions a year yet ticket prices are between $7 and $56 (I just looked it up). So, how do the players make so much? Because they are stars. They have massive followings and they can sell just like NFL players. Imagine how much they would be earning if India was a richer country with NFL priced tickets. The legends of cricket are at the top of their sport just as NFL players, they have giant fan bases, they sell tickets, jerseys and advertise the heck out of products.

 

[Jade Falcon]

I didn't know BJ Penn was such a douche. But I guess with a name like BJ, it kind of comes with the territory.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

No matter how you define it except in terms of America. The IPL (cricket) players can earn tens of millions a year yet ticket prices are between $7 and $56 (I just looked it up). So, how do the players make so much? Because they are stars. They have massive followings and they can sell just like NFL players. Imagine how much they would be earning if India was a richer country with NFL priced tickets. The legends of cricket are at the top of their sport just as NFL players, they have giant fan bases, they sell tickets, jerseys and advertise the heck out of products.

Ok, but whether they make a lot of money or have fans isn't the same conversation...

 

[Further]

Ok, but whether they make a lot of money or have fans isn't the same conversation...

Please explain your qualifications for legend that doesn’t include being top in the field (setting records, winning tournaments...), having huge fan bases where your name is known by millions and millions, selling products on your fame and earning massive salaries due to stardom. What am I missing aside from YOU not knowing about them?

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Please explain your qualifications for legend that doesn’t include being top in the field (setting records, winning tournaments...), having huge fan bases where your name is known by millions and millions, selling products on your fame and earning massive salaries due to stardom. What am I missing aside from YOU not knowing about them?

I never said anything about if I know about them. I said exactly what I meant, many sports figures are legends that grow outside of the sport and are known by "millions" who don't follow or care about sports. Those type of legends are "rare", the one who is a household name to those who don't follow a sport, or know anything about sports. Then there are legends of a sport who are known by basically the fans, and that can be millions of people but their popularity doesn't really go outside of the fan base of a sport, those are also legends to some, but they don't fit the criteria of the first one.
Saying they make a lot of money, well ok.
I'm saying Cricket in America probably has legends that fit criteria two but I don't know if they have any that fit legend one. I don't follow, Golf, Boxing, MMA, and I know a few of those guys, but more importantly than just whether I know them, I'd venture to guess millions of people who don't follow those sports know of them, thus they transcended the sport itself and fit criteria one.

 

[Hobbesarable]

Saying or describing each sport's legends is entirely subjective.

However, you can go on to make a definition with subset rules to define it even further with differing groups of people, such as hardcore fans, casual fans, sports fans in general, non sports fans, etc.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Isn't BJ Penn also a big influence on the 135 pound weight division and why it's around?

 

[kjironman1]

I wasn't really going to comment on this until i read this?

Im not sure the NFL has any (maybe Montana?),

Lombardi? Anyone? The NFL has not only players but coaches and venues that are legendary.
How many legendary Soccer players can you name? Are you saying the most widely played sport in the world has no legends also?

 

[kjironman1]

Now as far as Penn getting knocked out. Watch that video. He went down but was getting up pretty quickly. The people involved probably saved him from a ferocious beat down.
The other issue here is the guy he was fighting was quite a bit bigger. Weight and size does matter. Don't care who you are and how bad you are. If you are fighting a bigger guy you better watch out. Yes a smaller guy can win. But the odds are always in the bigger guys favor. Penn was out sized in that fight by quite a bit.

No excuse for a professional fighter to be brawling in the streets. I taught Jiu Jitsu for years to teens. The first thing you teach them is that it's self defense and that it is left for the cage/ring until you absolutely need it outside of the cage/ring. For the most part it is a terrific for cross training and reaching personal goals.

BJ Penn seems to have forgot the basic rules of the game. If he ever knew them in the first place?

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I wasn't really going to comment on this until i read this?


Lombardi? Anyone? The NFL has not only players but coaches and venues that are legendary.
How many legendary Soccer players can you name? Are you saying the most widely played sport in the world has no legends also?

No Im saying Im way too close to football or basketball probably to know, how many of them have name recognition outside of the sports world.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I wasn't really going to comment on this until i read this?


Lombardi? Anyone? The NFL has not only players but coaches and venues that are legendary.
How many legendary Soccer players can you name? Are you saying the most widely played sport in the world has no legends also?

Like for instance I work with a bunch of engineers who basically hate sports. They know my MJ references but in terms of football even saying Tom Brady I am returned with Blank stares.

I dont know, Im not sure why I jumped into this conversation other than one poster somewhere up there brought up he had never heard of the guy was he a “legend” and I find sport terminology interesting, what does, “legend”, “Elite”, “Superstar”, etc mean? It means different thing to different people.

 

[Natebishop3]

MMA still isn't mainstream enough to have its legends household names. You sound like a person who has never paid attention to basketball saying that Bill Russell isn't a legend because they'd never heard of him. So please realize that you don't know enough about MMA to say who is and isn't a legend.

I guess I just find the use of the word "legend" to be wrong in my opinion.

Star? Sure.

But most legends from other sports are household names.... hell.... there are even some UFC fighters who are household names that I have heard of, and I haven't heard of this dude.

I'm sure there are plenty of NBA stars who we would consider to be legends but most people have never heard of. Bill Russell was so long ago that it's not really out of the question that someone wouldn't have heard of him. But I don't know why you're turning this into a pissing match about UFC knowledge. My lack of knowledge about the UFC is my entire point about why the guy isn't really a legend. I pay attention to sports. I have heard of and watched UFC fights. I have never heard of the dude. How legendary could he be?

 

[speeds]

I guess I just find the use of the word "legend" to be wrong in my opinion.

Star? Sure.

But most legends from other sports are household names.... hell.... there are even some UFC fighters who are household names that I have heard of, and I haven't heard of this dude.

I'm sure there are plenty of NBA stars who we would consider to be legends but most people have never heard of. Bill Russell was so long ago that it's not really out of the question that someone wouldn't have heard of him. But I don't know why you're turning this into a pissing match about UFC knowledge. My lack of knowledge about the UFC is my entire point about why the guy isn't really a legend. I pay attention to sports. I have heard of and watched UFC fights. I have never heard of the dude. How legendary could he be?

I think there are crossover stars who transcend their own sport like Jennie Finch but I couldn't tell you if she was a legend or not. Seems separate from earned status within the discipline. BJ was one of the first fighters to hold UFC championships in multiple weight classes, he's a Hall of Famer and arguably the GOAT for the lightweight class. He's also a piece of shit.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[Orion Bailey]

I have heard of Anderson Silva.

I have heard of Chuck Liddell.

I have heard of Randy Couture.

That's basically it.

More legends in the UFC than that. Whether you know of them or not, is irrelevant.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I was a BJ Penn fan as well but he never could be get pet past GSP.

And another legend. Man that weight class was soooo good at first. by the time BJ met Penn he was past his prime I think though, no?

 

[Natebishop3]

More legends in the UFC than that. Whether you know of them or not, is irrelevant.

How do you define a legend? How many legends are there in NBA history? In NFL history? How do you compare a legend with a star or a superstar? Is Dame a legend? Is Roy a legend? Is someone like Kevin Love a legend?

 

[Orion Bailey]

How do you define a legend? How many legends are there in NBA history? In NFL history? How do you compare a legend with a star or a superstar? Is Dame a legend? Is Roy a legend? Is someone like Kevin Love a legend?

Well, i certainly wouldn't put the foundational basis on popularity, which it seems you are saying.

If that were the case then Yao Ming is the greatest legend of all right? Most all star votes. Millions and millions of people know about him all over the world.

I would put emphasis on being a winner and trendsetter in the sport they play in.

Im sure there are also some race car driver legends, Many hockey legends that i don't know of because i never pay attention to the sport and aren't around people that do.

Household name doesn't qualify a legendary status anymore than some of these shitty bands i see with tons of friends and followers from their high school days. Popular they are. Local legends they are not.

 

[kjironman1]

Well, i certainly wouldn't put the foundational basis on popularity, which it seems you are saying.

If that were the case then Yao Ming is the greatest legend of all right? Most all star votes. Millions and millions of people know about him all over the world.

I would put emphasis on being a winner and trendsetter in the sport they play in.

Im sure there are also some race car driver legends, Many hockey legends that i don't know of because i never pay attention to the sport and aren't around people that do.

Household name doesn't qualify a legendary status anymore than some of these shitty bands i see with tons of friends and followers from their high school days. Popular they are. Local legends they are not.

Who is a legend to Yao Ming? Might be a very telling answer?

 

[Orion Bailey]

Wouldnt the ‘Legends”, transcend the sport though. I bet most people on the planet whether fans of the sports or not, know the names, “Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, Ali”, to name a few.

Mpossibly, but shouldnt be the basis of legendary status.

Isn't BJ Penn also a big influence on the 135 pound weight division and why it's around?

Huge influence. Him and Jens basically created the class.

Who is a legend to Yao Ming? Might be a very telling answer?

Me!

 

[kjironman1]

Me!

Of this i am certain!

 

[Orion Bailey]

Of this i am certain!

Hahaha

 

[kjironman1]

Hahaha

Time for you to chose another player. Jake is gone now. Who's it gonna be?

 

[BigGameDamian]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mm...kout-video-try-to-give-him-hug-he-hits-me-mma

BJ Penn explains bar fight knockout video: ‘I tried to give him a hug and he hit me’

 

[BigGameDamian]