Uh Oh Donald

[e_blazer]

Full scale Trump tantrum yesterday. Calling Iowans stupid and comparing your opponent to a child molester is always a good way to show you have the stability to be president.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/11/13/trump-rips-ben-carson-backstory-in-marathon-iowa-speech/

 

[julius]

In before Mags blah blah blah.

 

[stampedehero]

I believe the first great quality of a President is diplomacy and patience . Trump prooved he is incapable of either and certainly not worth the endorsement of rational people. .

 

[magnifier661]

I thought it was perfect branding...

Also, on Morning Joe this morning, they mockingly used "I would bomb the shit out of ISIS held oil fields" to question the WH rep what they are doing with ISIS right now. The response was "We are bombing their oil fields to take away their revenue stream". First report of this btw...

Here's a nice montage to watch on Friday the 13th

 

[PDXFonz]

Branding? Is that what trump is going to do to keep track of US citizens? I bet the wealthy get tattoo's, the poor will be lucky to get some aloe Vera to stave off infection.

 

[magnifier661]

Branding? Is that what trump is going to do to keep track of US citizens? I bet the wealthy get tattoo's, the poor will be lucky to get some aloe Vera to stave off infection.

Nope, he will stop welfare funding, punish businesses seriously for hiring them and build the damn wall. What difference does it make if you ship them out 2 days or 1 year when they come "illegally" in the US?

"illegal" and "law abiding" is an oxymoron.

 

[magnifier661]

Just watched Carson on CNN and he said "I know Trump did not call me a molester. It's funny how the media is trying to twist his words"

 

[Denny Crane]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ea88a6-895b-11e5-be8b-1ae2e4f50f76_story.html

Time for GOP panic? Establishment worried Carson or Trump might win

 

[Sedatedfork]

You would think Romney would be appealing.

 

[barfo]

Sarah Palin is available.

barfo

 

[magnifier661]

Sarah Palin is available.

barfo

D'oh!!!

 

[magnifier661]

You would think Romney would be appealing.

Absolutely not! He choked on an election that was his to lose. I would rather have any of the field, other than Carly and Carson, than Romney.

 

[WarriorFan]

Nope, he will stop welfare funding, punish businesses seriously for hiring them and build the damn wall. What difference does it make if you ship them out 2 days or 1 year when they come "illegally" in the US?

"illegal" and "law abiding" is an oxymoron.

Mags, do you (and I'm using you as a proxy for everyone who says to send the illegals back) think this is actually possible? How would you round everyone up? Get them across the border? Even if you can, aren't you going to create a group of millions of people who are all upset with the US right next to our border? I would think with the constant worry of terrorism it wouldn't be great to have an angry mob at our doorstep.

Also, logistics aside, don't you think it's cruel to take parents away from their kids? I know they came here illegally, but isn't ripping a family apart as least as bad as what they did?

 

[magnifier661]

Mags, do you (and I'm using you as a proxy for everyone who says to send the illegals back) think this is actually possible? How would you round everyone up? Get them across the border? Even if you can, aren't you going to create a group of millions of people who are all upset with the US right next to our border? I would think with the constant worry of terrorism it wouldn't be great to have an angry mob at our doorstep.

Also, logistics aside, don't you think it's cruel to take parents away from their kids? I know they came here illegally, but isn't ripping a family apart as least as bad as what they did?

There is a break down with how you can do it.

1.) build the wall to avoid new illegals
2.) make it a felony for any business that is caught hiring illegal (already a federal law that isn't enforced)
3.) Take away ALL welfare programs for illegals
4.) ship out every illegal that has committed a crime or in Prison.
5.) set up a program to expedite the citizenship of existing illegals.
6.) remove all sanctuary city funding

When the welfare and jobs are gone, they will leave on their own.

 

[Sedatedfork]

It sounds like you are comparing illegal immigrants to vermin.

 

[magnifier661]

It sounds like you are comparing illegal immigrants to vermin.

I'm treating them no different than someone that breaks into my house and steals my shit.

Will you let people in yours?

 

[barfo]

There is a break down with how you can do it.

1.) build the wall to avoid new illegals
2.) make it a felony for any business that is caught hiring illegal (already a federal law that isn't enforced)
3.) Take away ALL welfare programs for illegals
4.) ship out every illegal that has committed a crime or in Prison.
5.) set up a program to expedite the citizenship of existing illegals.
6.) remove all sanctuary city funding

When the welfare and jobs are gone, they will leave on their own.

This sounds like the Mags platform rather than the Trump platform? You don't mention anything about deporting 11M people, just criminals, which are a much smaller number.

barfo

 

[magnifier661]

This sounds like the Mags platform rather than the Trump platform? You don't mention anything about deporting 11M people, just criminals, which are a much smaller number.

barfo

No, the starting point is getting them out. Once you take away their entitlements and jobs, they will leave on their own.

 

[WarriorFan]

There is a break down with how you can do it.

1.) build the wall to avoid new illegals
2.) make it a felony for any business that is caught hiring illegal (already a federal law that isn't enforced)
3.) Take away ALL welfare programs for illegals
4.) ship out every illegal that has committed a crime or in Prison.
5.) set up a program to expedite the citizenship of existing illegals.
6.) remove all sanctuary city funding

When the welfare and jobs are gone, they will leave on their own.

OK, I'd be for all that. But jsut to be clear, this means no shipping out everyone and having them come back through proper channels? Isn't step 5 just amnesty with more paperwork? I'm all for it and think it's the only realistic option but I'm surprised to see you say that.

 

[blue32]

No, the starting point is getting them out. Once you take away their entitlements and jobs, they will leave on their own.

One could only hope...... the fact that illegals can get drivers licenses is beyond me.

 

[magnifier661]

OK, I'd be for all that. But jsut to be clear, this means no shipping out everyone and having them come back through proper channels? Isn't step 5 just amnesty with more paperwork? I'm all for it and think it's the only realistic option but I'm surprised to see you say that.

I don't believe it's the same as the proposed "amnesty" that was trying to pass.

 

[barfo]

Mags, I think you and Mr. Trump are at odds on this issue. (Not that there is anything wrong with that). He's definitely not proposing "self-deportation".

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

You don't mention anything about deporting 11M people

Well, the 11M are law breakers. But heck, you don't have to deport them, just crack down and enforce existing law. It is unlawful to employ non documented people, them must be citizens or
green card holders, so enforce the law, starting with the employers. No job, no reason to be here because there are no jobs to be found. They all go home. Perhaps we could be
compassionate, and provide a bus ticket to Tijuana for those in need.

Funny the hub hub about what Trump said about Carson! I didn't see where he compared him to a child molester. Seems like a moron might make that leap though.

 

[barfo]

Well, the 11M are law breakers.

Yes. But I think Mags was talking about those that broke not only immigration laws, but other laws as well. Could be wrong.

But heck, you don't have to deport them, just crack down and enforce existing law. It is unlawful to employ non documented people, them must be citizens or
green card holders, so enforce the law, starting with the employers. No job, no reason to be here because there are no jobs to be found. They all go home. Perhaps we could be
compassionate, and provide a bus ticket to Tijuana for those in need.

Well, that's what Mags said too. My only point here is that is NOT your candidate's stance, he has said multiple times that he wants to deport them all.

Funny the hub hub about what Trump said about Carson! I didn't see where he compared him to a child molester. Seems like a moron might make that leap though.

You think Trump just happened to be talking about child molesters? Kind of a random brain fart that had nothing to do with Carson at all? Would you perhaps be interested in a heavily discounted bridge?

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

but other laws as well.

Yes. most do. They drive cars, take jobs, and services they are not legally suppose to do.

Sure Donald would eventually deport the people that stay too long. But most would not if they had no job.

How many would have to be deported in, say three years, if hard clamp down on employers was implemented? Damn few would be my guess.

 

[e_blazer]

Trump won't be deporting anybody because he has zero chance of becoming president.

 

[MarAzul]

he has zero chance of becoming president.

Ha! Interested in a wager?

 

[Sedatedfork]

I'm treating them no different than someone that breaks into my house and steals my shit.

Will you let people in yours?

You mean like in this thread?

 

[e_blazer]

Frankly, wagering has never interested me. I'm just operating under the certainty that a loudmouth buffoon like Trump is going to continue to make jackass statements like yesterday and the voters will eventually tire of his sideshow antics.

 

[magnifier661]

You mean like in this thread?

Nobody broke into my house in that thread.