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Rick2583

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Just for some shits & giggles, 2015 numbers


Francisco Cervelli (Pirates) - 27 games 0 / 8 / 284 with a .340 OBP

Robinson Cano (Mariners) - 35 games 1 / 11 / 268 with a .309 OBP

Curtis Granderson (Mets) - 36 games 3 / 10 / 235 with a .357 OBP

Russell Martin (Blue Jays) - 32 games 7 / 19 / 278 with a .375 OBP

Yangeruis Solarte (Padres) - 35 games 2 / 20 / 286 with a .336 OBP

Martin Prado (Marlins) - 35 games 2 / 15 / 281 with a .322 OBP
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Phil Hughes (Twins) 3-4 with a 4.76 ERA

David Robertson (White sox) 3-0 with a 1.20 ERA 7 saves & 27Ks in 15 IP

David Phelps (Marlins) 2-0 with a 2.68 ERA

Shawn Kelley (Padres) 0-2 with a 9.35 ERA

Shane Greene (Tigers) 4-2 with a 4.21 ERA
 
Cashman's keen eye for talent on grand display there. I think the plan was how bad of a gm does he have to be to get fired....
 
Rick2583 said:
Just for some shits & giggles, 2015 numbers


Francisco Cervelli (Pirates) - 27 games 0 / 8 / 284 with a .340 OBP

Robinson Cano (Mariners) - 35 games 1 / 11 / 268 with a .309 OBP

Curtis Granderson (Mets) - 36 games 3 / 10 / 235 with a .357 OBP

Russell Martin (Blue Jays) - 32 games 7 / 19 / 278 with a .375 OBP

Yangeruis Solarte (Padres) - 35 games 2 / 20 / 286 with a .336 OBP

Martin Prado (Marlins) - 35 games 2 / 15 / 281 with a .322 OBP
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Phil Hughes (Twins) 3-4 with a 4.76 ERA

David Robertson (White sox) 3-0 with a 1.20 ERA 7 saves & 27Ks in 15 IP

David Phelps (Marlins) 2-0 with a 2.68 ERA

Shawn Kelley (Padres) 0-2 with a 9.35 ERA

Shane Greene (Tigers) 4-2 with a 4.21 ERA
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The only one who surprises me is Martin
 
I've also got to go with Cano, I knew his power numbers would suffer a little but I didn't think this much.
 
Just to expand it a bit:
Currently ✴

Prado - Headley
Prado has a .689 OPS with 2 HRs and 15 RBI
Headley has a .661 OPS with 5 HRs and 17 RBI
Headley's defensive Range Factor stats (R/F), are considerably better at 3b than Prado.

J.R. Murphy currently has a .242 career BA and has thrown out 30% of att/SB.
Not such a bad total package for a YOUNG catcher still learning the ropes.
The "Cisco kid" is at 20%.

Phelps? Nice guy, has VERY rarely (if any) pitched 7 innings in any of his starts and he has had trouble staying healthy.....he's gone on these 2 month disappearing injury problems the past two seasons.

Good guy, hope he does well...but he just didn't show much in a few years with the Yanks.
I doubt if Cashman was gritting his teeth when he included him in a trade. Lol

Drob- excellent pitcher but Miller and Betances have been more dominant last year and this year.

And they're both Younger and less expensive....with Yanks gaining a pick after the 1st round is completed in the Miller deal.
 
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...yup, and I love people who, in order to support their "plan", incessantly seek out one sided stats (and some of them are inaccurate) without telling the other side of the equation or the whole story..
 
yankeesince59 said:
...yup, and I love people who, in order to support their "plan", incessantly seek out one sided stats (and some of them are inaccurate) without telling the other side of the equation or the whole story..
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Sorry if I stated any "inaccuracies" that you have noticed , I gladly welcome any enlightenment ....but not so much biased personal opinions.

I never said Prado isn't a good player, in fact I think he's a fine player.
 
blgridesagain said:
Sorry if I stated any "inaccuracies" that you have noticed , I gladly welcome any enlightenment ....but not so much biased personal opinions.

I never said Prado isn't a good player, in fact I think he's a fine player, but there is more to being a 3rd baseman than having a .278 BA.
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...lol...your opinions are not "biased"?...seriously? ...hypocritical much?

...Prado is also much more versatile because he also plays multiple positions on the field...and he's also not locked into a idiotic contract...but you left that part out, didn't you?...why is that? ...n/m, you don't have to answer, it's quite obvious as to why.

...and you also know good and well there were "inaccuracies" (in your favor of course)....hint take a look at your catcher comparisons again.



...now get back to your myopic cherry picking...and shine my shoes, damnit.
 
blg, first off Ron (59) is not forcing me to say this, nor has he hypnotized me or threatened me with bodily harm if I don't agree with him BUT........your comparison of Headley to Prado is ridiculous. Not just for the reasons Ron gave you but also (although still not great) Prado's .318 OBP is a lot better then Headley's lowly .279. And the main thing is the obvious, Prado is batting fifty (50) points higher then Headley (278-228).
 
yankeesince59 said:
...lol...your opinions are not "biased"?...seriously? ...hypocritical much?

...Prado is also much more versatile because he also plays multiple positions on the field...and he's also not locked into a idiotic contract...but you left that part out, didn't you?...why is that? ...n/m, you don't have to answer, it's quite obvious as to why.

...and you also know good and well there were "inaccuracies" (in your favor of course)....hint take a look at your catcher comparisons again.



...now get back to your myopic cherry picking...and shine my shoes, damnit.
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Prado is earning 11 mil per year for two more seasons.
Yes,he's a versatile player but who plays 3b when he's being "versatile"?
Young is the Yankees' current 4th outfielder and has done well AND is a better defensive outfielder.

Pirela is going to get an opportunity to play 2b and Refsnyder could be here if not this year, than next year.....

Shortstop? Please don't get and sell me Prado being a steady everyday SS....he's played a grand total of 16 games at SS in his career.

Yanks signed Drew for one year at 5 mil to play 2b/SS hoping he can rebound with decent numbers.....maybe,probably not....but he's gone after this year unless he makes a dramatic turnaround. Yeah, you can say the Yanks made a mistake signing him but guess what? Whether you like it or not, the Yanks are still in first place WITHOUT Prado.
Sorry to hurt your feelings. Lmao

Now what about Murphy? Got a problem with the Yanks breaking in a young catcher as opposed to Cervelli who has a solid history of getting injured and missing a lot of time.

And Murphy DOES throw out att/sb at a significantly better rate than Cervelli, and his current .242 BA is respectable for a young backup catcher who at least has a chance to get better.


So, what's your problem, did I hurt your bossom buddy Prado's feelings? lol


Funny guy.
 
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Rick2583 said:
blg, first off Ron (59) is not forcing me to say this, nor has he hypnotized me or threatened me with bodily harm if I don't agree with him BUT........your comparison of Headley to Prado is ridiculous. Not just for the reasons Ron gave you but also (although still not great) Prado's .318 OBP is a lot better then Headley's lowly .279. And the main thing is the obvious, Prado is batting fifty (50) points higher then Headley (278-228).
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Prado has a .689 OPS with 2 HRs and 15 RBI
Headley has a .661 OPS with 5 HRs and 17 RBI
Headley's defensive Range Factor stats (R/F), are considerably better at 3b than Prado. - and that is his position with the Marlins.....so much for "versatility".

There's more to being a 3bman than having a higher BA.
Run production and defense and as of now, Headley is better and we'll eventually find out where their final OPS stands.
 
HOLY SHIT! stop the presses Headley has to more f'king RBI. Can't believe you even found that worth mentioning. Then again.....................
 
Hey if we're cherry pickng stats because there is more to a 3B than AVG.....how about errors? RF means nothing if you can't make a play.
 
...lmao...RBIs?...you can't make this shit up !....wait, it appears that you can.
 
Have your jollies, point to a BA as the last word when it comes to playing 3rd base.....
Their OPS is reasonably close but what is quite revealing is how the bobblehead crew chose to overlook a detail which ALSO helps the pitching staff -
Read it and weep....or cry. lol

Headley's defensive Range Factor stats (R/F), are considerably better at 3b than Prado. - and that has been Prado's position with the Marlins.....so much for "versatility".

Oh, couple more thinga concerning Prado's potential Yankee "versatility".....
They have Chris Young (31 yrs old) for 2.5 mil who can play all THREE outfield positions, Prado has played only 16 games at SS in his career, and at 22 mil over the next two years he would be blocking Pirela and/or Refsnyder at 2b. So I guess the consensus was to have him play 3b......but the Yanks chose to go with Headley and used Prado in a trade.
That's what it is.....and we'll find out how it turns out for at least THIS year.

Take it or leave it. I can live with it.



Mull that over. And get YOUR heads out of the sand.
 
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blgridesagain said:
Prado is earning 11 mil per year for two more seasons.

...and Headley is making $13 Mil for 4 more seasons, thanx for proving my point. Derp

Yes,he's a versatile player but who plays 3b when he's being "versatile"?

...uhhh, weren't you the one who was raving about how good ARod looked playing 3B? Derp

Young is the Yankees' current 4th outfielder and has done well AND is a better defensive outfielder.

...uhhh, what about Gardner/Ellsbury staying healthy? Derp

Shortstop? Please don't get and sell me Prado being a steady everyday SS....he's played a grand total of 16 games at SS in his career.

...uhhh, nobody said anything about Prado being a full time SS...you made that part up. Derp

Yanks signed Drew for one year at 5 mil to play 2b/SS hoping he can rebound with decent numbers.....maybe,probably not....but he's gone after this year unless he makes a dramatic turnaround. Yeah, you can say the Yanks made a mistake signing him but guess what? Whether you like it or not, the Yanks are still in first place WITHOUT Prado.
Sorry to hurt your feelings. Lmao

...uhhh, not sure what all the other irrelevant rambling is about but I don't care about whether Drew is here next year or not.
...I care about this year, and this year he sucks. Derp.

Now what about Murphy? Got a problem with the Yanks breaking in a young catcher as opposed to Cervelli who has a solid history of getting injured and missing a lot of time.

And Murphy DOES throw out att/sb at a significantly better rate than Cervelli, and his current .242 BA is respectable for a young backup catcher who at least has a chance to get better.

...is that really your way of acknowledging/apologizing for lying about the stats you first posted?... why did you lie?
...and again, I care about this year, and this year Cervelli is playing very well, and better than Murphy, period.


So, what's your problem, did I hurt your bossom buddy Prado's feelings? lol...Funny guy.

...no, not at all...did he hurt yours?..but yes, I am a "funny guy", and a helluva dancer too.
...and please, next time, try typing in English. Derp.
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blgridesagain said:
Have your jollies, point to a BA as the last word when it comes to playing 3rd base.....
Their OPS is reasonably close but what is quite revealing is how the bobblehead crew chose to overlook a detail which ALSO helps the pitching staff -
Read it and weep....or cry. lol
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...the only thing funnier than what you just spewed is the fact that you somehow really do believe it to be compelling.

...Headley's 7 errors does not help the pitching staff...errors, aside from possibly causing a team to lose the game also extends the inning and causes the pitcher to face even more batters and throw even more pitches.


...now go get your shoe shine box, damnit.
 
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