OT Vegas Style Shooting Thwarted In Denver

[Phatguysrule]

Wrong. Neither party cares about America... at all. Both parties deny Americans living wages, free health care that most other industrialized nations give their citizens. America's schools constantly lack funds. Why? Both parties feed our military. It seems better to spend money dropping bombs than it is to spend that money where America really needs it.

America's congress literally has the one of the lowest approval ratings on the planet. How anyone can vote for these uncaring inhumane people is beyond me.

There is only one solution...

 

[Road Ratt]

There is only one solution...

Ewww.

 

[barfo]

America doesn't have a gun problem it has a violence and crime problem caused by lack of opportunity, which is caused by lack of access to education, healthcare, abuse of the poor by the justice system, and in general a poor social safety net.

Fix those and you'll save more lives than any gun centric solution could hope to.

I don't buy it. Sure, improving those things would reduce gun violence, but we are already doing better than many other countries on those metrics and yet our gun violence is much worse.

However, I do agree that guns might not be the problem. It might be Americans that are the problem.

barfo

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

America doesn’t have a violence problem. It has a people problem. People bring the violence.

 

[riverman]

America doesn’t have a violence problem. It has a people problem. People bring the violence.

america definitely has a violence problem....if it's not an AR15 it's a karen hitting a six year old asian kid in a mall or an insurrection on capitol hill .or road rage or cops shooting unarmed people...america has a violent people problem..

 

[Phatguysrule]

I don't buy it. Sure, improving those things would reduce gun violence, but we are already doing better than many other countries on those metrics and yet our gun violence is much worse.

However, I do agree that guns might not be the problem. It might be Americans that are the problem.

barfo

We're not doing better than other wealthy countries in most of those metrics.

Desperate people make poor decisions.

There are 400 million guns in this country. You can literally print a very capable gun on a $300 desktop 3d printer.

There is no gun control that will make any significant difference in the USA.

I'm simply advocating for changes which could actually make things better.

 

[Road Ratt]

Thats a gross oversimplification of the problem

That may or may not be so. But, if I go and over explain every case I make, then I start to feel like I am over complicating that conversation. Which is a problem that I find that most people suffer from, over complicating their statements. It seems like a silly game to me.

We all know that big tech watches you through your electronic devices. It's fine with you that your party doesn't care that they do so. Not by me. I could literally make a list of crap that we all know to be true, that both parties are fine with. And yet I'm not suppose to see that neither party cares. I can't do that.

During the pandemic, our congress gave away the largest transfer of wealth to the rich in history with their 500 billion dollar package. Later we find out that through loopholes the wealthy will actually receive 4.7-6.2 trillion dollars. Nancy Pelosi fought harder against Trump's wall than she did that bill. And I'm not suppose to see that she doesn't care. I can't do that.

Iraq was about oil. Most, if not every war, we have fought beyond WWII: Americans were lied into supporting. And we still buy their stories. I can't buy their lies anymore. I am done doing so. Everyone else can do so. They have that right. Knock yourselves out... Please!

Sorry. Now I feel like I am hijacking the thread, so I will stop here unless something real comes my way.

In the end it doesn't matter. In a conversation where nobody believes links, we are all left being full of shit as we try to "out logic" each other. I find those kind of conversations tedious and boring.

 

[HailBlazers]

I love guns, I just think I should be the only one who has them.

Typical ruler.

 

[Lanny]

People love to throw around terms like "common sense gun control" and "reasonable gun control."

What exactly does that mean?

That means checking out a buyer for every transaction so no idiot gets his hands easily on a gun. It also means limiting guns to their hunting value and not selling military type weapons and tracking guns from buyer to buyer so we have a better idea of who might be doing bad guy stuff with his gun. I would also make it difficult to own a handgun. I'd rather see a guy coming after me with a long barrel which is difficult to hide than a sneaky handgun that allows a person possessing it to sneak up on me. Every drive by I've heard of used handguns. Pretty simple, really.

 

[Natebishop3]

That means checking out a buyer for every transaction so no idiot gets his hands easily on a gun. It also means limiting guns to their hunting value and not selling military type weapons and tracking guns from buyer to buyer so we have a better idea of who might be doing bad guy stuff with his gun. I would also make it difficult to own a handgun. I'd rather see a guy coming after me with a long barrel which is difficult to hide than a sneaky handgun that allows a person possessing it to sneak up on me. Every drive by I've heard of used handguns. Pretty simple, really.

Here's the problem. There are hundreds of millions of guns in the US (some sources say close to 400 million). How do you put the genie back in the bottle? Forced buy backs? Every time even the hint of a threat to ban assault rifles, people rush out and buy up more. It's not common sense as you make it out to be. It's going to be extremely complicated.

 

[Lanny]

Here's the problem. There are hundreds of millions of guns in the US (some sources say close to 400 million). How do you put the genie back in the bottle? Forced buy backs? Every time even the hint of a threat to ban assault rifles, people rush out and buy up more. It's not common sense as you make it out to be. It's going to be extremely complicated.

You've got to start sometime and then let a long time lapse for guns to slowly disappear. I don't see any other way.
The Chinese can wait a long time and so should we.

 

[stampedehero]

We can't stop crazed people unless we have Law Enforcement become Pro Active. Instead of targeting black people as they did, center focus has to be on deranged morons that think they have they 15 minutes of glory. These radicals are like Vultures and the cops should treat them as such. Since this couple was captured due to the diligence of an employee, he should be rewarded monetarily and the depraved sent to a stay on " Shutter Island" where they would never be seen again.

 

[Phatguysrule]

You've got to start sometime and then let a long time lapse for guns to slowly disappear. I don't see any other way.
The Chinese can wait a long time and so should we.

Something like 42% of households own guns.

You can't stop idiots from getting guns in the US. You can make a gun with $20 and an afternoon trip to home depot. Or a $300 3D printer.

Cats out of the bag in the US. Gun control can't work and no gun control law has ever shown to significantly reduce violent crime or murder rates anywhere in the world (at least, not that I've found).

Both Australia and the United Kingdom enacted strict gun control in the 90s while the US let the Brady bill expire and doubled the number of guns.

US violent crime and murder rates have dropped as much or more than both countries.

Violent crime and murder are a product of socioeconomic conditions, not the availability of hardware.

If I had to choose, I'd rather be shot to death than bludgeoned to death with a hammer.

Gun control is just a wedge issue to rile up both bases and a way to waste political capital that could otherwise be spent on solving the socioeconomic challenges which actually make people viilent.