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Amick: Charlotte's Gerald Wallace, DeSagana Diop & DJ Augustin For Andre Miller & Marcus Camby?
Moments after I hit "publish" on the last post regarding potential trade talks between the Portland Trail Blazers and Charlotte Bobcats, Sam Amick of NBA Fanhouse reports...
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League sources told FanHouse that the Bobcats and Portland have discussed a trade that would send beloved small forward Gerald Wallace to the Blazers with center DeSagana Diop and point guard D.J. Augustin in exchange for center Marcus Camby and point guard Andre Miller. And while the Blazers are exploring a litany of their own options and don't appear eager to do the deal as of now, the discussion that is one of many being had by the Bobcats reveals plenty about the sort of the on-court changes Jordan has in mind for his club.

He wants a point guard not named D.J. Augustin who comes with a veteran's resume and a veteran big man who produces on both ends of the floor. But it's the final prerequisite that is by far the most problematic for most scenarios being considered, as he wants to significantly cut future salary just in time for the new landscape that will come with a new collective bargaining agreement.
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Virtually impossible to imagine that deal going through as constructed, but Charlotte is clearly looking to be aggressive and Portland has parts that would be appealing to them.
 
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Dillman: Blazers, Bobcats Might Be Trading Partners?

Early Thursday, Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports reported that the Charlotte Bobcats and Los Angeles Clippers might be linking up for a trade.
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[Charlotte Bobcats Owner Michael] Jordan is considering a trade proposal that would send [D.J.] Augustin, DeSagana Diop and Matt Carroll to the Los Angeles Clippers for [Baron] Davis, a league source told Yahoo! Sports.
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Lisa Dillman, Los Angeles Clippers beat writer for the Los Angeles Times reports on Twitter that "BD won't be spending Xmas in Charlotte" and that she is "hearing that Portland (Andre Miller, Marcus Camby) might be trading partner with Charlotte on this one, not Clippers."

The Bobcats recently put both of their co-captains, Gerald Wallace and Stephen Jackson, on the block.

-- Ben Golliver | benjamin.golliver@gmail.com | Twitter
 
If we are building for the future.. not sure Wallace is that person with his age. IMO
 
we arent building for future. we are re-tooling. this trade if oden comes back would be huge without giving up batum

augustine/rudy?
roy/wes
wallace/batum
la/diop
pyrz/marks with maybe oden
 
Wallace is a player that I've coveted for the Blazers for years. Screw the future, I want to WIN.
 
these are exactly the type of trades the mavs do to retool.

this trade gets us in the playoffs. maybe they should offer rudy/camby for wallace/augustine/diop instead.
 
You are always building for the future. The question is, is the future all you have to look forward to?

Getting Wallace for 2 old players whose deals are going to expire soon is a no brainer.
 
yes this deal should already been done if true.

wallace and la would be amazing
 
Didn't the team want Augustin as well? I know he's been pretty terrible as a pro so far, so maybe a change of scenery would help him. Also, hell yes to G Force, even though he would be injured almost immediately.
 
The idea of Crash would be awesome, but seeing Miller AND Camb go in one shot would be hard as they are our two biggest trade pieces, I wonder if we could swing Miller and Pryz instead.
 
Part of me really likes this deal ... then the other part remembers just how often "Crash" has been out with injuries. If we didn't already have the most fragile roster in the league this would guarantee it.

That said, I'd do it if that was the absolute best deal I could get but I'd wait for something more lucrative to surface or try to bring a third team in.
 
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Augustin is a PG. Currently putting up 13 and 6 and 3 in Charlotte. Not awesome numbers, but not terrible either, for a 23 year old PG. What I like about the deal is it adds a young PG in Augustin you can try to develop, and I like Wallace, he can contribute, but is another long term asset as well. Him and Diop only have two years left after this year, so they're not horribly long contracts.
 
We don't lose bigs on this one either. Wallace can play SF/PF. Diop can play PF/C. We actually gain depth on this one.

PG: Augustin / Mills / Johnson / Rudy
SG: Roy / Wesley / Rudy / Elliot
SF: Wallace / Batum / Wesley
PF: LMA / Cunningham / Diop / Wallace
C: Joel / Diop / Marks / Oden
 
If Augustin ends up as our PG, we aren't retooling; we've been tooled.

If Cho has a second move to get a PG, then maybe this makes sense.
 
I think Diop is probably worse than Marks.
 
Diop has kind of a nasty contract for his production. 3 years left(3rd year is a PO) at $6.5M/$7.0M/$7.4M

Who the hell signed him to that?
 
RR7 said:
I think Diop is probably worse than Marks.
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Diop and Marks are about equally worthless ... though I'm not sure how you quantify that given that about all Diop can do is defend and rebound while about all Marks can do is shoot a mid-range jumper. If given the choice in a backup 5 I guess I'd rather have the guy who can provide resistance and clean the glass.
 
Why all the DJ Augustin hate? He's young, he's not that bad now, and a change of scenery for him could kick-start him into reaching his potential.
 
Love this trade scenario. Matthews/Wallace/LaMarcus is a great fastbreak and defensive core.
 
chris_in_pdx said:
Why all the DJ Augustin hate? He's young, he's not that bad now, and a change of scenery for him could kick-start him into reaching his potential.
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He's OK, but there's no getting around that he'd be a noticeable step down from Miller.
 
So, we send a good quality PG (19 PER) with a team-option short contract, quality big (16 PER and fantastic defense) with a year and a half on his contract for an iffy health-wise SF/PF (both positions where we are actually stocked) on 3 years contract 14.8 PER, a young undersized PG and a garbage man on a terrible contract?

Sorry, there has to be a better thing out there for this team. I like DJ as a prospect, I like Crash as a final piece (which this team is not at a position to need), but this is overpaying for them through the nose. Maybe we should also send MJ a set of old Drexler jerseys the team still has in storage?

Miller and Joel for this package makes more sense, imho.
 
andalusian said:
So, we send a good quality PG (19 PER) with a team-option short contract, quality big (16 PER and fantastic defense) with a year and a half on his contract for an iffy health-wise SF/PF (both positions where we are actually stocked) on 3 years contract 14.8 PER, a young undersized PG and a garbage man on a terrible contract?
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In my book, Camby is just as iffy health-wise as Wallace. Wallace is a top 10 SF that can be had for two aging veterans that aren't a part of the Blazers' plans.

Plus getting Wallace would open the door for trading Batum and other assets for a PG or C replacement.
 
craigehlo said:
In my book, Camby is just as iffy health-wise as Wallace. Wallace is a top 10 SF that can be had for two aging veterans that aren't a part of the Blazers' plans.

Plus getting Wallace would open the door for trading Batum and other assets for a PG or C replacement.
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Camby is more productive this year than Wallace and is on a shorter contract, in a position of need for Portland. Again, what is the incentive to downgrade talent and contract flexibility?

You either upgrade cap flexibility for talent or you upgrade talent for cap flexibility. This trade does not achieve anything - and as such, seems like a classic case of "making a trade to make a trade" scenario.
 
I hate the thought of Augustin as our starting PG, but love the idea of Crash starting at PF.

I'd do it.

DJ/ Patty/ Armon
Wes/Rudy///// Roy?
Nic/ Rudy
Crash/ Dante
LA/ Diop
 
I do this immediately.

Augustin is not fantastic, but he's young and he's a good shooter without a shoot-first mentality.

Wallace would step right in as our second-best player.

Diop would be a salary albatross of sorts, but as an end-of-the-bench guy he wouldn't kill us.

The team, assuming Joel is at all healthy, treads water now but gets better in the long run by adding younger players, including the best player in the deal (Wallace) and the youngest player in the deal (DJ).

It's an expensive deal in terms of $$, but no real downside than that IMO.

Ed O.
 
I would take our chances with a PG that has room to get better than one that is at the end of his career. NJ was also interested in DJ and we could get Devin Harris. Both are better than what we are facing as our PG of the future.

Getting Wallace is the key for me. He could also provide minutes at backup PF and brings a toughness we have sorely lacked from most of our group.

Diop is just the price to do this deal. Not a fan at all of him, but maybe a team in need of a big takes him off our hands.
 
Ed O said:
Wallace would step right in as our second-best player.

The team, assuming Joel is at all healthy, treads water now but gets better in the long run by adding younger players, including the best player in the deal (Wallace) and the youngest player in the deal (DJ).
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How the hell is Wallace the best player in the deal? He has lower PER, EWA and VA than Miller and Miller gets his contributions in 5 MPG less than Wallace (thus his EWA/VA are much better than Wallace's). Camby has a higher PER, almost the same EWA (despite the fact that he plays 10 mpg less per game) and a lower VA (again, plays much less).

Gerald Wallace production this year took a fall this year, not as bad as Brandon Roy's production fall, but a significant one...
 
I guess you have to ask yourself if Wallace's struggles this year are more of an outlier or a sign of permament decline. That's a tough call.
 
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