ucatchtrout
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Washington Mutual is toast.
They are not going to open their doors tomorrow.
They are not going to open their doors tomorrow.
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Washington Mutual is toast.
They are not going to open their doors tomorrow.
I never acted on this when I kept telling myself to.
So I have a couple small accounts with WaMu, under 100,000K for both. Am I safe and how much papaerwork will it take to get the money out?
Any finance guys out there know?
Morgan Stanley slumped more than 46 percent in early trading as investors fretted about its ability to quickly find a buyer or cash infusion from a foreign investor. Rival Goldman Sachs Group Inc. skidded 25 percent.
Morgan Stanley shares rallied to close up about 4 percent while Goldman Sach's stock was lower by almost 6 percent. And Washington Mutual Inc. shares soared more than 48 percent.
Wouldnt that mean they are okay for at least another day?
Wouldnt that mean they are okay for at least another day?
This financial crisis is amazing. I think there will be a positive relationship between the number of these firms that fail and how much Obama wins in November. I think he is going to win big time now. What other firms are due to fall up? I heard there were 3 big ones on the verge of imploding, so I assume WaMu was one of them.
Where did you hear this? I haven't watched the news tonight but didn't hear anything earlier about WAMU not opening tomorrow.
From a client who owes me money and uses WaMu. He asked me to come by and pick up a check for what he owes me and take it to the bank and cash it. I went to WaMu at a few minutes before five yesterday and they confirmed they will not be open today. They weren't sure what was happening but seemed to think someone was buying them out. I heard US Bank, but I'm not sure. Rumor was they would reopen Monday. Accounts are federally insured up to one hundred grand so everyone should be okay... and eventually get their money. But I had twenty five hundred coming to me and I wanted the cash, and to not take any chances.
No. It means investors today thought that WaMu was less likely to go belly up than they had collectively thought the previous day. Obviously they were either wrong yesterday or wrong today, or both.
barfo
I work in finance, I'm pretty familiar with what's going on.
They definately won't close until any chance they have of selling the company is gone. Right now it looks like either Citi or Wells are considering buying them. In the past 8 or so months, Citi has raised 50B in capital fueling speculation that they might be buyers, especially at a huge discount. The problem is those funds are assumed to be to cover additional losses coming in the 4th quarter. Also, as recent as a year ago, it was assumed that their model was flawed. They sold off Travelers Insurance and stated they wanted to get closer to their customers and focus on banking. If anything I think they will sell Smith Barney before making any more aquisitions.
Wells is a posibility, but I can't see them buying WAMU completely- maybe only the retail banking, although Wells already hase a huge presence on the west, where why WAMU their biggest. WAMU was definately among the worst of the mortgage companies with their creative, pick-a-pay loans. I think the chances of a sale go way up if they are able to pawn off the bad debt to a government trust and only sell the good assets. Although if they are able to get rid of the bad mortgages, why would WAMU even want to sell, especially at such a cheap price.
They haven't been rumored to be interested but with the luck BofA has has with their aquisitions of Countrywide-being able to get rid of bad debt- and Merrill- buying for almost nothing- I can see them getting a little greedy and pressing their luck on WAMU. But then they would be extremely leveraged and getting very close the the flawed Citigroup model.
The problem with any of those companies buying WAMU is branch %. Unless the Fed is going to suspend their normal rules, any of them purchasing WAMU is going to have sell off a lot of branches
Wells Fargo associates told me they were hearing that if WaMu isn't bought out over the weekend then they wil have their doors closed monday.
Interesting. Isn't Wells Fargo one of the primary contenders to buy WaMu?