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With Oladipo as their best player and they're in a far better cap situation. We are so far away from contending, it's not even funny. If we don't make a trade, we're going to stay stuck in no man's land.
 
Can Olshey get them back? No. But maybe if Allen made Quick the Asst. GM, Pritchard would take the offer.
 
Yay, we needed a thread to point out what every sensible poster knows. Not like we have any other threads where you couldve shared this take.
 
BonesJones said:
Yay, we needed a thread to point out what every sensible poster knows. Not like we have any other threads where you couldve shared this take.
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It's standard at this point. It's like hey lets piss people off and put up a shit post. I know the team isn't doing great, shit like I said, I hope we end up with a lottery pick, I feel like it would benefit this team considering our assets aren't worth a lot but damn if you pair up a lotto pick with one of our assets, we could probably draft higher in a dope draft class and if you don't wanna go that route get some good talent that already exists in the league. I am still on the trade CJ bandwagon but realistically it wont happen. So you gotta get better players to surround these two guards with.
 
Hey, Victor Oladipo is actually going crazy right now..or at least he was. He’s a two way player on a team built on defense so it works out well for them. You also have to factor in the fact the Pacers play in the East. It’s not even all star weekend..let’s give it a second before we jump the gun yelling about old coaches having success with new teams.
 
The primary point the OP makes is valid. Our roster sucks, and is hamstrung by the cap.

The secondary point, that we are a long way to contending, is right also.

The tertiary point that we need to make a trade or risk further purgatory is right on.

Where should we discuss it?
 
Mediocre Man said:
The primary point the OP makes is valid. Our roster sucks, and is hamstrung by the cap.

The secondary point, that we are a long way to contending, is right also.

The tertiary point that we need to make a trade or risk further purgatory is right on.

Where should we discuss it?
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They all go hand in hand so let’s start with the last since It is more of a current event than the rest. We need to A.)Break down and trade CJ for a two way guard who can actually play defense, doesn’t get caught sleeping on the screen, doesn’t get burned playing on ball defense and lastly, can shoot the mid range jumper. This is going to be VERY unpopular option based on CJ’s popularity here. He’s a home grown talent and he’s a sharp shooter...but his defense is holding us back severely in a western conference where every guard is a beast. Or B.) make a package trade for a starting wing scorer to stop the bleeding and cut down on missed opportunities from unworthy players such as ET, Harkless, ect. We need players who can finish at the rim as well as play on ball D. You make a trade for a great one or you make a trade for a few good ones.

PS. I don’t suggest trading CJ unless we absolutely need to pull the trigger on a deal that gets ourdefense and mid range shot effective. I wouldprefer that player be a superstar player...it woulddepend on the situation.
 
DameLill379 said:
They all go hand in hand so let’s start with the last since It is more of a current event than the rest. We need to A.)Break down and trade CJ for a two way guard who can actually play defense, doesn’t get caught sleeping on the screen, doesn’t get burned playing on ball defense and lastly, can shoot the mid range jumper. This is going to be VERY unpopular option based on CJ’s popularity here. He’s a home grown talent and he’s a sharp shooter...but his defense is holding us back severely in a western conference where every guard is a beast. Or B.) make a package trade for a starting wing scorer to stop the bleeding and cut down on missed opportunities from unworthy players such as ET, Harkless, ect. We need players who can finish at the rim as well as play on ball D. You make a trade for a great one or you make a trade for a few good ones.

PS. I don’t suggest trading CJ unless we absolutely need to pull the trigger on a deal that gets ourdefense and mid range shot effective. I wouldprefer that player be a superstar player...it woulddepend on the situation.
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CJ and Nurk for Bradly and Drummond!
 
DameLill379 said:
They all go hand in hand so let’s start with the last since It is more of a current event than the rest. We need to A.)Break down and trade CJ for a two way guard who can actually play defense, doesn’t get caught sleeping on the screen, doesn’t get burned playing on ball defense and lastly, can shoot the mid range jumper. This is going to be VERY unpopular option based on CJ’s popularity here. He’s a home grown talent and he’s a sharp shooter...but his defense is holding us back severely in a western conference where every guard is a beast. Or B.) make a package trade for a starting wing scorer to stop the bleeding and cut down on missed opportunities from unworthy players such as ET, Harkless, ect. We need players who can finish at the rim as well as play on ball D. You make a trade for a great one or you make a trade for a few good ones.

PS. I don’t suggest trading CJ unless we absolutely need to pull the trigger on a deal that gets ourdefense and mid range shot effective. I wouldprefer that player be a superstar player...it woulddepend on the situation.
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I don't disagree with a lot of what you posted. And it is well thought out and written, however, you make a mention of trading CJ and getting someone who could make our mid range shot effective. Your other points are valid. That one is not. CJ for all of his great attributes and flaws, is one of the most prolific midrange shooters in the entire league.

Here is a nice article with stats to prove CJ's shooting prowess.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2688230-nba-metrics-101-identifying-the-nbas-10-best-shooters
 
DameLill379 said:
They all go hand in hand so let’s start with the last since It is more of a current event than the rest. We need to A.)Break down and trade CJ for a two way guard who can actually play defense, doesn’t get caught sleeping on the screen, doesn’t get burned playing on ball defense and lastly, can shoot the mid range jumper. This is going to be VERY unpopular option based on CJ’s popularity here. He’s a home grown talent and he’s a sharp shooter...but his defense is holding us back severely in a western conference where every guard is a beast. Or B.) make a package trade for a starting wing scorer to stop the bleeding and cut down on missed opportunities from unworthy players such as ET, Harkless, ect. We need players who can finish at the rim as well as play on ball D. You make a trade for a great one or you make a trade for a few good ones.

PS. I don’t suggest trading CJ unless we absolutely need to pull the trigger on a deal that gets ourdefense and mid range shot effective. I wouldprefer that player be a superstar player...it woulddepend on the situation.
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So, let’s assume you’re the GM of a team that has this mythical 2 guard who is bigger, more able to defend, and shoots a better mid-range shot than CJ’s off the chart percentages, why exactly are you willing to trade him for CJ?

The Blazers having shortcomings does not necessarily translate to a realistic trade being available.
 
e_blazer said:
So, let’s assume you’re the GM of a team that has this mythical 2 guard who is bigger, more able to defend, and shoots a better mid-range shot than CJ’s off the chart percentages, why exactly are you willing to trade him for CJ?

The Blazers having shortcomings does not necessarily translate to a realistic trade being available.
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Look I never said CJ doesn’t have a mid range shot. What I meant was, is we need better mid range ability as a TEAM. I suggested trading him only if we can replace his mid range shooting with the same production yet also a player with Defense...lol where are you people getting “CJ doesn’t have a mid range” from? I suggest you re-read my post.
 
theprunetang said:
I don't disagree with a lot of what you posted. And it is well thought out and written, however, you make a mention of trading CJ and getting someone who could make our mid range shot effective. Your other points are valid. That one is not. CJ for all of his great attributes and flaws, is one of the most prolific midrange shooters in the entire league.

Here is a nice article with stats to prove CJ's shooting prowess.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2688230-nba-metrics-101-identifying-the-nbas-10-best-shooters
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Appreciate the informative post. I didn’t not say CJ didn’t have a mid range shot though. I mean you only pull the trigger on a deal if it gets the team’s mid range shot better along with better defense st the 2 position ... Averly Bradly/Bradly Beal neither are realistic but that’s an example of the player I’m referring to.
 
DameLill379 said:
Look I never said CJ doesn’t have a mid range shot. What I meant was, is we need better mid range ability as a TEAM. I suggested trading him only if we can replace his mid range shooting with the same production yet also a player with Defense...lol where are you people getting “CJ doesn’t have a mid range” from? I suggest you re-read my post.
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The comment that I'm trying to make is that it's great to identify a deficiency in the Blazers. Saying that we have to trade a certain player to fix that deficiency, without suggesting who would realistically be available to trade for, isn't particularly helpful. Do you really think that Stotts and Olshey aren't painfully aware of CJ's poor defense? Do you really think that if there was a player available who was a better defender and wouldn't cost much in the way of offensive production that they would hesitate to trade him? There seems to be some crazy thinking around here that only forum members are aware of the team's problems and that Olshey just isn't making a move because either he's too in love with our players or too stupid to make a move. The reality is that it takes at least two teams to make a deal and both have to get something that they want out of the trade. Suggest a deal if you think that there's one available.
 
Chris Craig said:
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Yeah, we always seem to have a few missing ingredients around here.

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e_blazer said:
The comment that I'm trying to make is that it's great to identify a deficiency in the Blazers. Saying that we have to trade a certain player to fix that deficiency, without suggesting who would realistically be available to trade for, isn't particularly helpful. Do you really think that Stotts and Olshey aren't painfully aware of CJ's poor defense? Do you really think that if there was a player available who was a better defender and wouldn't cost much in the way of offensive production that they would hesitate to trade him? There seems to be some crazy thinking around here that only forum members are aware of the team's problems and that Olshey just isn't making a move because either he's too in love with our players or too stupid to make a move. The reality is that it takes at least two teams to make a deal and both have to get something that they want out of the trade. Suggest a deal if you think that there's one available.
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I don’t know if one is available I don’t have GM connections through out the league nor do I know any GMs personally to reach out and see if they are interested. All I can do is go off is rumors as every other fan. So to be frank I can’t satsof your question, I’m only suggesting what would be ideal and fortunate if it was to come about.
 
DameLill379 said:
I don’t know if one is available I don’t have GM connections through out the league nor do I know any GMs personally to reach out and see if they are interested. All I can do is go off is rumors as every other fan. So to be frank I can’t satsof your question, I’m only suggesting what would be ideal and fortunate if it was to come about.
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I'm not expecting you to be a GM, but give me an example of a 2G who might conceivably be available who would fit the description of what you think the team needs.
 
DameLill379 said:
I don’t know if one is available I don’t have GM connections through out the league nor do I know any GMs personally to reach out and see if they are interested. All I can do is go off is rumors as every other fan. So to be frank I can’t satsof your question, I’m only suggesting what would be ideal and fortunate if it was to come about.
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What a cop out...
 
DameLill379 said:
I would cream my pants, dude. LMAO. This would make us instant contenders...too bad this could only happen on 2K18 with the trade override slide set to ON.):
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It can also happen in the real world - at least according to the ESPN Trade Machine.

FYI: It adds about $4.5 million to our current team salary, which would put us about $7.5 million over the luxury tax threshold.

Will it happen? Who knows, but it can.

BNM
 
e_blazer said:
I'm not expecting you to be a GM, but give me an example of a 2G who might conceivably be available who would fit the description of what you think the team needs.
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Avery Bradly is a good example. Does he score in volume as much? No, but he would fit the description of a solid scorer with a very good defensive game.
 
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