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https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/scienc...covery-alien-life-are-we-prepared-ncna1062176

New robotic craft bound for Mars should give us our best shot at finding life on the Red Planet.

In the next decade or so, it’s entirely possible that you’ll see a headline announcing that NASA has found evidence of life in space.

Would that news cause you to run screaming into the street? An article that appeared recently in Britain’s Sunday Telegraph hints that Jim Green, the director of NASA’s Planetary Science Division, thinks the public might be discombobulated by the discovery of biology beyond the bounds of our own planet. But that’s not really what Green believes. He’s concerned that we haven’t thought much about the next steps by scientists, should we suddenly confront the reality of Martian life.



Here’s the backstory: In 2020, Mars and Earth will once again be relatively close to each other in their adjacent orbits around the sun. To take advantage of this fortuitous orbital circumstance, space agencies will be lobbing a small brigade of spacecraft toward the Red Planet. Unlike the robotic explorers now prowling Mars’ dusty landscapes, these new craft — launched by both NASA and a European-Russian collaboration — will be engaged in a type of reconnaissance that hasn’t been tried since NASA’s Viking landers set down there in the mid-1970s. The new craft will go beyond merely scouting for locations that were once suitable for life. They’ll be on the hunt for life itself. Dead or alive.


It’s the imminent dispatch of these new robotic explorers that prompted Green to say that we might learn of life on Mars within a few years. They could dig up compelling evidence of biology. But he also said that the next steps are murky. Now, he wasn’t saying that news of extraterrestrial life would inevitably disquiet the public. We know it won’t because, after all, we ran that experiment more than two decades ago.

In 1996, the blockbuster science news story of the year was a claim that fossilized microbes had been found in a meteorite known to be a hunk of ancient Martian regolith, or soil. The meteorite — known as ALH 84001 — was a small sample of Mars that seemingly contained shadowy corpses of ancient microbes.

This was a huge story, but the public’s reaction was as calm as the dawn. Folks just wanted to know more. Sadly, the Martian meteorite story changed as the evidence was examined by other researchers. The argument for ancient microbes on the Red Planet was weak.


The point is that the public found this story intriguing, but not alarming. It was about life on Mars, yes, but bacteria-like life — and long dead, at that.

But what if we find extant life on Mars — for example, a layer of bustling bacteria lying several meters below Mars’ sterile surface? What would we do? Would someone tell Elon Musk to put his planned excursions to Mars on hold because the planet has an indigenous population?

Clearly, this is a scenario for which we’re unprepared. Even if the new Mars robotic explorers only find evidence for a biota that went extinct billions of years ago, it’s not clear we have a battle plan for the science we’d want to do next. Green’s admonition applies: Unlike the Boy Scouts, we’re not quite prepared.

Of course, you could say that the Spanish court was unprepared for the discovery of a new world in 1492, and it too improvised its response. But the hope is that we can do better in the case of finding evidence of life on Mars because, after all, we can see it coming.


And then there’s this: For many people, the term “Martians” calls to mind intelligent beings, usually with a less-than-sympathetic attitude to Earthlings. For these folks, a statement that “we’re not prepared for a discovery of life on Mars” sounds like a worrisome deficiency in military preparedness.

For anyone familiar with the actual conditions on Mars, this is a silly concern. There are no civilized species on the Red Planet, and no evidence that there ever were. If Martians are hunkered down on Earth’s little ruddy buddy, you’ll need 40x magnification to see them. They’re not coming to Earth unless we pack ’em up and haul ’em back in our rockets.

In addition, a recent survey made by Arizona State University shows that most earthlings would welcome intelligent aliens. Apparently, they think it probable that such beings would be friendly. Thanks, E.T.

Obviously, whatever steps we should take if Martians are found is still uncertain. As Green said in the conversation, “What we will do next depends on what we find first.” But this much is for sure: A discovery that Mars has, or had, life would be enormously significant. It would be evidence that life is a process that begins on many worlds and consequently that the universe is brimming with biology — an idea that, as of now, is no more than an appealing hypothesis.
 
I keep my bluegrass collection and banjo handy just in case of an alien invasion
 
I keep my bluegrass collection and banjo handy just in case of an alien invasion

Like in Mars Attacks? They Aliens heads explode because they couldn't stand the sound of it. Bluegrass...who would have known that would be the weakness of a highly intelligent species.
 
Are the monoliths that are popping up all of a sudden just random art installations or... OR...?
 
https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/scienc...covery-alien-life-are-we-prepared-ncna1062176

New robotic craft bound for Mars should give us our best shot at finding life on the Red Planet.

In the next decade or so, it’s entirely possible that you’ll see a headline announcing that NASA has found evidence of life in space.

Would that news cause you to run screaming into the street? An article that appeared recently in Britain’s Sunday Telegraph hints that Jim Green, the director of NASA’s Planetary Science Division, thinks the public might be discombobulated by the discovery of biology beyond the bounds of our own planet. But that’s not really what Green believes. He’s concerned that we haven’t thought much about the next steps by scientists, should we suddenly confront the reality of Martian life.



Here’s the backstory: In 2020, Mars and Earth will once again be relatively close to each other in their adjacent orbits around the sun. To take advantage of this fortuitous orbital circumstance, space agencies will be lobbing a small brigade of spacecraft toward the Red Planet. Unlike the robotic explorers now prowling Mars’ dusty landscapes, these new craft — launched by both NASA and a European-Russian collaboration — will be engaged in a type of reconnaissance that hasn’t been tried since NASA’s Viking landers set down there in the mid-1970s. The new craft will go beyond merely scouting for locations that were once suitable for life. They’ll be on the hunt for life itself. Dead or alive.


It’s the imminent dispatch of these new robotic explorers that prompted Green to say that we might learn of life on Mars within a few years. They could dig up compelling evidence of biology. But he also said that the next steps are murky. Now, he wasn’t saying that news of extraterrestrial life would inevitably disquiet the public. We know it won’t because, after all, we ran that experiment more than two decades ago.

In 1996, the blockbuster science news story of the year was a claim that fossilized microbes had been found in a meteorite known to be a hunk of ancient Martian regolith, or soil. The meteorite — known as ALH 84001 — was a small sample of Mars that seemingly contained shadowy corpses of ancient microbes.

This was a huge story, but the public’s reaction was as calm as the dawn. Folks just wanted to know more. Sadly, the Martian meteorite story changed as the evidence was examined by other researchers. The argument for ancient microbes on the Red Planet was weak.


The point is that the public found this story intriguing, but not alarming. It was about life on Mars, yes, but bacteria-like life — and long dead, at that.

But what if we find extant life on Mars — for example, a layer of bustling bacteria lying several meters below Mars’ sterile surface? What would we do? Would someone tell Elon Musk to put his planned excursions to Mars on hold because the planet has an indigenous population?

Clearly, this is a scenario for which we’re unprepared. Even if the new Mars robotic explorers only find evidence for a biota that went extinct billions of years ago, it’s not clear we have a battle plan for the science we’d want to do next. Green’s admonition applies: Unlike the Boy Scouts, we’re not quite prepared.

Of course, you could say that the Spanish court was unprepared for the discovery of a new world in 1492, and it too improvised its response. But the hope is that we can do better in the case of finding evidence of life on Mars because, after all, we can see it coming.


And then there’s this: For many people, the term “Martians” calls to mind intelligent beings, usually with a less-than-sympathetic attitude to Earthlings. For these folks, a statement that “we’re not prepared for a discovery of life on Mars” sounds like a worrisome deficiency in military preparedness.

For anyone familiar with the actual conditions on Mars, this is a silly concern. There are no civilized species on the Red Planet, and no evidence that there ever were. If Martians are hunkered down on Earth’s little ruddy buddy, you’ll need 40x magnification to see them. They’re not coming to Earth unless we pack ’em up and haul ’em back in our rockets.

In addition, a recent survey made by Arizona State University shows that most earthlings would welcome intelligent aliens. Apparently, they think it probable that such beings would be friendly. Thanks, E.T.

Obviously, whatever steps we should take if Martians are found is still uncertain. As Green said in the conversation, “What we will do next depends on what we find first.” But this much is for sure: A discovery that Mars has, or had, life would be enormously significant. It would be evidence that life is a process that begins on many worlds and consequently that the universe is brimming with biology — an idea that, as of now, is no more than an appealing hypothesis.
I think we're ready. But the collective "we" have let me down quite a bit over the last several years...
 
https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/scienc...covery-alien-life-are-we-prepared-ncna1062176

New robotic craft bound for Mars should give us our best shot at finding life on the Red Planet.

In the next decade or so, it’s entirely possible that you’ll see a headline announcing that NASA has found evidence of life in space.

Would that news cause you to run screaming into the street? An article that appeared recently in Britain’s Sunday Telegraph hints that Jim Green, the director of NASA’s Planetary Science Division, thinks the public might be discombobulated by the discovery of biology beyond the bounds of our own planet. But that’s not really what Green believes. He’s concerned that we haven’t thought much about the next steps by scientists, should we suddenly confront the reality of Martian life.



Here’s the backstory: In 2020, Mars and Earth will once again be relatively close to each other in their adjacent orbits around the sun. To take advantage of this fortuitous orbital circumstance, space agencies will be lobbing a small brigade of spacecraft toward the Red Planet. Unlike the robotic explorers now prowling Mars’ dusty landscapes, these new craft — launched by both NASA and a European-Russian collaboration — will be engaged in a type of reconnaissance that hasn’t been tried since NASA’s Viking landers set down there in the mid-1970s. The new craft will go beyond merely scouting for locations that were once suitable for life. They’ll be on the hunt for life itself. Dead or alive.


It’s the imminent dispatch of these new robotic explorers that prompted Green to say that we might learn of life on Mars within a few years. They could dig up compelling evidence of biology. But he also said that the next steps are murky. Now, he wasn’t saying that news of extraterrestrial life would inevitably disquiet the public. We know it won’t because, after all, we ran that experiment more than two decades ago.

In 1996, the blockbuster science news story of the year was a claim that fossilized microbes had been found in a meteorite known to be a hunk of ancient Martian regolith, or soil. The meteorite — known as ALH 84001 — was a small sample of Mars that seemingly contained shadowy corpses of ancient microbes.

This was a huge story, but the public’s reaction was as calm as the dawn. Folks just wanted to know more. Sadly, the Martian meteorite story changed as the evidence was examined by other researchers. The argument for ancient microbes on the Red Planet was weak.


The point is that the public found this story intriguing, but not alarming. It was about life on Mars, yes, but bacteria-like life — and long dead, at that.

But what if we find extant life on Mars — for example, a layer of bustling bacteria lying several meters below Mars’ sterile surface? What would we do? Would someone tell Elon Musk to put his planned excursions to Mars on hold because the planet has an indigenous population?

Clearly, this is a scenario for which we’re unprepared. Even if the new Mars robotic explorers only find evidence for a biota that went extinct billions of years ago, it’s not clear we have a battle plan for the science we’d want to do next. Green’s admonition applies: Unlike the Boy Scouts, we’re not quite prepared.

Of course, you could say that the Spanish court was unprepared for the discovery of a new world in 1492, and it too improvised its response. But the hope is that we can do better in the case of finding evidence of life on Mars because, after all, we can see it coming.


And then there’s this: For many people, the term “Martians” calls to mind intelligent beings, usually with a less-than-sympathetic attitude to Earthlings. For these folks, a statement that “we’re not prepared for a discovery of life on Mars” sounds like a worrisome deficiency in military preparedness.

For anyone familiar with the actual conditions on Mars, this is a silly concern. There are no civilized species on the Red Planet, and no evidence that there ever were. If Martians are hunkered down on Earth’s little ruddy buddy, you’ll need 40x magnification to see them. They’re not coming to Earth unless we pack ’em up and haul ’em back in our rockets.

In addition, a recent survey made by Arizona State University shows that most earthlings would welcome intelligent aliens. Apparently, they think it probable that such beings would be friendly. Thanks, E.T.

Obviously, whatever steps we should take if Martians are found is still uncertain. As Green said in the conversation, “What we will do next depends on what we find first.” But this much is for sure: A discovery that Mars has, or had, life would be enormously significant. It would be evidence that life is a process that begins on many worlds and consequently that the universe is brimming with biology — an idea that, as of now, is no more than an appealing hypothesis.
I did a back of the envelope calculation on the probability of intelligent life somewhere in the Universe using required conditions and came up with a probability of virtually zero. Yes, we are the only intelligent life in the Universe.
 
I did a back of the envelope calculation on the probability of intelligent life somewhere in the Universe using required conditions and came up with a probability of virtually zero. Yes, we are the only intelligent life in the Universe.
I don't buy that for a second personally yet you are free to believe it....what you are ignoring is the fact that humans senses may not be capable of comprehending life forms of aliens with the tools available...or travel far enough to encounter them...it's good you did your study but it's a human conclusion you arrived at...one limited to human knowledge of earth science..there is a vast "unknown" possibility out there that only human arrogance would discount in my view...the lifeforms we will find will more than likely be some sort of cockroach or sponge....if you are a believer in afterlife....how would you explain earth as the only place life exists? I'm not a Christian so I hold no beliefs of angels or devils but clearly your religion does recognize heavenly beings in the sky...how do you connect those dots?
 
I did a back of the envelope calculation on the probability of intelligent life somewhere in the Universe using required conditions and came up with a probability of virtually zero. Yes, we are the only intelligent life in the Universe.
Only an engineer could make a statement like this.........only an engineer........
 
I don't buy that for a second personally yet you are free to believe it....what you are ignoring is the fact that humans senses may not be capable of comprehending life forms of aliens with the tools available...or travel far enough to encounter them...it's good you did your study but it's a human conclusion you arrived at...one limited to human knowledge of earth science..there is a vast "unknown" possibility out there that only human arrogance would discount in my view...the lifeforms we will find will more than likely be some sort of cockroach or sponge....if you are a believer in afterlife....how would you explain earth as the only place life exists? I'm not a Christian so I hold no beliefs of angels or devils but clearly your religion does recognize heavenly beings in the sky...how do you connect those dots?
If it is verified that we come back as cockroaches, then I'm going to remember my mean ex daughter in law and invade the crevasses of her dishwasher, which allows me, to scurry over her long ugly toes.
 
I did a back of the envelope calculation on the probability of intelligent life somewhere in the Universe using required conditions and came up with a probability of virtually zero. Yes, we are the only intelligent life in the Universe.

I would set in motion a general survey of typical US Citizens, which, in turn, I would prove there was low grade intelligence. Therefore, these dullards could not comprehend far advanced alien cultures that they cannot see or comprehend their existence in another dimension or facet of time. Fringe~
 
With an estimated 700,000,000,000,000,000,000 planets in the universe, I find it impossible to believe that we are the only intelligent life.

...besides, who the hell declared that humans are "intelligent"?
The last four years under the guidance of fearless leader, had me almost convinced that he was not of human intelligence. We can use him as the reference point.
 
I don't buy that for a second personally yet you are free to believe it....what you are ignoring is the fact that humans senses may not be capable of comprehending life forms of aliens with the tools available...or travel far enough to encounter them...it's good you did your study but it's a human conclusion you arrived at...one limited to human knowledge of earth science..there is a vast "unknown" possibility out there that only human arrogance would discount in my view...the lifeforms we will find will more than likely be some sort of cockroach or sponge....if you are a believer in afterlife....how would you explain earth as the only place life exists? I'm not a Christian so I hold no beliefs of angels or devils but clearly your religion does recognize heavenly beings in the sky...how do you connect those dots?
Admittedly, all my knowledge is human.
 
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