We need more than 2 rebounds from our power forward!

[Chuck Taylor]

sorry....but somebody had to say it...

 

[STOMP]

what if the same PF had multiple tips of rebounds to other players who garnered the stat... would you have to say that?

STOMP

 

[Chuck Taylor]

what if the same PF had multiple tips of rebounds to other players who garnered the stat... would you have to say that?

STOMP

I'd be much happier! I don't remember LA doing that at all tonight though.
On a side note...don't they usually award the rebound to the guy who tips it?

 

[oldmangrouch]

what if the same PF had multiple tips of rebounds to other players who garnered the stat... would you have to say that?

STOMP

29 boards for the Blazers, 41 boards for the Suns (15 offensive). Who was he tipping them to?

 

[Nikolokolus]

As LMA goes, so go the Blazers

 

[Tince]

what if the same PF had multiple tips of rebounds to other players who garnered the stat... would you have to say that?

STOMP

Controlled tips are given to the person who tips the ball. Marcus Camby benefits from this...

 

[DaRizzle]

tap tap tappy

 

[HailBlazers]

As LMA goes, so go the Blazers

Indeed. The offense starts here, and usually when LMA is doing bad the ball is not being moved. It only happened once, but Roy got the ball swung all the way across the ark to a one on one mismatch. They need to figure out the Damn double team and keep the ball moving.

 

[Tince]

Indeed. The offense starts here, and usually when LMA is doing bad the ball is not being moved. It only happened once, but Roy got the ball swung all the way across the ark to a one on one mismatch. They need to figure out the Damn double team and keep the ball moving.

I think it's a little bigger than that. We have some serious hurdles handling the double team:

1) LMA is getting horrible post position, this gets everything started off on the wrong foot.
2) LMA is a below average passer out of the double team, he only makes the first simple read, making the pass the defense wants you to make.
3) The Suns are willing to let Bayless and Miller beat us with their outside shot because they're below average shooters.

So we would normally want to send double cutters down the lane, but that would require LMA being strong with the ball and making the proper read, something he hasn't proven he's capable of doing. I'm afraid it's going to come down to their role players hitting outside shots vs ours.

 

[STOMP]

Controlled tips are given to the person who tips the ball. Marcus Camby benefits from this...

can you back this up? I'd be shocked if I've been mistaken on this... shock me

STOMP

 

[HailBlazers]

Well if the f'ing ref's would let LMA get position and call it both ways we might be able to do #1.) and change everything-

 

[Chuck Taylor]

can you back this up? I'd be shocked if I've been mistaken on this... shock me

STOMP

I'm almost positive it's true. But for a minute - lets assume its not. In that case, EVERY player doesn't get credit for his "tip-outs"...so their "actual rebounds" should still be rather comparable. Two "actual rebounds" is still terrible. Regardless, when did LA tip out any rebounds to our guys in this game?

 

[Tince]

can you back this up? I'd be shocked if I've been mistaken on this... shock me

STOMP

The NBA Statisticians Manual is not available online, but I have seen/read it for my job with Synergy. I'm not actually sure why they don't make it public.

 

[Tince]

Well if the f'ing ref's would let LMA get position and call it both ways we might be able to do #1.) and change everything-

This is a valid point.

 

[STOMP]

I'm almost positive it's true.

and as I've posted I'm pretty positive that the guy who garners the ball gets the statistical credit. LA doesn't have great hops/quickness, but he does have excellent length and uses it regularly to redirect balls to teammates.

when did LA tip out any rebounds to our guys in this game?

another poster was noting this exact thing in the game thread... don't make me go all if you were watching the game on you

my take on this game in general is that the Suns were allowed to be far more physical then Portland. Among other things, they consistently rooted LA and every other Blazer out of the post and whacked the crap out of guys posting up without consequence. The foul calls were lopsided and it wasn't because Portland was avoiding the paint. Hopefully the league will let things be called straight up when they get their game 7

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[STOMP]

FWIW, my own two eyes have witnessed many times the players tipping the ball out to teammates get credited for it. I still have the game against the Lakers when Camby "grabbed" 17 rebounds. He was credited with at least two tips rebounds.

I've two eyes as well and watch as much hoops as anyone with them. I didn't ask for anecdotes

STOMP

 

[ehizzy3]

mike barrett has mentioned it a few times as well that the "tipper" gets credit

 

[Chuck Taylor]

and as I've posted I'm pretty positive that the guy who garners the ball gets the statistical credit. LA doesn't have great hops/quickness, but he does have excellent length and uses it regularly to redirect balls to teammates.

another poster was noting this exact thing in the game thread... don't make me go all if you were watching the game on you

my take on this game in general is that the Suns were allowed to be far more physical then Portland. Among other things, they consistently rooted LA and every other Blazer out of the post and whacked the crap out of guys posting up without consequence. The foul calls were lopsided and it wasn't because Portland was avoiding the paint. Hopefully the league will let things be called straight up when they get their game 7

STOMP

First your excuse was that L.A. tipped them out and wasn't given credit for it, but you couldn't come up with any examples. Now you're blaming it on the refs. I dunno....I know the refs sucked but LA needs to find a way to get more than 2 rebounds.

 

[STOMP]

First your excuse was that L.A. tipped them out and wasn't given credit for it, but you couldn't come up with any examples.

no, I sited that others observed the same thing that I did and referenced where you could find this. I don't have a game tape to break down and site exact moments when examples of this happened, but if I really gave a crap I'm sure that I could research matters. Aren't we all (you included) siting our observations here?

Now you're blaming it on the refs. I dunno....I know the refs sucked but LA needs to find a way to get more than 2 rebounds.

So aren't you blaming the refs in this highlighted comment? Rebounding is a team effort and Aldridge has consistently been on a team that boards well above average. Surely he bears most of the blame for the loss tonight

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[Chuck Taylor]

No matter how bad the refs are, they shouldn't keep LA from getting his hands on only 2 rebounds in 40 minutes.

 

[roydezlaw]

In European Basketball, a controlled tap is a rebound.

http://homepages.tesco.net/~Roger.Yapp/rebound.htm

EXAMPLE: Free throw or field goal attempt bounces off the rim (or backboard) and the player saves the ball from going out of bounds by tapping it to a team-mate. SCORING: Credit player who made a controlled tap with a rebound (either an offensive or defensive rebound, depending on the shooter).

EXAMPLE: Free throw or field goal attempt bounces off rim (or backboard) and is deliberately tapped backwards in a controlled manner by a player to a team-mate. SCORING: Credit player who tapped the ball with a rebound.

 

[STOMP]

mike barrett has mentioned it a few times as well that the "tipper" gets credit

Aldridge and Roy were on my fantasy team this year. We run our league through yahoo which gives real time stats so I'd often watch my fantasy team's stats compile as I watched Blazer games. It was my strong impression that when LA would tip balls to teammates that I wasn't watching his personal stats expand, but often Roy's would

Maybe there is leeway given to the scorekeeper in this matter?

btw... the checks just started coming in

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[Nikolokolus]

There's no getting around it. The ball hit the ground multiple times last night when LMA was in the vicinity and frequently it got scooped up by Jason Richardson. His work on the defensive glass was an embarrassment last night, but it was an embarrassment by most of the team (minus Camby).

 

[blue32]

lol @ LMA's soft ass effort last night, and Roy's too, pathetic.
I can't even refute anything my friends in Phoenix are jawin' at me with.....I don't even know what to say about that effort.

 

[STOMP]

I just scanned through the game to see if you were right about LaMarcus tipping the ball out to his teammates (I can sometimes be very sadistic), but did not see him tipped a rebound to his teammates once. As I said in two posts above, he did indeed tip a rebound to Amare Stoudemire. Regarding your comment that a poster in the Game Thread noted that LaMarcus tipped a rebound to his teammates, I read through the entire thread word for word and not once did any poster even vaguely noted such. The thread is still there for all to see if anyone wants to call me a liar.

No such poster exists, and no such words were typed.

I found the post I was referring to and it wasn't in the game thread... my bad! I must have just read it at half time or something

post #18 in this thread

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[Wizard Mentor]

Let those sign and trade "Bosh for LMA+Rudy+1st rounder" rumors begin!

 

[Todd]

Let those sign and trade "Bosh for LMA+Rudy+1st rounder" rumors begin!

I would do it! LMA needs to get his soft ass in gear, and that silly look on his face all the time just gets old. I would trade his ass for Zach Randolph right now, why did we trade him anyway.........

 

[hasoos]

Well its simple. See Lamarcus had his one game where he answered his critics. That is his quota for the week. He only gets his motor running when people bitch about his play, has one good game to silence his critics, and then goes back to being passive again. Look at the number of fouls her committed for the game. Look at the number of fouls the rest of our bigs had the rest of the game. It should be fairly obvious why he didn't get his hands on rebounds. You can't get your hands on rebounds if you don't mix it up.

Cunningham had a ton more rebounds than him, in 1/3 the minutes.

 

[RR7]

Cunningham had a ton more rebounds than him, in 1/3 the minutes.

So 2 is a ton more than.....2?

 

[illmatic99]

Aldridge has to stop being so reliant on his center teammate to get all the boards. He lacks the fundamentals required to box out, and it's awfully frustrating. At least, I'm glad that he will have two (three-- Joel) of the best rebounders in the league on his team next season.

I think the most we can expect out of this off season is internal development. As our roster stands now, I think this team has WCF caliber talent. We just need good coaching (not the shitty job Nate was doing here before GO went down), and good health to realize that potential.