What a bunch of crybabies on this board.

[dumpstralmannow]

It's 4 games. They haven't had Hagelin once. They haven't had Nash twice. They are playing a new system. I don't care if they lose 6-0 or 2-1. It's a loss. It looks the same in the standings.

I haven't watched too much because the games are so late. However, I'm no longer attached to the idea of keeping MDZ here. This is a system he should flourish in and he hasn't shown anything so far. Again, it's only 4 games but he is a player I expected to see some immediate improvement with offensively. I'm getting the idea that MDZ is dumb when it comes to the sport of hockey.

 

[BigDaddyAl1973]

Perhaps we are "crybabies" because we are cranky staying up till 1am watching out beloved team suck so bad...I know I'm very cranky.

the dimished mind of a soon to be 40 year old

 

[chuckd3534]

Spare us the drama dump. It has nothing to do with being crybabies, or being positive, or negative, or up, or down or anything else. Here is the bottom line, the team has played like a pile of trash so far. From pre-season right through the start of the regular season. That is the bottom line. Any other words you want to use knocking your fellow posters, go for it, you always do, but it doesn't change the fact that this team has been awful so far through the pre-season and 4 games of the regular season.

15-2 over the last 6 periods. 15-1 outscored since we scored 1st against the Sharks. YES at days end a win is a win and a loss is a loss, but when you get destroyed 15-2 over two games you take notice of that and say something is clearly wrong here.

With that said, it is just 4 games, there are 78 left to go. A lot of time to fix this and move forward, but that still doesn't change the fact that right now we are where we are, and that is pathetic through 4 games.

As for DZ, I am sorry but your stance is funny to me. You and I have gotten into many battles the past few years over this guy. He needed to go 2 or 3 years ago. He needs to go now. The guy is a froot loop, and you just said it yourself. He is up and down. He still cannot shoot. He floats in and out of games. Enough is enough. I will say what I have said for YEARS on this guy, maybe he will get it at some point, I will not sit here and say he will never be a very good NHL player because he may become one, but let someone else wait for it to happen. That has been my stance on him for years, and it is still the same today. Hopefully Sather is working the phones now to move this guy. And this year there is even more urgency IMO because he will want a longer bigger money deal this summer, and no way do we give him one IMO.

Overall, let's not all argue here. No need to come back with some post calling everyone names like you enjoy doing. The bottom line is the team has been terrible so far right from the start of camp. They have been outscored 15-2 over the past two games. They need to get their sh*t together ASAP. With useless Pyatt and Boyle in the top 9 it will not be easy, but we'll see if they can do it. That is all there is to say at this point. Knocking other posters won't change where we are right now. Thankfully we have a long way to go, and time to get this thing right.

 

[NYR31]

lol, is Dump surprised? doesn't he remember the meltdowns after every loss in the old boards? it's a nuclear disaster at this point after 2 bad losses. Everyone sux and it's Gm 4, lol.

 

[Messiah717]

They were bad in the preseason and they're worse to start the year. It's four games yes but these last two haven't even been competitive. MDZ should me moved with another piece for a forward. The guy is a 50/50 player who might show up for 40 games.

 

[chuckd3534]

I think you guys are over playing this. It wasn't that bad in here at all. Most people had a good laugh at the garbage we are seeing right now. I didn't see anyone say oh the season is over. Sell the whole team. Pack it up. I think most people are simply saying we have been terrible so far this season, including the pre-season, and we need to get MUCH better. Not sure what is so crazy or outrageous about that 31. That is 1000000% the truth. 15-2 in the last two games. That is real.

 

[chuckd3534]

I guess we can come on here and pretend these games aren't being played, and we haven't been terrible. Or we can say there are 78 games left so who cares what we do now. If you feel that way, why don't you just sit out the season until there are 15 or so games left, and then we can have discussions about where the team is at when the season is almost done. All games count.

Of course there are many games left to play, so no panic, but we need to get much better, that is clear so far. Let's hope they do it.

 

[Disturbed]

Get through the road trip with 4 wins

Looks pretty difficult at this point

 

[chuckd3534]

I felt 2-7 or 3-6 tops all along. I will stand by that.

 

[NYR31]

it really is funny that the preseason is still being brought up. Team was different with an expanded roster full of players no longer on the team, new coach and played 4 gms in 5 nights, all on the road, starting in Calgary and ending in LA. Stop with the non-sense. Looks foolish.

Yes, the last 2 games have been painful, but they will get better. It's not a matter of "hope" they get better, they will. This team has been playing road games for a month now, and unfortunately still has 2wks left of it.

 

[chuckd3534]

I agree your non-sense looks foolish, so stop 31. It is what it is man. You are so passive aggressive it is comical. You are mister nothing matters. Who cares if they lose this game. Who cares if they lose that game. Who cares if they were terrible in pre-season. Who cares if they were embarrassed in two straight games and have been outscored 15-1 since the 1-0 lead at SJ. Nothing matters. They will get better. Give it a rest man.

Of course they will get better from what we have seen the past two games, it would literally be impossible for them not to get better, but what I am talking about, and I think so is everyone else outside of your games, is how much better. Can they be a top level team with a chance to go far? That is what this is all about. So I stand by my we'll see about that. That is what I am talking about, not whether or not they get better from the trash we have seen through the pre-season and the first 4 games.

And again, no one is off the deep end on this board, I think people are simply being honest. We have played like garbage since camp opened. We need to be MUCH better. That is all I am seeing. I haven't see anyone really saying oh the world is over. The season is done after 4 games. So get it straight 31 and stop seeing what you want to see as usual.

 

[NYR31]

why does the preseason matter so much to you that you keep clinging to it? as you already know, they were playing without Stepan, with an expanded roster and 4gms in 5 nights all on the road. What happened then has nothing to do with what's happening now. You should know that.

 

[chuckd3534]

The pre-season doesn't mean much. But the pattern of crappy play started there. It has continued right into the regular season. That is my only point in mentioning the pre-season. Bad play started there. Bad habits started there. It started the downturn. We need to get ourselves out of that ASAP. That is why I mention the pre-season. Of course it means nothing, we all know that, but it certainly can start a bad pattern if issues carry over into the regular season, and in this case sadly they have.

On the team, we will get better from what we have seen, no doubt. But I want DZ gone so bad. I am simply done and fed up with his game. Up and down. In and out. I am tired of seeing it year after year and game after game. Please move him soon Sather. Enough is enough with him.

 

[NYR31]

It doesn't matter, nor should anyone try to find a connection, when the team lost to Calgary 4-1 almost 3 weeks ago with Bickel, Falk, Fast, Hrivik, Kreider, Kristo, Lindberg and Mashinter playing, none of whom are on the roster today. There is zero correlation between those games and what's happened this regular season. It's foolish that 4gms in we're still referencing the preseason, in any way.

 

[chuckd3534]

We'll agree to disagree there 31. The final score and results don't matter, but I like to see the main guys playing well. I like to see Lundy playing well. None of that happened. Bad habits can set in. Bad feelings can set in. Who needs it. So we'll agree to disagree.

But the bigger point is WHO CARES. We are discussing pre-season. Whether I, or anyone, thinks the bad vibes started there is irrelevant. We are where we are now after 4 regular season games, plaing like crap, and we need to be much better. That should be the focus. Not whether you, or anyone, agree or disagree about the role pre-season played in this start. Who cares about that. We are where we are.

 

[BigDaddyAl1973]

It doesn't matter, nor should anyone try to find a connection, when the team lost to Calgary 4-1 almost 3 weeks ago with Bickel, Falk, Fast, Hrivik, Kreider, Kristo, Lindberg and Mashinter playing, none of whom are on the roster today. There is zero correlation between those games and what's happened this regular season. It's foolish that 4gms in we're still referencing the preseason, in any way.

Say that to Peter Laviollete

 

[BigDaddyAl1973]

getting schlacked in back to back games is nothing to sneeze at....will the team get better...one would have to say yes..but does that mean getting better is now losing 3 to 1 instead of 9-2. It doesn't help that it is the beginning of the season in which the fan base was ready for change, excited for change....and to see ....well...see this CRAP..not to mention the fan base having to stay up till 1am watching this crap doesn't make for happy people the following day(s)

 

[NYR31]

We saw against LA how good this team can play. They've been on the road for a month now and out of their time zone for 3wks. This team is not going to finish 1st in the conference but it should be a solid team with a chance to make some noise in the playoffs. 2 crappy ass games does not mean this team isn't good, but it obviously needs to be tweaked some.

 

[BigDaddyAl1973]

what am I missing here..the win against LA wasn't that dominating at all...

 

[Messiah717]

They were getting a lot of solid chances against Quick in that game that he was able to make saves on. Ironically they got a couple of lucky bounce goals instead of burying their better chances.

 

[strudwickisthebest]

Hagelin is just another small player who cant finish, dont see how he's going to help

 

[NYR31]

Hagelin is just another small player who cant finish, dont see how he's going to help

He's wicked fast who will put the D out of position and open up chances for his linemates. Agree he's not all that great but this speed and 2-way game is valuable on the 3rd line.

 

[Disturbed]

Funny when people say Hags isnt that good.

If we had 3 Hags on our 3rd line and Stepan, Cally were in game shape and Nash was healthy this team is light years better

The problem with this team is the following:

1. There is still no PP QB
2. They are learning a new system and have not head enough time to gel
3. They dont have enough scoring depth - Even when healthy they have 2 4th lines - Good teams dont have Boyle and Pyatts playing on the 3rd lines
4. No physical presence on the backline - Hopefully the Undertaker pans out at some point because this team needs it

 

[chuckd3534]

I agree 100% dis. Especially with 1, 3, and 4. You nailed it. That is what we are missing still. We'll see if we can get that.

 

[Disturbed]

The reason I am optimistic is it shouldn't be that hard to get what we need.

The reason I am pessimistic is I am not sure Slats knows we need those changes.

 

[dumpstralmannow]

Chuck, you're problem is you look at the meltdown of one player and ignore the meltdowns of the other 20 players on the team. You also ignore when MDZ plays 50 fantastic games a year and only concentrate on his bad games. Thus, why you're a typical NY fan. Negative. MDZ was good in the playoff series against Ottawa 2 years ago. He was great vs. the Caps in the next series. Maybe our best player in that series. He was awful vs. NJ in the conference finals. You however, only look at the NJ series because you're typical NY fan. Negative.

Last time I checked, the Rangers didn't give up 15 goals in 2 games because of MDZ. However, you specifically tried to blame him for those losses like you always do. Same crap, different year. My idea of moving MDZ now strictly has to do with the fact he's still in high demand in the league and this team needs a wing that can play on the first line.

 

[chuckd3534]

Awesome post dump. Way off base per the norm, but awesome post. Let's examine.

I have never blamed the terrible performances so far this season solely on MDZ. As a matter of fact I went out of my way to say the whole team is playing ike trash. This is way bigger than just MDZ. So strike one.

I also said TIME AND TIME AGAIN that MDZ is up and down like a yo-yo. So what does that mean? It means sometimes he is UP and sometimes he is down. That is who he is. So I have said time and time again he has stretches where he plays well, no doubt. But he also has way too many stretches where he plays like a 19 year old rookie still. And the man cannot shoot. And the man is soft as charmin in the corners. And when he is down and bad, he is REAL BAD. So strike two dump.

Look dude I get it, you have been his biggest fan for years. You and I have gone back and forth on DZ for literally years now, so I understand why you have to take this same old stance you are taking and try to deflect the focus on me, I get it, but I think it is time you say you were simply way off on DZ and move on (I know it is difficult because you simply have very little ability to say I was wrong). Like I have said for years, let someone else wait for him to fully develop. Maybe in 3 years he will be a very good well rounded dman, it is possible, but let someone else take the chance. I am tired of seeing him here, and I think a lot of the fans agree with me now.

Straight out question for you...just answer yes or no dump: do you give MDZ a nice 3 year or so, 4 mill per or so, contract this summer? That is the question to you. Because that is what we have to do this summer if we keep him. So you think about that one and give me an honest answer there. I know which way I clearly go.

 

[BigDaddyAl1973]

If any player is going to get lazy after a big contract. ..
My money is I'm del zero.

the dimished mind of a soon to be 40 year old