What rookies are looking good?

[Rastapopoulos]

Various rookies who seem to be doing well:
Jae Crowder
Chris Copeland
Mallik Wayns
Terrence Jones
PABLO PRIGIONI!!!
Andre Drummond
Bradley Beal

Any others?

 

[MickZagger]

Damian Lillard and Meyers Leonard.

 

[RoyToy]

I just realized Thomas Robinson didn't even play against the Blazers the other night.

edit - looks like he did actually. Looks like he did nothing as well

 

[MickZagger]

I just realized Thomas Robinson didn't even play against the Blazers the other night.

Yeah he did.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Damian Lillard leads all rookies in scoring and assists per game (16.0 ppg and 5.5 apg), while only being 4th in minutes (29.3 mpg). Not just guards, not just Western Conference... all rookies period.

Meyers Leonard is 2nd among rookie centers in scoring (7.4 ppg), 3rd in rebounding (5.0 rpg), and 4th in blocks (1.0 bpg). Also, and I can't stress this enough, he shoots nearly 82% from the charity stripe (.818).

Damian is killing it. Leonard looks like a worthy project. I'm excited!

 

[Mediocre Man]

Jonas Valenciunasvcmananmthsldoithbsm in Toronto is looking good

 

[Boob-No-More]

NBA Rookie Preseason EFF Top 50 (Full Stats):

1 Anthony Davis, NOH 16.5
2 Damian Lillard, POR 14.5
3 Perry Jones, OKC 14.3
4 Jared Sullinger, BOS 14.3
5 Andre Drummond, DET 13.7
6 Bradley Beal, WAS 12.8
7 Chris Copeland, NYK 12.8
8 Maalik Wayns, PHI 12.6
9 Brian Roberts, NOH 12.2
10 Terrence Jones, HOU 11.0
10 Meyers Leonard, POR 11.0
12 Jae Crowder, DAL10.8
12 DeQuan Jones, ORL 10.8
14 Festus Ezeli, GSW 10.3
15 Ben Hansbrough, IND 10.0
15 Jonas Valanciunas, TOR 10.0
17 Jeremy Lamb, HOU 9.3
17 Andrew Nicholson, ORL 9.3
19 Mike Scott, ATL 9.2
20 John Henson, MIL9.0
20 Donatas Motiejunas, HOU 9.0
22 Thomas Robinson, SAC 8.8
23 Robert Sacre, LAL 8.6
24 Tyler Zeller, CLE 8.5
25 Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, CHA 8.4
26 Harrison Barnes, GSW 8.2
27 Nando De Colo, SAS 8.0
28 Khris Middleton, DET 7.7
29 Wesley Witherspoon, SAS 7.3
30 Austin Rivers, NOH 7.2
31 Bernard James, DAL 6.5
32 Alexey Shved, MIN 6.2
33 Arnett Moultrie, PHI 6.0
33 Kyle Singler, DET 6.0
33 Tony Wroten, MEM 6.0
36 Kyle O'Quinn, ORL 5.5
36 Tyshawn Taylor, BKN 5.5
36 Luke Zeller, PHX 5.5
39 Victor Claver, POR 5.3
40 Draymond Green, GSW 5.0
40 Miles Plumlee, IND 5.0
40 Terrence Ross, TOR 5.0
43 Dion Waiters, CLE 4.8
44 Darius Miller, NOH 4.8
45 Jared Cunningham, DAL 4.8
45 Kim English, DET 4.8
47 Reeves Nelson, LAL 4.3
48 Joel Freeland, POR 4.2
49 Kris Joseph, BOS 4.1
50 Kyle Fogg HOU 4.0

Yeah, it's just preseason, but I see the ROY race coming down to Davis and Leonard. Guys like Perry Jones and Sullinger won't get as many menites once the regular season starts, and I think Drummond will hit the rookie wall hard.

If you sort based on EFF/48M, Drummond is first for guys playing at least 15 MPG and Myers Leonard is 4th. If you dop it down to 8 MPG, Claver is 5th in EFF/48M.

I'm a bit surprised to see:

25 Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, CHA 8.4
26 Harrison Barnes, GSW 8.2
30 Austin Rivers, NOH 7.2

all so low. These are all lottery picks that are getting significant minutes and should be producing more. Rivers is leading all rookies in minutes (30.2 MPG), but is only 16th in scoring and tied for 18th in APG.

BNM

 

[MickZagger]

Andrew Nicholson is balling. I really wanted us to trade up and get him. He'll have a lot of opportunity in Orlando.

 

[MickZagger]

Kidd-Gilchrist really hasn't been too impressive on the offensive side, but he's the type that doesn't really need to score to be effective. There's so few scoring options on that Bobcats team so I hope they aren't trying to rely on him to be a big part of their scoring. I see him as 15ppg max guy throughout his career, but multiple AS games.

 

[MickZagger]

Dion Waiters at 4.8

Lolz at Cleveland. Tristan Thompson and then Waiters, two huge stretches that aren't going to pan out.

 

[jlprk]

Claver, Freeland, and Barton (how's he rank?) are held down by the 2 top rookies getting minutes. A coach will give only so many minutes to rookies.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Jared Sullinger doing quite well, especially considering where he was drafted.

 

[jlprk]

Lillard may move up to #1 if he learns how to integrate his playmaker self with his scorer self. He averages 11 turnovers.

His first half numbers: 4.0 points, 2.7 assists, 1.7 rebounds, seven turnovers, 23.5 percent shooting.

His second half numbers: 12.3 points, 2.3 assists, 1.0 rebounds, four turnovers, 67 percent shooting. “In the first half, I’m too busy making sure I get guys involved,” Lillard said.

http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/i...llard_struggling_early_exce.html#incart_river

 

[THE HCP]

How is EFF different from PER?

 

[THE HCP]

I was going to give Waiters the benefit of the doubt, but when I saw how he showed up to summer league and how his game is this preseason when I've watched the Cavs....... what a bust. He can only dream to be JR Rider.

 

[jlprk]

How is EFF different from PER?

God you're dense. Which part of this don't you understand, rook?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/per.html

 

[Boob-No-More]

Claver, Freeland, and Barton (how's he rank?) are held down by the 2 top rookies getting minutes. A coach will give only so many minutes to rookies.

61 Will Barton, POR 3.3

Barton is averaging 15.3 MPG, compared to only 8.5 MPG for Claver. Freeland is at 16.4 MPG. If anyone is getting short changed, it's Claver, but there's only so minutes to go around. Especially, for the bench players, whether, or not, they are rookies.

BNM

 

[NOVoodoo]

Am I the only one pumped to see Maalik Wayns doing well in the preseason and likely earning a real NBA contract?

Wayns declaring for the draft was a true "WTF?!?" moment, but I understand that he had to make some money and support the rest of his family somehow. He really needed more time in the NCAA to develop his game, but if the 76'ers feel like they could develop him, he could turn into a very good bench spark.

I just hope signing a contract doesn't go to his head. I hope he doesn't spend all of the 300+K, or whatever a minimum salary player get after taxes and agents, on a bunch of family investments that he doesn't have the money for. He seems like he's set up to make bad decisions with his money, given his reasoning for leaving Villanova.

 

[Boob-No-More]

How is EFF different from PER?

I gave the details on EFF in this post. It's a basic compilation of raw stats. Unlike PER, there is no attempt to normalize for minutes played or pace. In general, I think PER is a "better" stat for comparing players who play similar roles, but for comparing rookies, and predicting ROY voting and 1st and 2nd team All-Rookie, I think EFF is better as it measures total production. The rookies that play more minutes contribute more to their teams and EFF reflects those total contributions better than PER. Some guy who plays 3 - 4 minutes of garbage time once a week can have a very impressive PER, but he doesn't contribute nearly as much to his team's success as the guy who starts and plays 25 - 30 MPG.

The formula for EFF is:

Points + Rebounds + Assists + Steals + Blocks - Turnovers - Missed Free Throws - Missed Field Goals

Divide season totals by number of games played to get the per game EFF.

BNM

 

[NOVoodoo]

Jared Sullinger doing quite well, especially considering where he was drafted.

Sullinger should have been a top 5 pick.

I was on the record then, and I'm on the record again.

I actually have a $100 bet on the line that he'll be a 1st Team All-Rookie... since like last May.

I just believe in his ability to play the game of basketball. You can talk about his height, his weight, or his back, but at the end of the day, he has a nose for the ball that is very uncanny of prospects at his age (let's not forget he's only 20 yrs old and will be for most of the season).

He's the type of player that gets the Zach Randolph/Paul Millsap type of rebounds. For example, when his teammate drives to the rim, he makes sure he seals out his defender, in order to get the offensive put-back.

He just makes simple, small basketball-intelligent plays that wind up amalgamating for a great game.

 

[jlprk]

Okay, HCP, you know the routine.

1. Skim our answers and get that vomity feeling.
2. Ask the same thing tomorrow.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Sullinger should have been a top 5 pick.

I was on the record then, and I'm on the record again.

Everyone agreed on that on talent. It's his back they're all worried about. He's Dejuan Blair II.

 

[NOVoodoo]

Everyone agreed on that on talent. It's his back they're all worried about. He's Dejuan Blair II.

I don't think that the two health issues are really comparable.

I also think, as players, Sullinger and Blair are not comparable in terms of their skillset, nor are they comparable in the context of the injuries (or in Sullinger's case, future potential of injuries).

 

[crowTrobot]

for some reason darius miller's rookie card is outselling anthony davis right now

 

[Boob-No-More]

Updated Rookie EFF Top 50:

After last night's stellar all-around game, Damian Lillard has passed Anthony Davis and taken over the rookie preseason EFF lead.

Meyers Leonard remain steady at EFF = 11.0, but has moved from tied for 10th to tied for 11th.

Joel Freeland moved up 3 spots to 45.

Victor Claver has fallen out of the top 50 (he's 53rd).

Will Barton is 59th.

And Zags was right, Andrew Nicholson is a rookie to watch as he's moved up from 17th all the way to 7th.

1 Damian Lillard, POR 16.8
2 Anthony Davis, NOH 15.8
3 Jared Sullinger, BOS 14.1
4 Andre Drummond, DET 13.7
5 Bradley Beal, WAS 12.8
6 Chris Copeland, NYK 12.4
7 Perry Jones, OKC 12.0
7 Andrew Nicholson, ORL 12.0
9 Jae Crowder, DAL 11.8
10 Jonas Valanciunas, TOR 11.4
11 Terrence Jones, HOU 11.0
11 Meyers Leonard, POR 11.0
13 Festus Ezeli, GSW 10.7
14 DeQuan Jones, ORL 10.7
14 Brian Roberts, NOH 10.7
16 Maalik Wayns, PHI 10.3
17 Ben Hansbrough, IND 10.0
18 Jeremy Lamb, HOU 9.3
19 Mike Scott, ATL 9.2
20 Thomas Robinson, SAC 9.2
21 John Henson, MIL 9.0
21 Donatas Motiejunas, HOU 9.0
23 Tyler Zeller, CLE 8.5
24 Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, CHA 8.4
25 Nando De Colo, SAS 8.0
26 Khris Middleton, DET 7.7
27 Harrison Barnes, GSW 7.6
28 Wesley Witherspoon, SAS 7.3
29 Robert Sacre,LAL 7.2
30 Draymond Green, GSW 6.3
31 Alexey Shved, MIN 6.2
32 Kyle Singler, DET 6.0
32 Tony Wroten, MEM 6.0
34 Austin Rivers, NOH 5.7
35 Tyshawn Taylor, BKN 5.5
35 Luke Zeller, PHX 5.5
37 Bernard James, DAL 5.2
37 Arnett Moultrie, PHI 5.2
39 Kyle O'Quinn, ORL 5.0
39 Miles Plumlee, IND 5.0
39 Terrence Ross, TOR 5.0
42 Darius Miller, NOH 4.8
42 Dion Waiters, CLE 4.8
44 Kim English, DET 4.8
45 Joel Freeland, POR 4.7
46 Reeves Nelson, LAL 4.3
47 Kyle Fogg, HOU 4.0
47 John Jenkins, ATL 4.0
47 Kendall Marshall, PHX 4.0
47 Carleton Scott, BKN 4.0

BNM

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Drummond looks great.

Why did Mike Rice loathe Andre so much? In fact, I never heard Rice come out and say "no freaking way" when talking about prospects until this summer when asked about Drummond's workout with the Blazers.

I'm thinking maybe he reminded Rice too much of Oden?

 

[Boob-No-More]

I'm thinking maybe he reminded Rice too much of Oden?

Why, was he drunk, limping and taking cell phone photos of his cock?

I'm referring to Oden, not Rice. With Rice, those things are a given.

BNM

 

[BigVolcano]

Drummond, Lillard, and Val have looked great from the ones I've seen. Haven't seen Davis or Beal yet.

Waiters was a huge reach. No idea what Cavs are doing. First passing on Val for Thompson and now taking Waiters. I hear they are really into advanced stats but Waiters really hasn't looked good

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

I like Val.

I can't think of a good comparison for him though. He's not as fluid of an athlete as Joakim but Val looks like he's going to be a lot more skilled on the offensive end. Defensively, they're going to be similar IMO.

 

[jlprk]

1 Damian Lillard, POR 16.8
2 Anthony Davis, NOH 15.8
3 Jared Sullinger, BOS 14.1
4 Andre Drummond, DET 13.7
5 Bradley Beal, WAS 12.8
6 Chris Copeland, NYK 12.4
7 Perry Jones, OKC 12.0
7 Andrew Nicholson, ORL 12.0
9 Jae Crowder, DAL 11.8
10 Jonas Valanciunas, TOR 11.4
11 Terrence Jones, HOU 11.0
11 Meyers Leonard, POR 11.0
13 Festus Ezeli, GSW 10.7
14 DeQuan Jones, ORL 10.7
14 Brian Roberts, NOH 10.7
16 Maalik Wayns, PHI 10.3
17 Ben Hansbrough, IND 10.0
18 Jeremy Lamb, HOU 9.3
19 Mike Scott, ATL 9.2
20 Thomas Robinson, SAC 9.2
21 John Henson, MIL 9.0
21 Donatas Motiejunas, HOU 9.0
23 Tyler Zeller, CLE 8.5
24 Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, CHA 8.4
25 Nando De Colo, SAS 8.0
26 Khris Middleton, DET 7.7
27 Harrison Barnes, GSW 7.6
28 Wesley Witherspoon, SAS 7.3
29 Robert Sacre,LAL 7.2
30 Draymond Green, GSW 6.3
31 Alexey Shved, MIN 6.2
32 Kyle Singler, DET 6.0
32 Tony Wroten, MEM 6.0
34 Austin Rivers, NOH 5.7
35 Tyshawn Taylor, BKN 5.5
35 Luke Zeller, PHX 5.5
37 Bernard James, DAL 5.2
37 Arnett Moultrie, PHI 5.2
39 Kyle O'Quinn, ORL 5.0
39 Miles Plumlee, IND 5.0
39 Terrence Ross, TOR 5.0
42 Darius Miller, NOH 4.8
42 Dion Waiters, CLE 4.8
44 Kim English, DET 4.8
45 Joel Freeland, POR 4.7
46 Reeves Nelson, LAL 4.3
47 Kyle Fogg, HOU 4.0
47 John Jenkins, ATL 4.0
47 Kendall Marshall, PHX 4.0
47 Carleton Scott, BKN 4.0

What is the link? If these are your own calculations, why not add a spreadsheet column for minutes so you can also post eff per 48?