what was Roy's PER tonight?

[julius]

Also, what was Kobe's?

I think Kobe's injured hand has had a huge impact on his game.

 

[maxiep]

Clearly, the L*kers are "injury-plagued".

 

[Nikolokolus]

Also, what was Kobe's?

I think Kobe's injured hand has had a huge impact on his game.

I'm not sure what's wrong with it right now, but try Hoopdata.com later and it will give you more than you'd ever want to know about a game.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

I'm not sure what's wrong with it right now, but try Hoopdata.com later and it will give you more than you'd ever want to know about a game.

"I will be in Boise scouting the D-League Showcase from Mon-Thurs this week, so updates may be delayed for box scores and the stats database. Sorry for the inconvenience. "

That's what's wrong. He's probably got a backlog to get through right now.

 

[jlprk]

On basketball-reference, you could look up his season PER tonight, then look it up tomorrow. Then calculate what the game's PER must have been.

(I've never done it because I just thought of it, but multiply tonight's average PER by the number of games, and tomorrow's average PER by the new number of games, subtract, and the difference must be the game's PER.)

 

[BlazerCaravan]

On basketball-reference, you could look up his season PER tonight, then look it up tomorrow. Then calculate what the game's PER must have been.

(I've never done it because I just thought of it, but multiply tonight's average PER by the number of games, and tomorrow's average PER by the new number of games, subtract, and the difference must be the game's PER.)

Good idea.

Current PER: 21.4 over 1404 minutes (36 games).

I'll revisit this tomorrow.

 

[jlprk]

If only the 21.4 were rounded to an additional decimal place, you might get a meaningful difference.

You're right to check the minutes--maybe minutes should be used in the calculation instead of games played, since PER is a per-minute stat.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

If only the 21.4 were rounded to an additional decimal place, you might get a meaningful difference.

You're right to check the minutes--maybe minutes should be used in the calculation instead of games played, since PER is a per-minute stat.

Thanks. BTW, here's a good analysis of the tear Roy's been on:

http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/1/5/1234900/brandon-roys-streak

 

[jlprk]

Well thanks, and here's one for you--a diagram of a play stolen from Nate's playbook.

http://gravityandlevity.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/pick_and_roll.png?w=600&h=130

 

[Boob-No-More]

EFF is much easier to calculate:

EFF = (PTS+BLK+STL+AST+REB) - (TOV+MISSED FT+MISSED FG)

Brandon Roy:

EFF = (32+0+1+6+5) - (0+1+2) = +41

Kobe Bryant:

EFF = (32+1+0+7+8) - (5+2+23) = +18

BNM

 

[jlprk]

Thanks. BTW, here's a good analysis of the tear Roy's been on:

http://www.blazersedge.com/2010/1/5/1234900/brandon-roys-streak

My general impression is that these numbers are no surprise. They are caused by 2 things. 1) They cover the time in which Roy has peaked, the 15 consecutive games with at least 23 points. 2) And they cover a time in which Oden wasn't around to block his path to the basket.

It says that during this time he has gotten more pick and rolls, cuts, and putbacks, so his percentages have increased in those situations. (How do you shoot 91% in putbacks and 92% in cuts?) It would be interesting if the pick and roll stats were divided into when the defender goes under vs. over his man.

When the article gets down to comparing Roy to Bryant and James, I need comparisons to more players so I can see whether the differences are indeed as small as the author says. Stats per possession are skewed by the fact that 1) we have fewer possessions, so each one is more crucial, so he has slightly better stats per possession that Bryant and James out of necessity. 2) A 2nd reason they have more gravy train possessions is that they are on teams that spend more minutes per game having a bigger lead than we do, so more time is garbage time or at least low-pressure time.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

So, in 38 minutes, Roy's PER jumped to 22.0 (in 1442 minutes total). This works out to a PER last night of around 44.17 -- basically, if he did that every other game, and half that well every other game, he'd be as efficient as Michael Jordan in his prime.

 

[andalusian]

His TS% for the game was 93.2. That is mind boggling.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Roy's Game Score (GmSc) last night was 33.0. Surprisingly, it's only his 3rd best GmSc of the season, and only his 2nd best of 2010. He also had a GmSc of 34.6 in his 42 point game against Houston on Halloween, and his best (this season) is 36.5 in his 37 point effort against the Warriors last Saturday. Prior to this season, he only had one GmSc above 33.0 and that was his career high 52-point night against Phoenix in December 2008 when he had a GmSc of 44.8.

Kobe's GmSc last night was 13.5, and he's only topped 33.0 once all season.

BNM

 

[FeloniusThunk]

The game is up on Hoopdata now. One thing I'd like to figure out, but am blocked by laziness, is how many actual shots the Lakers hit that weren't the result of either an offensive rebound or a 3. I don't think it was more than about a dozen or so. They were really forced outside first, and did virtually no post plays or successful pick and rolls. Lakers were 4-14 from <10 ft., so that jibes, and is a stark contrast to the Blazers having only a single attempt from same.

 

[number 10]

Since 1986, games in which a player takes <=11 shots and scores >=32 points

Only 12 players have managed it since 1986. Of the 12, Brandon Roy is the only one to not commit a single turnover. And only Deron Williams had more assists (8) than Roy at 6. Incredible.

 

[Public Defender]

When the article gets down to comparing Roy to Bryant and James, I need comparisons to more players so I can see whether the differences are indeed as small as the author says. Stats per possession are skewed by the fact that 1) we have fewer possessions, so each one is more crucial, so he has slightly better stats per possession that Bryant and James out of necessity. 2) A 2nd reason they have more gravy train possessions is that they are on teams that spend more minutes per game having a bigger lead than we do, so more time is garbage time or at least low-pressure time.

#1 - that cuts both ways. With fewer possessions, it exaggerates both the good and the bad. So, when Roy commits a turnover, or something bad happens, won't it have a greater effect than the mistakes Kobe and LeBron might make?

#2 - it's true that "garbage time" changes things - but in true garbage time, aren't Kobe and LeBron sitting on the bench?

Frankly, I don't think the differences in the teams' situation really add up to a whole lot, especially if you're looking across the whole season to date. Both players are the most important pieces of the offense and have had to adjust to shifting demands due to variations in team health and consistency from teammates.

Roy needs a longer period of success like this, though, before I'd consider a true competitor for MVP (which is what saying he's effectively in the company of Bryant and James would mean).

 

[drexlersdad]

wow barkley once had 36 points on 10 shots

 

[BlazerCaravan]

wow barkley once had 36 points on 10 shots

A lot of those guys in that list are either outside shooters who happened to get red hot from behind the arc, or post up guys who abused their defenders for a game. You don't see a Jordan, Kobe, or LeBron there... none of the "all-round elite" players are there... except Roy and Deron.

It's is indeed very interesting that a "team savior" type of player could be so efficient.

Also interesting... drop the required points to 30 and the list more than doubles. Lots of interesting names in there, including Richie Frahm!

 

[drexlersdad]

players who have taken 40 or more shots in a game:

kobe 7 of the top 15 and 3-4 in those games.

interestingly enough, jordan is on the list 4 times, all losses

 

[Nikolokolus]

http://www.hoopdata.com/boxscore.aspx?id=300108022

Here's the boxscore from hoopdata.com I was referring to, lots of good stuff inside.