What would it take to get Lowry?

[magnifier661]

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3012/kyle-lowry

This dude is a baller and very physical. If we could somehow get him to play a "The Jet" role on this team, we could be a serious problem for teams. Lowry is an assist machine!

 

[RR7]

I feel like I might be the only one still happy we have Mo WIlliams on this team. That ship sure floated away quickly.

 

[magnifier661]

I feel like I might be the only one still happy we have Mo WIlliams on this team. That ship sure floated away quickly.

I love me some Mo, but Lowry is a true PG that can score to boot. He is much better than Mo, IMO.

 

[RR7]

"true" PG? He's not all that different from Mo this season passing the ball. Lowry's stats on top, Mo next

GP
19
21
MPG
36.7
24.9
APG
6.8
4.3
Passes per game
68.9
42.4
Total AST
130
90
FT Assists per game
.6
.2
Secondary Assists per game
.9
.7

Assist opportunities per game
13.5
8.3

Points created by assist per game
15.7
10.2
Points Created by AST Per 48 Min
20.5
19.7

 

[noknobs]

To me, the last thing we need is another guard, especially if CJ is coming back soon. I'm still happy with Mo for the most part.

 

[Samuel]

I'm not sure if we have much to interest them in a one-to-one trade. He has an expiring deal so we'd have to give back promising prospects, picks, or cap relief for this season (so give them back less than 6M). We can't deal any first rounders, I'm not sure a 2nd rounder would do it, and our prospects pool that we'd want to give up is a bit thin.

One would have to come up with a scenario where we give up a guy or two to another team, they send a cheaper player and a player exception to Toronto and we take on Lowry's contract.

 

[Samuel]

To me, the last thing we need is another guard, especially if CJ is coming back soon. I'm still happy with Mo for the most part.

Totally agree. The rub with trading scenarios is we don't really know what we have until CJ comes back but he won't be back until after that December date that eliminates trade deadline possibilities.

 

[Nikolokolus]

"true" PG? He's not all that different from Mo this season passing the ball. Lowry's stats on top, Mo next

GP
19
21
MPG
36.7
24.9
APG
6.8
4.3
Passes per game
68.9
42.4
Total AST
130
90
FT Assists per game
.6
.2
Secondary Assists per game
.9
.7

Assist opportunities per game
13.5
8.3

Points created by assist per game
15.7
10.2
Points Created by AST Per 48 Min
20.5
19.7

Stats might be similar, but defensively I see Lowry creating quite a bit of separation and they play the game very differently. Lowry is more of a pick-and-roll player, whereas Mo is probably more of a pull-up shooter. I know Mo's assist numbers look OK, but I don't think he does a great job of getting bigs involved, I suspect Lowry would be a a help for guys like Freeland, Lopez and Robinson on pick and rolls or pick and pop situations.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Here's Mo and Kyle head to head this year

http://www.basketball-reference.com...m=0&p1=lowryky01&y1=2014&p2=willima01&y2=2014

 

[Wizard Mentor]

PER in Lowry's favor 17 to 10.

Here's Mo and Kyle head to head this year

http://www.basketball-reference.com...m=0&p1=lowryky01&y1=2014&p2=willima01&y2=2014

 

[tlongII]

We definitely don't need another guard at this point. We could use some depth at center and that's about it.

 

[blue9]

You guys realize that we'd have to ship someone out - likely a guard, and even more likely it'd be Mo plus another player - in order to get Lowry, right? So he wouldn't be an addition to our back court, he'd be a replacement.

 

[Nikolokolus]

We definitely don't need another guard at this point. We could use some depth at center and that's about it.

I don't see the need for a depth at center as mutually exclusive; I think we need both.

 

[blue9]

I don't see the need for a depth at center as mutually exclusive; I think we need both.

Yup - one back-up PG and one more C (either starting or back-up).
I still wonder if we should take a chance on Kendall Marshall. Low risk, since he wouldn't play any minutes unless he earned them. I'd cut Barton to take a chance on Marshall.
Then somehow make a trade for Drummond and we end up with Robinson (#5), Lillard (36), Drummond (#9), and Marshall (#13)! Maybe swap CJ for Lamb (who we should have taken instead of Leonard!)? Haha!

 

[BlazerWookee]

It would take Olshey having a frontal lobotomy. If your car's running great, no need to change the spark plugs...

 

[blue9]

If your car's running great, no need to change the spark plugs...

But how about the timing belt? You just wait for it to break before you change it out?

 

[Nikolokolus]

Mo isn't playing great. In fact you could argue he's barely above replacement level.

 

[BlazerWookee]

But how about the timing belt? You just wait for it to break before you change it out?

Absolutely, unless you must venture out of the area in which your insurance will cover towing your car to your favorite mechanic, in which case it might be worth being proactive rather than reactive...

 

[Wizard Mentor]

In support, let me say this: Who do people think will be coming off the bench for the Blazers in 2 years?

Hint: it probably won't be Mo and Joel.

I don't see the need for a depth at center as mutually exclusive; I think we need both.

 

[magnifier661]

Mo isn't playing great. In fact you could argue he's barely above replacement level.

I'm gonna have to agree with you on this. I have hope Mo will come around and do well, but his turn over issue is a huge problem. Also, I don't like how he has become so "crawford-like" with ISO shooting as well. If he could just distribute more and get Dame involved at SG, then we wouldn't be having this discussion.

 

[blue9]

In support, let me say this: Who do people think will be coming off the bench for the Blazers in 2 years?

The only guys currently on our team that I can conceivably see coming off our bench in two years are CJ and Robinson. And Leonard if we're hard-headed enough. I also see a very slight possibility for Robinson to be starting for us in two years.
Actually, I'd add Joel to the list as a possibility.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

The only guys currently on our team that I can conceivably see coming off our bench in two years are CJ and Robinson. And Leonard if we're hard-headed enough. I also see a very slight possibility for Robinson to be starting for us in two years.
Actually, I'd add Joel to the list as a possibility.

I'd throw Crabbe in there, so CJ, Robinson, and Crabbe.
What I really meant was coming off the bench and us not looking to replace them.

 

[BBert]

I feel like I might be the only one still happy we have Mo WIlliams on this team. That ship sure floated away quickly.

I was very pleased when we got him. I'm less pleased with what he's brought to the team. I guess I thought as a 'vet' he'd be more under control, know how to run an offense, look for his teammates more, and you know, play smarter. Maybe he can do these things? If so, I'd like him to start now, please.

 

[RR7]

I was very pleased when we got him. I'm less pleased with what he's brought to the team. I guess I thought as a 'vet' he'd be more under control, know how to run an offense, look for his teammates more, and you know, play smarter. Maybe he can do these things? If so, I'd like him to start now, please.

I just think it's funny, because I remember HCP making a comment in the offseason, maybe, about how similar Mo is to Jamal, and people mocked him for it, and also remember how excited people were to land Jamal. It's as if nobody has watched Mo play before he got here, save for maybe twice a year when he'd light us up seemingly.

 

[Elton]

Is it too late to swap Mo for Dre?

 

[BBert]

I just think it's funny, because I remember HCP making a comment in the offseason, maybe, about how similar Mo is to Jamal, and people mocked him for it, and also remember how excited people were to land Jamal. It's as if nobody has watched Mo play before he got here, save for maybe twice a year when he'd light us up seemingly.

Yep. HCP with the madd hoops knowledge.

I hated Crawchuck. Still do. I don't hate Mochuck, but I am disappointed. Probably my own fault, as you say.

I'd trade Mo for Lowry.

 

[Natebishop3]

I don't think "mo playing better" will change anything. He's not a point guard. He doesn't run the offense well, he dribbles way too much, and turns the ball over at an extremely high rate. It's like I'm having flashbacks of Damon Stoudamire.

 

[tlongII]

Mo is doing fine. I definitely disagree with people that are arguing otherwise. He's a chucker, but we need a chucker coming off the bench.

 

[Natebishop3]

Mo is doing fine. I definitely disagree with people that are arguing otherwise. He's a chucker, but we need a chucker coming off the bench.

Doing fine based on what? He isn't dead?

He's shooting 41% from the field. That's horrible.

He's averaging over 2 turnovers per game in 25 minutes played. Just to give you a comparison, Lowry is averaging about the same amount of turnovers.... in 36 minutes per game.

He has a PER of 10.5

His ORtg is 96. Lowry's is 115.

He dribbles too much. I have no idea how you measure that, but god he dribbles a lot. He routinely dribbles until there's only 5-6 seconds left in the clock.

The guy has been a huge disappointment.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Mo is doing fine. I definitely disagree with people that are arguing otherwise. He's a chucker, but we need a chucker coming off the bench.

He's not shooting particularly well (as evidenced by his eFG%). He doesn't draw fouls, his A/T ratio is pretty anemic, his PER is a sub standard 10.5 and he doesn't appear to make his teammates appreciably better. But as you say, "he's fine."