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The past two elections have been a complete repudiation of the policies forwarded by the Republican Party. I would argue not of conservatism, but that's another issue.

My question is, where does the GOP go from here? It seems they've lost the Hispanic vote and the youth vote. It even seems that many evangelicals have become more liberal policy-wise.

Do they go back to conservative principles, do they appeal more to the middle? Do they continue to run on social issues? Do they actually become the party of small government?

Please don't post to this thread if all you have is a snarky response.
 
I hope they return to their core values of limited government and self-reliance. This compassionate conservatism BS was something I was totally against in 2000. Just stupid. They need to dump the evangelicals and form the party on a strong platform.
 
My question is, where does the GOP go from here?

What do you think of Romney....from a leadership and/or core values standpoint?
 
What do you think of Romney....from a leadership and/or core values standpoint?

Great on economics, but will sell his core values for a single vote. You don't become an LDS Republican Governor of Massachusetts by not betraying some of your core beliefs.
 
If you want to talk about how they take back the White House and Congress...that all depends on how Obama, Pelosi, and Reid do these next two years. It's hard to predict. Democrats would probably gain some more house seats in 2010 and maybe a seat or two in the Senate. If they do poorly/mediocre 2010 is when Republicans start to pick up seats again.

As for 2012, Bobby Jindal and Sarah Palin are the first two that comes to my mind. Bobby Jindal will be 7 years younger than Obama when he ran with 3-4 years as Governor of Louisiana, combined with his service in the House and various state executive positions within the health care system. Mitt Romney might be back too.

As for a complete philosophical overhaul...that's going to take more than two years and a lot of support. Who knows if or when that would happen.
 
I'll say one thing...Partially because I have to google Bobby Jindal, and partly because I don't agree with McCain being the best thing that the Republican Party could throw against the Obama train.

This election has fueled a desire in me to get heavily involved in politics. I have no idea how, but I don't see that anybody is doing what they say, and that anyone will give up core beliefs (like "right vs. wrong") in order to appeal to masses. If nothing else, there needs to be someone (like I vaguely remember Reagan doing) saying what they believe, taking a stand and letting the chips fall where they may. I don't think McCain did, and I feel like Palin wanted to.

For the Obama supporters, do you think that he took a stand on any issues in this campaign? At first he did with Iraq, but then backed off when he got the nomination. I can't fault the guy for a whole lot, b/c he doesn't take stands. Maybe in the Georgia/Russia issue, and in wanting to talk to Hugo Chavez about problems,

For the conservatives, I think there needs to be a move away from the "anyone who'll support getting rid of abortion" Far Right. I don't think, as a Christian, that there were a lot of people in this election who represent what I want, but also disagree with guys like Focus on the Family who say in January they could never support McCain b/c of his divorce and stand on abortion, and then endorse him in August. I think that right now, just having the name Republican is poison to young people, who only know of G.W. Bush and his work with a Pelosi-run Congress. I also think that there weren't enough intelligent "fight-back" tactics in the Republican campaign.

I'm interested in who starts to speak up in for the right in Congress. I think the time of 60-70 year-old career politicians as President is over for a while. I hope that people realize in 2 years that their governor and representation in Congress and in state government are as important to their way of life as the President. I think it has to start there....that younger, state-grown conservatives who take stands and lead change in local and state government build upon that to show the populace that everyone who believes in things like a strong military or reduction of entitlements and smaller government are copies of everything that went wrong in the GWBush era.
 
As for 2012, Bobby Jindal and Sarah Palin are the first two that comes to my mind.

Sarah Palin, really? I think her appeal is very narrow. In fact, I think Palin is emblematic of the Republian failure: selected to appease a single, extreme wing of the party and to be a "barracuda" (supposedly able to tear others down). I don't think she actually was very effective at tearing down Obama or Biden, but the mentality of attack mode (ushered into Republican policy by Gingrich's neo-con movement) is divisive and I think ultimately a turn-off to most. The two likeable people they went after, Clinton and Obama, it failed. It worked well against Gore and Kerry, both of whom hurt themselves significantly with their own personalities.

I think Palin fits the neo-con style perfectly, but I don't think the neo-con movement is what the Republicans should be embracing. Honestly, if I were to pick a Republican whom the party should try to focus on, it would be Condaleeza Rice. She strikes me as smart, competent, non-exteme, non-divisive and considered.
 
f I were to pick a Republican whom the party should try to focus on, it would be Condaleeza Rice. She strikes me as smart, competent, non-exteme, non-divisive and considered.

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I hope they return to their core values of limited government and self-reliance. This compassionate conservatism BS was something I was totally against in 2000. Just stupid. They need to dump the evangelicals and form the party on a strong platform.

I'd like to see limited government and a reduction in government spending as well. I think Bobby Jindal will be groomed for the next run. Codi Rice certainly would make it interesting.
 
As I see it, the party will devolve into an initial period of internal bickering between those who would support a candidate like Palin, who plays well with the right-wing evangelical crowed but virtually no one else, and those who will look for a new voice of conservatism, perhaps uniting behind a guy like Jindal. IMO, the Palin camp would doom the party to another election cycle of irrelevance. Time for cutting to the core of conservatism and getting out of the phony morality plays.
 
The country is in a downturn, partly of the GOP's making and partly not. I'm actually surprised that the Democrats didn't do better yesterday than they did... McCain still got a huge portion of the popular vote and it looks like the Dems won't get to 60 in the Senate.

The Republicans need to just keep doing what they're doing... but do it better. Eventually things will go sour for the Democrats, or peoples anger towards the GOP will fade, and the party will bounce back.

Ed O.
 
The country is in a downturn, partly of the GOP's making and partly not. I'm actually surprised that the Democrats didn't do better yesterday than they did... McCain still got a huge portion of the popular vote and it looks like the Dems won't get to 60 in the Senate.

I don't agree that things should have been expected to go better for the Democrats. The Democrats have power in government that is extremely rare in history and that's despite the country being right-leaning and the first non-white candidate heading a Presidential ticket. A Senate super-majority is exceedingly rare and was never likely...suggesting that it should have been assumed and not getting it shows surprising strength in the Republican party doesn't seem correct, to me.

I don't think conservatism was repudiated. Conservatism is always part of the human psyche and thus the political landscape. What has happened is that the Democrats have a very charismatic leader and the power to enact legislation. To me, it's very similar to 1980, which was also a protest election. The Republicans gained a charismatic leader and, by framing his ideology as the building of a great, new America, he shifted the nation more to the right. Obama has the chance to frame his own ideology (if he is, in fact, the liberal that some conservatives fear) as the building of a great, new America and he has the charisma to succeed. If he does, he can shift the nation more to the left. There's nothing inherent in Americans that makes them more conservative or more liberal. Like all human populations, if they are sold on an ideology being the way to progress as a society, that becomes the social character.

I'm not saying Obama will do for the left what Reagan did for the right. But a lot of the same elements are in place, and Obama has the ability. Whether he wants to do that and whether he will succeed remains to be seen.
 
I don't agree that things should have been expected to go better for the Democrats. The Democrats have power in government that is extremely rare in history and that's despite the country being right-leaning and the first non-white candidate heading a Presidential ticket. A Senate super-majority is exceedingly rare and was never likely...suggesting that it should have been assumed and not getting it shows surprising strength in the Republican party doesn't seem correct, to me.

I don't think conservatism was repudiated. Conservatism is always part of the human psyche and thus the political landscape. What has happened is that the Democrats have a very charismatic leader and the power to enact legislation. To me, it's very similar to 1980, which was also a protest election. The Republicans gained a charismatic leader and, by framing his ideology as the building of a great, new America, he shifted the nation more to the right. Obama has the chance to frame his own ideology (if he is, in fact, the liberal that some conservatives fear) as the building of a great, new America and he has the charisma to succeed. If he does, he can shift the nation more to the left. There's nothing inherent in Americans that makes them more conservative or more liberal. Like all human populations, if they are sold on an ideology being the way to progress as a society, that becomes the social character.

I'm not saying Obama will do for the left what Reagan did for the right. But a lot of the same elements are in place, and Obama has the ability. Whether he wants to do that and whether he will succeed remains to be seen.

I don't believe it was Reagan's ability to deliver a line, but rather the power of his ideas that pulled America away from the brink.
 
I'd like to see limited government and a reduction in government spending as well. I think Bobby Jindal will be groomed for the next run. Codi Rice certainly would make it interesting.

I think he was wise to steer clear from this train wreck. He got some great exposure during the recent hurricane.
 
I think Palin fits the neo-con style perfectly, but I don't think the neo-con movement is what the Republicans should be embracing. Honestly, if I were to pick a Republican whom the party should try to focus on, it would be Condaleeza Rice. She strikes me as smart, competent, non-exteme, non-divisive and considered.

Can't do it. She was a part of the Bush administration...too much baggage.

Now, if she switches parties or starts supporting Democrats, that all goes away (I.E. Colin Powell).
 
Can't do it. She was a part of the Bush administration...too much baggage.

I don't think many people actually tie her to Bush. Perhaps moreso than they do Powell (who was disassociated with Bush long before he endorsed Obama; it was clear that he never meshed well with the Bush administration). Clearly, this is opinion, but Rice doesn't seem to be placed in the same group as Cheney, Rove and Rumsfeld.
 
I don't believe it was Reagan's ability to deliver a line, but rather the power of his ideas that pulled America away from the brink.

Policies go in and out of vogue and are debated with roughly half the politically aware citizens on one side and half on the other, when it comes to long-standing issues. The thing that tips an electorate heavily toward one end is charisma and the ability to make people believe that certain policies will lead to a better tomorrow, in my opinion. Throughout human history, that's what political leadership has revolved around.
 
You mean the next GM of the San Francisco 49ers?
 
This election was about young vs old. Young people are sick and tired of this country being run by a fucked up out of touch older generation that repeats the same mistakes over and over. In order to gain tangibility again, they need to modernize, and start working modern issues that folks really care about.

While Republicans were talking "Joe the plumber", Democrats were talking to "The IT guy." Joe the plumber is so 50 years ago.

While John McCain was admitting he never uses a computer, Obama was using up to 3 different mobile devices for communication.

These are just a couple of examples. There are a lot out there. The thing to remember is, each generation that is born is much bigger than the one before it. There will always be more younger voters than old unless people start living a really long time, or people quit having sex. If you target the young people, you should always have a good chance of gaining majority.
 
I'm not trying to be argumentative just for argument's sake, but I have a potentially differing viewpoint, hasoos...

I agree that this particular election probably was "young vs. old", though I'd say "new vs. old". But I disagree that there will always be more young voters. I would think that you have to split the 18-29 demographics into "college kids" and "young families"--with and without degrees. This election, I think both were very much for Obama.

But I think that the "older" demographic is something like "55 and up". I think that category will always be a pretty big player in politics, which is why AARP is as connected politically as it is, or why Social Security or Medicare reform is going to be really tough to get through. I think there is a big philosophy shift (at least it was for me) between 24 (recent college grad, military) to 30 (young married, small business owner). I don't think there's a philosophy shift once you're 55 or so. Maybe I'm wrong, and others can let me know.
 
I'm not trying to be argumentative just for argument's sake, but I have a potentially differing viewpoint, hasoos...

I agree that this particular election probably was "young vs. old", though I'd say "new vs. old". But I disagree that there will always be more young voters. I would think that you have to split the 18-29 demographics into "college kids" and "young families"--with and without degrees. This election, I think both were very much for Obama.

But I think that the "older" demographic is something like "55 and up". I think that category will always be a pretty big player in politics, which is why AARP is as connected politically as it is, or why Social Security or Medicare reform is going to be really tough to get through. I think there is a big philosophy shift (at least it was for me) between 24 (recent college grad, military) to 30 (young married, small business owner). I don't think there's a philosophy shift once you're 55 or so. Maybe I'm wrong, and others can let me know.

That will probably all depend on, how long people live. Who knows, maybe one day there will be a "Super old folks" group that is 90 plus. Or maybe the "transplanted brain group" with people who had their brains frozen 150 years ago transplanted into a healthy body. Beats the hell out of me.
 
I agree with hasoos. We have lost two elections with Bob Dole and John McCain. Two people who seemed out of touch due to their age.

Sometimes politics are about young, fresh faces. We could use a few.

Also, I think the republicans need to return to their core values. Small government, lower taxes, family values, stroing defense...
 
I don't agree that things should have been expected to go better for the Democrats. The Democrats have power in government that is extremely rare in history

Learn more history :)

From 1960 to 1980, the Dems controlled the House, Senate, and Presidency for 12 years and both houses for the whole 20. It gave us the Vietnam War, the worst period of civil unrest since the Civil War, the riots at the '68 convention in Chicago, assassinations of JFK, RFK, and MLK Jr., a weak and defeated military, and by the time it was done the worst economy since the Depression.

By 1994 when the Republicans took over both houses of Congress (after Clinton and the Democrats again controlled all 3), the Democrats had controlled the House for near 50 years and the Senate for all but 6 of those 50 years.
 
Learn more history :)

From 1960 to 1980, the Dems controlled the House, Senate, and Presidency for 12 years and both houses for the whole 20. It gave us the Vietnam War, the worst period of civil unrest since the Civil War, the riots at the '68 convention in Chicago, assassinations of JFK, RFK, and MLK Jr., a weak and defeated military, and by the time it was done the worst economy since the Depression.

By 1994 when the Republicans took over both houses of Congress (after Clinton and the Democrats again controlled all 3), the Democrats had controlled the House for near 50 years and the Senate for all but 6 of those 50 years.

Are you sure your data is correct? Do you have a link?
 
R.I.P. Republican Party.

LOL at that.

In 1992, the Democratic Party was in terrible shape - so much so that I wondered if they were going to survive at all. They had no leadership or even interesting presidential candidates. They ran guys like Dukakis and Mondale the previous two elections for goodness' sake (two utter morons). IF, somehow, a Democrat were to be elected president, his choices of experienced people for administration posts consisted of Carter Administration incompetents and LBJ era geezers who were also incompetent.

In contrast, the Republicans had a slew of inspiring potential candidates, including sitting president GHW Bush (awesome resume, weak president tho), Colin Powell, Jim Baker, Bob Dole, Liz Dole, Dick Cheney, Steve Forbes, McCain, and a deep bench. Their choices for administration positions included dozens who'd served in the most successful administration since FDR.

What's gone wrong for the Republicans is that their people with electability (my list above) have all grown too old and the generation of Republicans that followed strayed from Conservatism to something else I think scholars will have a tough time figuring out decades from now.

Bill Clinton rose to power by taking the mess that was the Democratic Party and giving it new direction. Instead of being radical incompetents, he rebuilt the brand as pragmatic and much further to the right than it had been previously. See the hsitory of the DLC. He was still a relatively unknown figure when he ran for president, and was basically a cannon-fodder pick to run against GHW Bush whose approval rating was at 92% - striking fear into all the other big name Democrats so they wouldn't run (where was Ted?).

He won the nomination amidst a perfect storm for the Democrats. GHW Bush's approval rating went into the tank in a hurry with the help of the liberal biased media and the S&L banking mess that sapped his ability to spend govt. money on anything but fixing that situation (Obama pay attention!). He turned out to be a pretty good president in spite of his weak resume and the lack of qualified people to serve in the administration. Why? He did a lot of things that were Conservatives' principles/ideas (he called it triangulation).

The republicans had their chance at all three (House, Senate, Presidency) but WTF? They're not Conservatives - they spent money like drunken sailors and bloated the govt. and completely strayed from Conservative ideas.

So now the parties' positions have switched to a degree - the Republicans still have quality administration level people still (Condi for example). The rise (return) of the Republicans will somewhat mirror Clinton's rise. They need a charismatic figure to provide direction and rebuild the brand. The Democrats are not likely to help themselves over the next two years or four years, but the Republicans may only be able to make modest gains until the brand is more solid.

It's going to take a real shift in philosophy to capture the peoples' imaginations. The Conservative talk/no-Conservative action along with over pandering to the Religious Right isn't a winning formula. The Republicans were stronger when they were the only choice for the Religious Right to support and those people could be motivated to be the feet on the street (campaign organization), but not in dictating policy.

The other obvious mistake the Republicans have made is their assinine fixation on demonizing illegal immigrants. The Hispanic voting bloc was a huge force for the Republicans in the Reagan era and are a considerable counter to the Democrats' black voting bloc (and growing faster/bigger). For the purpose of appearing to stand on principle (which I don't get), they continuously chased away the Hispanic voters starting in California (and California used to vote Republican) and moving on to the rest of the nation.

I am obviously biased, I agree with Shape's post as a good starting point but would go further and suggest the Republicans relearn what actual Conservatism is about and stress its Libertarian principles again. They're so appealing (and correct) that Reagan won every state but one after his first term.
 
Are you sure your data is correct? Do you have a link?

Which data?

1960 JFK = 4 years
1964 LBJ = 4 years
1968 Nixon
1972 Nixon
1976 Carter = 4 years
(total 12)

The Republicans won the Senate for 6 years in 1980 on Reagan's coattails, but lost it again to the Democrats in 1986.

http://www.rollcall.com/issues/54_53/politics/29730-1.html?type=printer_friendly

[FONT=verdana,arial, helvetica, geneva]Prior to 1954, when Democrats took over the House for what turned out to be 40 years and the Senate for 26 years, Congress exhibited a penchant for volatile swings in partisan control. But even during those and other extended periods of a political party’s dominance over either chamber, there have been large gains for the minority, with even generally popular presidents finding themselves rebuffed by the voters in midterm years. [/FONT]
 
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