When Was The Last "Significant" Trade The Blazers Have Made?

[ABM]

(My mind is still numb from last night's loss)

Seriously, barring draft-day trades, when was it? The Z-Bo trade? (or was that on draft day?)

 

[maxiep]

Camby for Blake/Outlaw.

 

[maxiep]

We've drafted well and have had good success with building a team from the ground up. There hasn't been much of a reason to trade for core guys. After Whitsitt, it was more about trading AWAY the malignant tumors than bringing in talent.

 

[Mediocre Man]

(My mind is still numb from last night's loss)

Seriously, barring draft-day trades, when was it? The Z-Bo trade? (or was that on draft day?)

Camby for Blanky and Chucklaw.


Depending on what they end up doing with it, it could be Bayless for NO 1st

 

[crandc]

ZBo was draft day. I agree the Camby for Blake/Outlaw was significant, but depends on your definition of significant.

 

[Blazinaway]

We've drafted well and have had good success with building a team from the ground up. There hasn't been much of a reason to trade for core guys. After Whitsitt, it was more about trading AWAY the malignant tumors than bringing in talent.

Besides the Roy/Aldridge draft I'm not so sure about our "draft success".

 

[Mediocre Man]

ZBo was draft day. I agree the Camby for Blake/Outlaw was significant, but depends on your definition of significant.

With this ownership and front office, I think any trade is significant.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Besides the Roy/Aldridge draft I'm not so sure about our "draft success".

I agree whole heartedly with you. batum would be another guy that should be considered a success. maybe to a much lesser extent, Rudy. The misses are much more than the hits though.

Roy
Aldridge
Batum

Rudy
Bayless

Sergio
Greg
Claver
Freeland
Koponen

 

[Masbee]

(My mind is still numb from last night's loss)

Seriously, barring draft-day trades, when was it? The Z-Bo trade? (or was that on draft day?)

Blake/Outlaw for Camby
Wallace for SAR/Ratliff
Rider/Jackson for Steve Smith
Cato/Etc for Pippen
Strickland for Wallace

 

[maxiep]

Besides the Roy/Aldridge draft I'm not so sure about our "draft success".

No draft is perfect, but Nico, Rudy, Dante and Patty were decent pickups from the draft. Babbitt, Williams and Johnson are incompletes. When GO is healthy, he earns his draft slot. I think Bayless was a good draft pick. Our last real blown pick was Martell (go ahead and flame away about Durant).

 

[maxiep]

I would define "significant" as getting a quality starter out of a deal.

 

[hasoos]

No draft is perfect, but Nico, Rudy, Dante and Patty were decent pickups from the draft. Babbitt, Williams and Johnson are incompletes. When GO is healthy, he earns his draft slot. I think Bayless was a good draft pick. Our last real blown pick was Martell (go ahead and flame away about Durant).

Incompletes is a very diplomatic way of putting it. There have been many years now of the Blazers passing up guys who are very productive in their first year only to take some guy who never plays. I sure hope some of them work out. Hell out of all of our draft picks since Roy/Aldridge, the most productive have been Pendergraph and Cunningham, both 2nd rounders. Considering how many 1st rounders we had, that is pretty bad.

 

[crandc]

I would define "significant" as getting a quality starter out of a deal.

Serious, maxie? So a good bench player doesn't count? No team wins with just 5 quality players.

Allow me to offer my own definition: Significant means landing a player who is part of the team's regular rotation. This may be direct (e.g. Camby) or indirect (getting a draft pick and the pick becomes or is dealt for a rotation player).

 

[The_Lillard_King]

What were the Blazers thinking with Babbit?

 

[ABM]

Hard to say.

 

[maxiep]

What were the Blazers thinking with Babbit?

I've heard his nickname at the practice facility is "Jermaine" because he dominates practices but doesn't sniff the floor.

Where he was selected, Babbitt was considered a solid pick if not a bargain.

I'm giving him a little more time than just under half a season to call him a bust.

 

[oldguy]

Incompletes is a very diplomatic way of putting it. There have been many years now of the Blazers passing up guys who are very productive in their first year only to take some guy who never plays. I sure hope some of them work out. Hell out of all of our draft picks since Roy/Aldridge, the most productive have been Pendergraph and Cunningham, both 2nd rounders. Considering how many 1st rounders we had, that is pretty bad.

I trust you are forgetting Nic?

Go Blazers

 

[e_blazer]

I've heard his nickname at the practice facility is "Jermaine" because he dominates practices but doesn't sniff the floor.

Where he was selected, Babbitt was considered a solid pick if not a bargain.

I'm giving him a little more time than just under half a season to call him a bust.

Exactly. Look at what Mills is contributing this season compared to what he did a year ago. Nate doesn't play rookies much, so it's not surprising that Babbitt hasn't "sniffed the floor". That doesn't mean that a year from now he won't be a regular part of the rotation.

 

[hasoos]

I've heard his nickname at the practice facility is "Jermaine" because he dominates practices but doesn't sniff the floor.

Where he was selected, Babbitt was considered a solid pick if not a bargain.

I'm giving him a little more time than just under half a season to call him a bust.

Man that is crazy though. This team isn't good enough to do that IMO. Mathews ends up playing backup minutes at the 3 and we can't get a real 3 with size minutes? That makes no sense to me unless Nate just wanted to go small.

 

[MARIS61]

We've made no positive trades since Whitsitt was here. We have made some significantly bad trades since.

 

[james3921]

We've made no positive trades since Whitsitt was here. We have made some significantly bad trades since.

what about when we traded for sergio?

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I've heard his nickname at the practice facility is "Jermaine" because he dominates practices but doesn't sniff the floor.

Where he was selected, Babbitt was considered a solid pick if not a bargain.

I'm giving him a little more time than just under half a season to call him a bust.

You take as long as you want before calling him a bust.

Given your take on Oden, Babbit gets 4 plus years before you are ready to go out on a limb.

 

[Nikolokolus]

What were the Blazers thinking with Babbit?

KP's "eff you" dance?

 

[RoyToy]

What were the Blazers thinking with Babbit?

Ryan Gomes' contract which helped them get Wesley Matthews.

 

[MIXUM]

Looks like cho is trying to top bayless trade! Batum for late lotto picks!

 

[oldmangrouch]

We've drafted well and have had good success with building a team from the ground up. There hasn't been much of a reason to trade for core guys. After Whitsitt, it was more about trading AWAY the malignant tumors than bringing in talent.

Has the team really drafted that well? In the last 4 drafts, they have had a ton of first round picks....and Batum is the only one who might be part of the future core. The last 2 drafts - Claver, Williams, and Babbitt - were downright hideous. When you throw in Sergio, Freeland and Koponen, Oden's injuries, Rudy's rotten attitude, and the fact Bayless was traded for squat.....I am begining to seriously re-evaluate KP's performance as a GM.

 

[Boob-No-More]

A lot of the picks we've had have been in the mid to late 20s or early to mid 30s. These picks were bought, or traded for, on or slightly before, draft day. Because, other teams know it's always a crap shoot when you're picking that low (or lower). Half the guys picked that low don't amount to shit in the NBA. So, when you consider we got Batum at 25 (starter as a 19-year old rookie), Rudy at 24 (regular rotation player), Dante at 33 (regular rotation player) and Patty at 55 (now part of the regular rotation), I think we've actually done better than average. Yes, we missed out on a few guys. I would have personally taken Paul Millsap at 30 or 31 in 2006, and Dejuan Blair over Claver (22), Pendergraph (31) or Cunningham (33) in 2009, but it's not like we were the only teams that passed on those guys. Every year, there are one or two guys (Michael Redd, Monta Ellis, Paul Millsap, Wesley Matthews, etc.) that should have been drafted much higher, but there are also a ton of guys who end up totally worthless. The fact that we have one full time starter and three rotation players that were drafted 24 and lower seems to put us a head of the averages. And, although we didn't draft Mattews (no one did), the Blazers staff identified him as a desirable player worthy of a "toxic" offer after his rookie season and did what it took to get him.

At one point, I thought using late first round picks on Euros made sense, but things changed when players in Europe started earning salaries far above the NBA rookie scale. I think if Pritchard can be criticized for anything, it is failing to realize this and continuing to throw away first round picks on young, unproven European players (especially Claver) who will likely never play for the team. For the last three or four years, it has made much more sense to use early second round picks on international players, so they won't be bound by the NBA rookie pay scale. If KP was really high on Claver, it would have made much more sense to pick a US player (like Dejuan Blair) at 22 and then pick Claver at 31. That way, if Claver actually ends up being good, Paul Allen can simply open his wallet and pay him enough to get him to come play in the US. As it is, if Claver does pan out (not a given), he'll be locked into a long term, lucrative deal in Europe before the Blazers even have a chance to offer him a significant contract. And, it he doesn't pan out, it was a wasted pick anyway.

KP "lucked out" when he convinced Rudy to come play in the NBA for less money. And, after that, he seemd to think he could work the same "magic" on other young European players. Not so. They can make more money sooner, and play a much less strenous schedule, closer to home, by staying in Europe. Other than a burning desire to throw away millions to play in the NBA, there is no incentive for these guys to ever leave Europe. Shit, Minnesota can't even lure Ricky Rubio to the NBA, and as the 5th pick, they could actually offer him a very substantial contract. It's much hard to convince a guy taken in the mid-20s that he should come to the NBA when you can't even offer him $1 million a year to play here when he can make 2 - 4x that much playing over there.

BNM

 

[Harry's Raincoat]

1989 Sam Bowie for Buck Williams

 

[Nikolokolus]

Looks like cho is trying to top bayless trade! Batum for late lotto picks!

Just stop.

 

[Boob-No-More]

We've made no positive trades since Whitsitt was here. We have made some significantly bad trades since.

And some even worse ones while he was still here:

Brian Grant for Shawn Kemp
Jermaine O'Neal for Dale Davis
Steve Smith for Derek Anderson
Clyde Drexler for Otis Thorpe