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bodyman5000 and 1 said:
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He's right about racists. However, I couldn't imagine ever calling you a racist or any other bad thing.
dviss, a racist? No, clearly not. I think he's just incensed at the way he and others that he knows and/or loves have been ill treated by racists. I can see how you might view him as racist but he's not.
I think if you or I had been as poorly treated as him or his friends and loved ones, others might describe us as racists because of our outrage.

It's my belief that you guys are both idealists and have more in common than you think.
 
Lanny said:
He's right about racists. However, I couldn't imagine ever calling you a racist or any other bad thing.
dviss, a racist? No, clearly not. I think he's just incensed at the way he and others that he knows and/or loves have been ill treated by racists. I can see how you might view him as racist but he's not.
I think if you or I had been as poorly treated as him or his friends and loved ones, others might describe us as racists because of our outrage.

It's my belief that you guys are both idealists and have more in common than you think.
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And here I thought @kjironman1 was the only bridge-builder we had in this forum!
 
dviss1 said:
If you're racist, you're mentally ill.
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Anyone who believes separate human races even exist is intelligence-challenged.

Anyone who hates people based solely on appearance is irrational.

Anyone who allows stupid irrational people to consume their thoughts and limited time on this Earth is wasting a precious gift.
 
Lanny said:
You assert that Soros is funding the group of migrants in question so how about a credible link?

Here's what Fact Check says:
https://www.factcheck.org/2018/10/no-evidence-soros-is-funding-immigrant-caravan/

Of course, we all know that Fact Check is a bunch of liars funded by Soros.
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Definitely far-left liars.

FactCheck.org
FactCheck.org was launched by the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania, which was founded by the late philanthropists Walter and Lenore Annenberg, friends of former Presidents Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan. FactCheck’s current editor is Angie Drobnic Holan.


The website is perhaps the least overtly partisan “fact checker” in this list. However, the organization came under fire after it published a July 21, 2015, piece called “Unspinning the Planned Parenthood Video,” an entry that defended the abortion provider during the baby-parts scandal. Several leftist groups linked to the article, tweeted it and shared it on Facebook.

Breitbart’s John Sexton noted that FactCheck.org only addressed one video in a series of at least seven videos exposing the baby-parts trade. The site wrote about an interview with Deborah Nucatola of Planned Parenthood, who commented on crushing babies. Nucatola also suggested Planned Parenthood is satisfied with turning a profit in the body-parts trade, so long as doing so doesn’t make the nonprofit look bad.


Sexton writes: Here is how FactCheck frames Nucatola’s admission: ‘Nucatola does make one statement in the unedited video that suggests to critics that some clinics would be comfortable with a payment that was slightly more than their expenses for providing the tissue.’ Is this really only suggestive to critics? Why isn’t it just a fact that she admitted it despite her obvious concern about getting caught? And is it possible Planned Parenthood has supporters as well? Might the supporters be eager to downplay this admission? FactCheck doesn’t have anything to say about that. It’s another instance of the real story being sidestepped by introducing a partisan narrative, i.e. ‘Republicans pounced.'”


In yet another article concerning FactCheck.org, Breitbart reported the site was forced to “make an embarrassing correction” after it appeared to have made up a quote that never appeared in Peter Schweizer’s book, “Clinton Cash.” The site falsely claimed Schweizer wrote in his book that Hillary Clinton had “veto power” and “could have stopped” the sale of 20 percent of U.S. uranium to the Russian government.


In 2016, FactCheck.org claimed TV host Bill Nye is “more of a scientist than [Sarah] Palin,” and the site listed his “six honorary doctorate degrees, including Ph.D.s in science from Goucher College and Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute” as evidence for its assertion.


In 2015, FactCheck.org dubbed Donald Trump the “King of Whoppers.”


“In the 12 years of FactCheck.org’s existence, we’ve never seen his match,” the site wrote. “He stands out not only for the sheer number of his factually false claims, but also for his brazen refusals to admit error when proven wrong.”


In a post titled, “Trump’s bogus voter fraud claims,” FactCheck.org stated, “Donald Trump is citing unsubstantiated urban myths and a contested academic study to paint a false narrative about rampant voter fraud in the U.S. and the likelihood of a ‘rigged’ election.”


While Trump said the U.S. has a problem with ballots that are cast by illegal immigrants and on behalf of dead people – a 2014 study in the Electoral Studies Journal shows illegals may have cast as many as 2.8 million votes in 2008 and 2010 and investigations have found that ballots have been cast for dead people in multiple elections – FactCheck.org found, “his evidence is lacking,” and “researchers say voter fraud involving ballots cast on behalf of deceased voters is rare.”


Any examination of a “fact-checking” website would not be complete without a look at the organization’s primary source of funding. FactCheck.org receives the largest amount of its funding from the Annenberg Foundation, which funds a number of nonprofits. The foundation funded the Chicago Annenberg Challenge to the tune of $49.2 million. In 1995, Barack Obama was a founding member of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. He remained on the board until 2001, when the challenge was phased out.


According to CNN, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge was the brainchild of Weather Underground terrorist group co-founder Bill Ayers. “A review of board minutes and records by CNN show Obama crossed paths repeatedly with Ayers at board meetings of the Annenberg Challenge Project,” CNN reported. The Wall Street Journal reported, “The group poured more than $100 million into the hands of community organizers and radical education activists.”
 
Lanny said:
He's right about racists. However, I couldn't imagine ever calling you a racist or any other bad thing.
dviss, a racist? No, clearly not. I think he's just incensed at the way he and others that he knows and/or loves have been ill treated by racists. I can see how you might view him as racist but he's not.
I think if you or I had been as poorly treated as him or his friends and loved ones, others might describe us as racists because of our outrage.

It's my belief that you guys are both idealists and have more in common than you think.
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I was bullied until I was 13 years old.

That's when I determined that most people are shit.

I know Dviss isn't a racist but he sure trots out the old stereotypes all the time.

I think I understand why and Further explained it pretty good.

I say people need to be consistent if they want to be taken seriously. Don't preach something as a core belief and then in passing ignore it. I don't want to sound preachy, I just admit my hypocrisy. There are beliefs I have that I can't defend. Just admit it.

Right is right and wrong is wrong.
 
MARIS61 said:
Definitely far-left liars.

FactCheck.org
FactCheck.org was launched by the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania, which was founded by the late philanthropists Walter and Lenore Annenberg, friends of former Presidents Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan. FactCheck’s current editor is Angie Drobnic Holan.


The website is perhaps the least overtly partisan “fact checker” in this list. However, the organization came under fire after it published a July 21, 2015, piece called “Unspinning the Planned Parenthood Video,” an entry that defended the abortion provider during the baby-parts scandal. Several leftist groups linked to the article, tweeted it and shared it on Facebook.

Breitbart’s John Sexton noted that FactCheck.org only addressed one video in a series of at least seven videos exposing the baby-parts trade. The site wrote about an interview with Deborah Nucatola of Planned Parenthood, who commented on crushing babies. Nucatola also suggested Planned Parenthood is satisfied with turning a profit in the body-parts trade, so long as doing so doesn’t make the nonprofit look bad.


Sexton writes: Here is how FactCheck frames Nucatola’s admission: ‘Nucatola does make one statement in the unedited video that suggests to critics that some clinics would be comfortable with a payment that was slightly more than their expenses for providing the tissue.’ Is this really only suggestive to critics? Why isn’t it just a fact that she admitted it despite her obvious concern about getting caught? And is it possible Planned Parenthood has supporters as well? Might the supporters be eager to downplay this admission? FactCheck doesn’t have anything to say about that. It’s another instance of the real story being sidestepped by introducing a partisan narrative, i.e. ‘Republicans pounced.'”


In yet another article concerning FactCheck.org, Breitbart reported the site was forced to “make an embarrassing correction” after it appeared to have made up a quote that never appeared in Peter Schweizer’s book, “Clinton Cash.” The site falsely claimed Schweizer wrote in his book that Hillary Clinton had “veto power” and “could have stopped” the sale of 20 percent of U.S. uranium to the Russian government.


In 2016, FactCheck.org claimed TV host Bill Nye is “more of a scientist than [Sarah] Palin,” and the site listed his “six honorary doctorate degrees, including Ph.D.s in science from Goucher College and Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute” as evidence for its assertion.


In 2015, FactCheck.org dubbed Donald Trump the “King of Whoppers.”


“In the 12 years of FactCheck.org’s existence, we’ve never seen his match,” the site wrote. “He stands out not only for the sheer number of his factually false claims, but also for his brazen refusals to admit error when proven wrong.”


In a post titled, “Trump’s bogus voter fraud claims,” FactCheck.org stated, “Donald Trump is citing unsubstantiated urban myths and a contested academic study to paint a false narrative about rampant voter fraud in the U.S. and the likelihood of a ‘rigged’ election.”


While Trump said the U.S. has a problem with ballots that are cast by illegal immigrants and on behalf of dead people – a 2014 study in the Electoral Studies Journal shows illegals may have cast as many as 2.8 million votes in 2008 and 2010 and investigations have found that ballots have been cast for dead people in multiple elections – FactCheck.org found, “his evidence is lacking,” and “researchers say voter fraud involving ballots cast on behalf of deceased voters is rare.”


Any examination of a “fact-checking” website would not be complete without a look at the organization’s primary source of funding. FactCheck.org receives the largest amount of its funding from the Annenberg Foundation, which funds a number of nonprofits. The foundation funded the Chicago Annenberg Challenge to the tune of $49.2 million. In 1995, Barack Obama was a founding member of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. He remained on the board until 2001, when the challenge was phased out.


According to CNN, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge was the brainchild of Weather Underground terrorist group co-founder Bill Ayers. “A review of board minutes and records by CNN show Obama crossed paths repeatedly with Ayers at board meetings of the Annenberg Challenge Project,” CNN reported. The Wall Street Journal reported, “The group poured more than $100 million into the hands of community organizers and radical education activists.”
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Hmmmm. Calls Fact Check "Far Left Liars" While quoting Breitbart..... Interesting.
 
kjironman1 said:
Engineers just make my life tougher......
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It's nice to hear we're doing our job, making your life tougher. You know, sometimes we make design changes not because they're better designs but just for the chuckle we get out of making your life more difficult. Tee hee.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
I was bullied until I was 13 years old.

That's when I determined that most people are shit.

I know Dviss isn't a racist but he sure trots out the old stereotypes all the time.

I think I understand why and Further explained it pretty good.

I say people need to be consistent if they want to be taken seriously. Don't preach something as a core belief and then in passing ignore it. I don't want to sound preachy, I just admit my hypocrisy. There are beliefs I have that I can't defend. Just admit it.

Right is right and wrong is wrong.
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I was bullied until I was 18 and got beefy. Suddenly, people shut up about me.

I recall one time in Atlanta when my younger brother and I took a walk over to Piedmont park, which I presume is still there. A couple guys with their dates drove slowly past us with windows rolled down. One guy leaned out the window and yelled, what are, a couple queers? I ran over toward the car, they peeled rubber getting the hell out of there. I could have torn the door off to get at them. From then on, I never had a problem with bullies.

Funny thing, I still can't stand bullies enough that I challenge them. I really need to change because I can only walk a short distance and that's with a cane. My wife typically wheels me around in a wheel chair. I think my tough days are behind me.

I do believe in white and black right and wrong stuff, and I'm not speaking of race. However, I see a lot that's different shades of gray.

I'm a Christian and I see a lot that's properly classified as right and wrong but every Sunday I pray for forgiveness for all my wrong the last week. I also pray for the extra strength I need to correct it.

Do I expect everyone else to be a Christian? No, that's their business, although I wish they were Christians and that's my business.
 
Lanny said:
I was bullied until I was 18 and got beefy. Suddenly, people shut up about me.

I recall one time in Atlanta when my younger brother and I took a walk over to Piedmont park, which I presume is still there. A couple guys with their dates drove slowly past us with windows rolled down. One guy leaned out the window and yelled, what are, a couple queers? I ran over toward the car, they peeled rubber getting the hell out of there. I could have torn the door off to get at them. From then on, I never had a problem with bullies.

Funny thing, I still can't stand bullies enough that I challenge them. I really need to change because I can only walk a short distance and that's with a cane. My wife typically wheels me around in a wheel chair. I think my tough days are behind me.

I do believe in white and black right and wrong stuff, and I'm not speaking of race. However, I see a lot that's different shades of gray.

I'm a Christian and I see a lot that's properly classified as right and wrong but every Sunday I pray for forgiveness for all my wrong the last week. I also pray for the extra strength I need to correct it.

Do I expect everyone else to be a Christian? No, that's their business, although I wish they were Christians and that's my business.
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My point as to right and wrong is that if being bullied is accepted as being wrong then don't turn around and be a bully when you get the chance.

If me saying all black people so and so.....is offensive and it obviously is.....

Don't turn around and lump all white people together in the same fashion. Or conservatives. Or call black people that have different ideas uncle tom. That shit drives me insane.

We've been conditioned that we can't say things or do things that people with a different skin color can say now. When you call bullshit they invariably respond with "you just wanna say the N word"

I don't want to say it. If I ever do want to say it I will. I can't think of a reason I would except for when I sing along to Public Enemy.

By the way...I am allowed to sing the words "white man's got a God complex" when I sing Public Enemy. And I do.

The past is important to remember so we don't make the same mistakes. Not to rub it in someone's face every time any argument happens.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
My point as to right and wrong is that if being bullied is accepted as being wrong then don't turn around and be a bully when you get the chance.

If me saying all black people so and so.....is offensive and it obviously is.....

Don't turn around and lump all white people together in the same fashion. Or conservatives. Or call black people that have different ideas uncle tom. That shit drives me insane.

We've been conditioned that we can't say things or do things that people with a different skin color can say now. When you call bullshit they invariably respond with "you just wanna say the N word"

I don't want to say it. If I ever do want to say it I will. I can't think of a reason I would except for when I sing along to Public Enemy.

By the way...I am allowed to sing the words "white man's got a God complex" when I sing Public Enemy. And I do.

The past is important to remember so we don't make the same mistakes. Not to rub it in someone's face every time any argument happens.
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I promise to do my best to not do that.
 
Lanny said:
I promise to do my best to not do that.
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My new best friend at work is a 21 year old lesbian. We had a Halloween party at work and she and a few other of the women dressed up.

My friend had to leave to take her mom to the doctor and the office manager came around and asked us to vote for the best costume. I voted for another girl, not my friend.

The next day first thing I told my friend I didn't vote for her. She was slightly miffed but I told her that I always vote my conscience and why I told her I didn't vote for her is because we're friends. She said that's why she likes me.
 
Lanny said:
It's nice to hear we're doing our job, making your life tougher. You know, sometimes we make design changes not because they're better designs but just for the chuckle we get out of making your life more difficult. Tee hee.
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Amazing that this is exactly what we all expect is the truth.
 
MARIS61 said:
You proved they voted for her anyway.
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Or the conclusion could be that the article you showed wasn't accurate as well as the false fact most Americans support Trump. Both fake news from you.
 
CupWizier said:
Or the conclusion could be that the article you showed wasn't accurate as well as the false fact most Americans support Trump. Both fake news from you.
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All he does is fake news.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
My new best friend at work is a 21 year old lesbian. We had a Halloween party at work and she and a few other of the women dressed up.

My friend had to leave to take her mom to the doctor and the office manager came around and asked us to vote for the best costume. I voted for another girl, not my friend.

The next day first thing I told my friend I didn't vote for her. She was slightly miffed but I told her that I always vote my conscience and why I told her I didn't vote for her is because we're friends. She said that's why she likes me.
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Hell, you gotta like a story like that.
 
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