Which Nets are Skiles-type players?

[cpawfan]

The new GM and a new Head Coach in Milwaukee have a roster full of non-Skiles-types. Appears to be a good time to attempt to pry some of their better players.

So which Nets would appeal to Skiles?

 

[FOMW]

What do you define as "Skiles type players"?

 

[cpawfan]

Jason Kidd, Vince Carter, Ben Wallace, Tim Thomas, Tyson Chandler and Jamal Crawford aren't Skiles types of players

 

[FOMW]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 24 2008, 11:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jason Kidd, Vince Carter, Ben Wallace, Tim Thomas, Tyson Chandler and Jamal Crawford aren't Skiles types of players</div>

Okay. Now would you care to answer the question?

 

[Netted]

I have no idea who is a Skiles type player. What players has he loved and why?

 

[SportsTicker]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 24 2008, 11:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jason Kidd, Vince Carter, Ben Wallace, Tim Thomas, Tyson Chandler and Jamal Crawford aren't Skiles types of players</div>

Judging by John Hammond's past and his unfettered control of the roster, you might want to rephrase the question. (Answer might be the same)

Youre right though, they will be active. Problem is that there are so many bad contracts: Simmons, Bell, Gadzuric, that he will be hard pressed to move all that fast. Since he doesn't have excess picks, he is even more hamstrung in making deals.

 

[cpawfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Apr 24 2008, 12:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 24 2008, 11:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jason Kidd, Vince Carter, Ben Wallace, Tim Thomas, Tyson Chandler and Jamal Crawford aren't Skiles types of players</div>

Okay. Now would you care to answer the question?
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I didn't believe it was a serious question. Skiles has coached over 530 NBA games and had well publicized player issues.

Skiles is a control freak that wants everything done his way. No free lancing on the court and no dissenting opinions off the court. He values grit and hard work over talent, believes in defense first and doesn't stop riding players when they make simple mistakes.

 

[Kid Chocolate]

we need bogut!

 

[Netted]

There aren't many players from Milwaukee that I think I would even want outside of Redd. Only other ones that I find interesting are Bogut and maybe Bell. And Bell is the only one I could see them parting with. Not sure I'm that interested in him anymore with Kidd gone. I thought he would have made a good combo guard off the bench.

 

[cpawfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Apr 24 2008, 12:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 24 2008, 11:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jason Kidd, Vince Carter, Ben Wallace, Tim Thomas, Tyson Chandler and Jamal Crawford aren't Skiles types of players</div>

Judging by John Hammond's past and his unfettered control of the roster, you might want to rephrase the question. (Answer might be the same)

Youre right though, they will be active. Problem is that there are so many bad contracts: Simmons, Bell, Gadzuric, that he will be hard pressed to move all that fast. Since he doesn't have excess picks, he is even more hamstrung in making deals.
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Hammond doesn't hire a coach like Skiles and Skiles doesn't accept a coaching position without an understanding of the direction the roster needs to go in.

The odd thing to me is that Hammond has been very involved with player development in his career while Skiles has a poor track record of developing players as a coach.

 

[Kid Chocolate]

I'd kill myself before acquiring Michael Redd, not a good team player.

 

[FOMW]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 24 2008, 11:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Apr 24 2008, 12:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 24 2008, 11:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jason Kidd, Vince Carter, Ben Wallace, Tim Thomas, Tyson Chandler and Jamal Crawford aren't Skiles types of players</div>

Okay. Now would you care to answer the question?
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I didn't believe it was a serious question. Skiles has coached over 530 NBA games and had well publicized player issues.

Skiles is a control freak that wants everything done his way. No free lancing on the court and no dissenting opinions off the court. He values grit and hard work over talent, believes in defense first and doesn't stop riding players when they make simple mistakes.
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Your response makes clear that your thread is not serious either.

If your assessment of his "type" of players is correct, it's obvious that none of the Nets players are his type of players. And, frankly, there aren't too many of that type anywhere in the league.

 

[ghoti]

Trent Hassell. Josh Boone.

He might like Diop and Nachbar, but they are FA.

He would hate RJ, both Wiliamses.

Basically, the Nets have nothing to offer Skiles.


Skiles will like Bogut. Bogut will now be the focal point of that team - which is how it should have been from the start.

Mo Williams absolutely cannot play for the Bucks. He won't last five minutes into the first practice.

 

[cpawfan]

Hassell, Diop and Boone are the only Nets I see that could fit into a Skiles system.

Hammond might like Ager

 

[FOMW]

No player with the Josh Boone's self-confidence fragility would fit what cpawfan described as a Skiles-type player. Hassell is the only guy that MIGHT.

 

[cpawfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 24 2008, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Skiles will like Bogut. Bogut will now be the focal point of that team - which is how it should have been from the start.</div>

Skiles hasn't demonstrated any desire to feed the post in his previous stops, so I don't see Bogut becoming the focal point.

 

[Netted]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 24 2008, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Trent Hassell. Josh Boone.

He might like Diop and Nachbar, but they are FA.

He would hate RJ, both Wiliamses.

Basically, the Nets have nothing to offer Skiles.


Skiles will like Bogut. Bogut will now be the focal point of that team - which is how it should have been from the start.

Mo Williams absolutely cannot play for the Bucks. He won't last five minutes into the first practice.</div>
Do you think they'll keep Redd?

Did Skiles like Marion? Could there be a Mo Williams for Marion trade in the future?

 

[cpawfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Apr 24 2008, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No player with the Josh Boone's self-confidence fragility would fit what cpawfan described as a Skiles-type player. Hassell is the only guy that MIGHT.</div>

Boone would get plenty of playing time under Skiles though because he'll do what he is told.

 

[Chutney]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (THE DADDY @ Apr 24 2008, 11:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>we need bogut!</div>
I think everyone in the league is hoping Skiles butts heads with Bogut and they can't get along. He's been stuck in Milwaukee for far too long.

 

[Dumpy]

marcus williams

 

[Netted]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 24 2008, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Apr 24 2008, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No player with the Josh Boone's self-confidence fragility would fit what cpawfan described as a Skiles-type player. Hassell is the only guy that MIGHT.</div>

Boone would get plenty of playing time under Skiles though because he'll do what he is told.
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They can just dust off Gadzuric and get some of their money's worth out of him.

 

[Netted]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Apr 24 2008, 01:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>marcus williams</div>
He plays for the Clippers.

 

[SportsTicker]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 24 2008, 12:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Apr 24 2008, 12:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 24 2008, 11:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jason Kidd, Vince Carter, Ben Wallace, Tim Thomas, Tyson Chandler and Jamal Crawford aren't Skiles types of players</div>

Judging by John Hammond's past and his unfettered control of the roster, you might want to rephrase the question. (Answer might be the same)

Youre right though, they will be active. Problem is that there are so many bad contracts: Simmons, Bell, Gadzuric, that he will be hard pressed to move all that fast. Since he doesn't have excess picks, he is even more hamstrung in making deals.
</div>

Hammond doesn't hire a coach like Skiles and Skiles doesn't accept a coaching position without an understanding of the direction the roster needs to go in.

The odd thing to me is that Hammond has been very involved with player development in his career while Skiles has a poor track record of developing players as a coach.
</div>

Like I said, the same page, but it will be Hammond's call since he's the one with the control. Hammond has made some smart pick-ups, and a couple that were genius. (He and Dumars did, however, have the worst draft of any team ever: choosing Darko and Delfino at #2 and #25 over (fill in the blanks).

Skiles, I have always thought, was the kind of coach desperate teams call on, thinking they need a tough taskmaster. Problem is that he has failed to produce.

 

[SportsTicker]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Apr 24 2008, 12:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 24 2008, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Apr 24 2008, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No player with the Josh Boone's self-confidence fragility would fit what cpawfan described as a Skiles-type player. Hassell is the only guy that MIGHT.</div>

Boone would get plenty of playing time under Skiles though because he'll do what he is told.
</div>
They can just dust off Gadzuric and get some of their money's worth out of him.
</div>

Perhaps the most foul prone big man in the league...other than Mikki Moore, of course.

 

[cpawfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Apr 24 2008, 01:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 24 2008, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Apr 24 2008, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No player with the Josh Boone's self-confidence fragility would fit what cpawfan described as a Skiles-type player. Hassell is the only guy that MIGHT.</div>

Boone would get plenty of playing time under Skiles though because he'll do what he is told.
</div>
They can just dust off Gadzuric and get some of their money's worth out of him.
</div>

I'm sure they will, but Skiles needs more than one big of that type

 

[Netted]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Apr 24 2008, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Apr 24 2008, 12:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 24 2008, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Apr 24 2008, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No player with the Josh Boone's self-confidence fragility would fit what cpawfan described as a Skiles-type player. Hassell is the only guy that MIGHT.</div>

Boone would get plenty of playing time under Skiles though because he'll do what he is told.
</div>
They can just dust off Gadzuric and get some of their money's worth out of him.
</div>

Perhaps the most foul prone big man in the league...other than Mikki Moore, of course.
</div>
Designated team goon. Skiles will love him.

 

[cpawfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Apr 24 2008, 01:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Like I said, the same page, but it will be Hammond's call since he's the one with the control. Hammond has made some smart pick-ups, and a couple that were genius. (He and Dumars did, however, have the worst draft of any team ever: choosing Darko and Delfino at #2 and #25 over (fill in the blanks).</div>

The big question to me is what Hammond's thinks of Yi

 

[SportsTicker]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 24 2008, 12:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Apr 24 2008, 01:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Like I said, the same page, but it will be Hammond's call since he's the one with the control. Hammond has made some smart pick-ups, and a couple that were genius. (He and Dumars did, however, have the worst draft of any team ever: choosing Darko and Delfino at #2 and #25 over (fill in the blanks).</div>

The big question to me is what Hammond's thinks of Yi
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Good question, but when a small market team has a big audience in the biggest market in the world, they aint trading him. Dont know if you saw the story the other day about how every player on the Rockets but Yao has a deal with a Chinese sneaker company. Playing with Yao or Yi is like playing with Kidd. Kidd made everyone else better. Yi and Yao makes everyone else richer.

 

[Netted]

I could see Milwaukee dealing with Portland. Mo Williams for Blake, some other player (Frye?) and #1 pick. Portland wants a point with more veteran presence and they have too many picks to realisticly use. PG has to be a valuable position to Skiles (being a former pg himself) and I could see Blake being his guy.

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 24 2008, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Apr 24 2008, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Skiles will like Bogut. Bogut will now be the focal point of that team - which is how it should have been from the start.</div>

Skiles hasn't demonstrated any desire to feed the post in his previous stops, so I don't see Bogut becoming the focal point.
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Who did he have to feed?

Cliff Robinson? Tyson Chandler? Ben Wallace?

He had Eddy Curry, but he was not exactly reliable. (Yet he still scored pretty well considering how much Ben Gordon chucked.) Bogut is the opposite of Curry. Who else is Skiles going to run the offense through?