White people will have sex with anything

[SlyPokerDog]

All Non-Africans Part Neanderthal, Genetics Confirm

If your heritage is non-African, you are part Neanderthal, according to a new study in the July issue of Molecular Biology and Evolution. Discovery News has been reporting on human/Neanderthal interbreeding for some time now, so this latest research confirms earlier findings.

Damian Labuda of the University of Montreal's Department of Pediatrics and the CHU Sainte-Justine Research Center conducted the study with his colleagues. They determined some of the human X chromosome originates from Neanderthals, but only in people of non-African heritage.

"This confirms recent findings suggesting that the two populations interbred," Labuda was quoted as saying in a press release. His team believes most, if not all, of the interbreeding took place in the Middle East, while modern humans were migrating out of Africa and spreading to other regions.

The ancestors of Neanderthals left Africa about 400,000 to 800,000 years ago. They evolved over the millennia mostly in what are now France, Spain, Germany and Russia. They went extinct, or were simply absorbed into the modern human population, about 30,000 years ago.

Neanderthals possessed the gene for language and had sophisticated music, art and tool craftsmanship skills, so they must have not been all that unattractive to modern humans at the time.

"In addition, because our methods were totally independent of Neanderthal material, we can also conclude that previous results were not influenced by contaminating artifacts," Labuda said.

This work goes back to nearly a decade ago, when Labuda and his colleagues identified a piece of DNA, called a haplotype, in the human X chromosome that seemed different. They questioned its origins.

Fast forward to 2010, when the Neanderthal genome was sequenced. The researchers could then compare the haplotype to the Neanderthal genome as well as to the DNA of existing humans. The scientists found that the sequence was present in people across all continents, except for sub-Saharan Africa, and including Australia.

"There is little doubt that this haplotype is present because of mating with our ancestors and Neanderthals," said Nick Patterson of the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard University. Patterson did not participate in the latest research. He added, "This is a very nice result, and further analysis may help determine more details."
David Reich, a Harvard Medical School geneticist, added, "Dr. Labuda and his colleagues were the first to identify a genetic variation in non-Africans that was likely to have come from an archaic population. This was done entirely without the Neanderthal genome sequence, but in light of the Neanderthal sequence, it is now clear that they were absolutely right!"

The modern human/Neanderthal combo likely benefitted our species, enabling it to survive in harsh, cold regions that Neanderthals previously had adapted to.
"Variability is very important for long-term survival of a species," Labuda concluded. "Every addition to the genome can be enriching."


http://news.discovery.com/human/genetics-neanderthal-110718.html

 

[Mediocre Man]

Racist article

 

[Shooter]

Positing that a certain species left Africa "800,000 years ago," and then making further conclusions about that species, is ludicrous. It's amazing what passes for "science."

 

[maxiep]

I've had sex with a Neatherthal or two in my time, but in my defense, I was really drunk...

 

[barfo]

Positing that a certain species left Africa "800,000 years ago," and then making further conclusions about that species, is ludicrous. It's amazing what passes for "science."

Have you examined the evidence presented for the conclusions? Do you have specific problems with any of it?

Or are you just ranting about something you know nothing about?

barfo

 

[Minstrel]

Have you examined the evidence presented for the conclusions? Do you have specific problems with any of it?

I have a specific problem with it. We know the Earth is only several thousand years old, so species doing anything hundreds of thousands of years ago immediately invalidates this theory.

Plus, basing everything around Africa is clearly just anthropologists expressing their "white guilt" (at least the white ones) by trying to push Afro-centric theories on the rest of us.

Happy?

 

[barfo]

Happy?

Yes. Yes I am. Thanks for asking.

barfo

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Happy?

I won't be happy until we have a The Bodacious Neanderthal Babes of S2 sticky thread.

 

[Eastoff]

You sir, are late to the party http://sportstwo.com/threads/155904-new-hominid-species?p=2501715&viewfull=1#post2501715 get your merge on!

 

[Eastoff]

Positing that a certain species left Africa "800,000 years ago," and then making further conclusions about that species, is ludicrous. It's amazing what passes for "science."

So just to be clear, what is your limit of "science?" How far back are you willing to accept dating? An ark that is 6000 years old?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

lol i doubt talkhards coming back to answer all our questions, but i really hope he does

 

[Minstrel]

Yes. Yes I am. Thanks for asking.

Well, as long as Neil Barofsky is happy.

 

[Rhal]

Positing that a certain species left Africa "800,000 years ago," and then making further conclusions about that species, is ludicrous. It's amazing what passes for "science."

Someone who believes hole heartily in the bible and comes into a science thread just to point out they don't believe anything in it is like someone who doesn't believe in a certain religion coming into a thread of that religion and pointing out what they think is wrong with it. Oh wait I do that all the time, carry on.

 

[MARIS61]

So just to be clear, what is your limit of "science?" How far back are you willing to accept dating?

I really don't think dating as we know it goes back 800,000 years.

Probably only a few hundred years at most.

Before that it was mostly just forcible rape.

 

[MARIS61]

ALL humans are descendants from Africans, and this bozo should know that.

 

[jlprk]

We skinny black Homo Sapiens ruled with free heating from the Sahara. We expanded into snowy Europe and were seduced by horny fat heavyset cavepeople living under rocks who were whiter than white, almost chrome. The merger you see today is in between, the orange-ish race of Euros who survived the winter only by keeping big bonfires going all year in every village. If we had just patiently waited 800,000 years until the years 1650-1850, we would have shipped you dumb honkies to Africa to be our slaves.

 

[Nate Dogg]

There needs to be better pickings in that group than that! That one has no hips and is shaped like a man.

 

[barfo]

There needs to be better pickings in that group than that! That one has no hips and is shaped like a man.

Agreed. That's Raymond Felton with a side-boob.

[Edit: just to be clear, I'm making a fat joke here, not a neanderthal joke. thanks for understanding.]

[Extra edit: I'll bet this post is soon going to be the top hit on google for "Raymond Felton side-boob". Surprisingly, it has competition.]

barfo

 

[jlprk]

In today's science news, here's a new article dated today--
The beginning of upright walking has been doubled, from 2 million to 4 million years ago.

http://planetearth.nerc.ac.uk/news/story.aspx?id=1025

This changes everything! I better click around that page...Look at these good articles linked on the left side.

Dominance is costly for female banded mongooses
Bluetongue outbreaks set to rise with climate change
Attractive male zebra finches have more grandchildren
Brachiosaurus had the body of a hoover
Sharks visit personal hygienists
New shrimp immortalises scientist
Flu pandemic threatens British sewage works

Let's check out that first one..You might need this information if you are reincarnated.

There's a subtle hierarchy among the women in banded mongoose societies: only older females get to breed, while younger ones have to wait their turn. If a young female mongoose decides to buck this trend, she risks the wrath of her older female relatives, who will throw her out of the group. Lack of food and the stress involved almost always causes the younger mongoose to lose her unborn pups.

 

[jlprk]

I'll click on "Brachiosaurus had the body of a hoover." I wonder what the scientific term hoover means to English scientists.

Dinosaurs like Brachiosaurus, Diplodocus and Brontosaurus may have evolved extremely long necks so they could eat without having to move their massive bodies around so much.

That's the conclusion UK scientists reached after they realised that 1950s-style vacuum cleaners were designed in exactly the same way.

The cylinder vacuum cleaners that were commonplace until the 1970s had heavy bodies with long hoses. They were meant to be positioned in the middle of a room while the operator moved a light head-part at the end of the hose across the surrounding carpet.

http://planetearth.nerc.ac.uk/news/story.aspx?id=947

 

[maxiep]

I won't be happy until we have a The Bodacious Neanderthal Babes of S2 sticky thread.

An undergrad frat party eight beers in? Yeah, I've done worse than that.

 

[Eastoff]

I really don't think dating as we know it goes back 800,000 years.

Probably only a few hundred years at most.

Before that it was mostly just forcible rape.

Oh i get it. And you are probably right about consensual sex being less common.

 

[Shooter]

Have you examined the evidence presented for the conclusions? Do you have specific problems with any of it?

There is no "evidence" for any race of people existing "800,000 years ago," there is only speculation. I suggest you read "Guns, Germs, and Steel" to see the folly of this kind of thinking.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

There is no "evidence" for any race of people existing "800,000 years ago," there is only speculation. I suggest you read "Guns, Germs, and Steel" to see the folly of this kind of thinking.

Wow. Please elaborate on how Guns, Germs and Steel supports any of your arguments.

 

[Shooter]

Wow. Please elaborate on how Guns, Germs and Steel supports any of your arguments.

That book is full of speculation on where certain races come from, and how they got from one part of the world to another. None of it is provable, but the author has a good time anyway. It's a perfect example of the kind of speculation we are discussing. The author also maintains that the inhabitants of New Guinea are the smartest people in the world, which further illustrates the flaw in his methodology.

 

[barfo]

There is no "evidence" for any race of people existing "800,000 years ago," there is only speculation. I suggest you read "Guns, Germs, and Steel" to see the folly of this kind of thinking.

...

 

[barfo]

That book is full of speculation on where certain races come from, and how they got from one part of the world to another. None of it is provable, but the author has a good time anyway. It's a perfect example of the kind of speculation we are discussing. The author also maintains that the inhabitants of New Guinea are the smartest people in the world, which further illustrates the flaw in his methodology.

And similarly, bad science fiction proves that physics is wrong.

Seriously? That's your argument? Science should be rejected out of hand because someone once wrote a book that contains speculation?

barfo

 

[Shooter]

That's your argument? Science should be rejected out of hand because someone once wrote a book that contains speculation?

No. Try to follow along.

What passes for "science" is often just speculation, or educated guesses. That's the point. In fact, Jared Diamond demonstrates this quite well in "Guns, Germs, and Steel" by advocating for a multiregional theory on the birth of mankind, when most "scientists" argue that the human race originated in Africa. Who's right, who's wrong? Well, they're all just speculating.

 

[barfo]

No. Try to follow along.

What passes for "science" is often just speculation, or educated guesses. That's the point. In fact, Jared Diamond demonstrates this quite well in "Guns, Germs, and Steel" by advocating for a multiregional theory on the birth of mankind, when most "scientists" argue that the human race originated in Africa. Who's right, who's wrong? Well, they're all just speculating.

So, you reject all science because you think it's all just guesswork and speculation.

I think that's guesswork and speculation on your part.

barfo

 

[jlprk]

What passes for "science" is often just speculation, or educated guesses.

As for guessing, science makes a small-step hypothesis, but that is not called the truth until it is verified with experiments on the physical world. Also, all the truths must fit together in a system of logic.

Have you taken any courses (check the college philosophy or math departments) in logic? It's tighter than speculation.

For starters, why don't you try defining the difference between speculation and logic (also called the philosophy of rationalism, which means reasoning things out).

One difference is that reasoning takes small steps from premise A to conclusion B, while religion makes large leaps of faith, often with emotion the guiding principle. If A and B are far apart, reasoning requires intermediate steps, like A to X to Y to B.