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BOO HOO! The guy's been here illegally for 10 years and probably didnt pay a dime in taxes. Boot his ass out of here! 10 years was plenty of time for him to become a legal citizen and contribute like the rest of us. Who's gonna support his family? Probably our tax $$$. Pisses me off!
 
It's not a popular point of view, but I am in favor of denying citizenship to children of illegal aliens who were born on US Soil.
 
Deport, or better yet imprison and then deport, anyone who comes here illegally or is born here to someone who is here illegally.

Otherwise our laws are meaningless and we deserve no respect from the world.
 
Deport, or better yet imprison and then deport, anyone who comes here illegally or is born here to someone who is here illegally.

Otherwise our laws are meaningless and we deserve no respect from the world.

I agree, but putting them in our prison's would only cost us more $$$.
 
Some of these pople are simply seeking a decent way of life for their families. For those, I'm not infavor of inprisonment and not necessarily in favor of deportation if something else could be worked out.
 
Deport, or better yet imprison and then deport, anyone who comes here illegally or is born here to someone who is here illegally.

Tell me about your roots. Do you know from what part of the world your family is? Do you know if they went to the USA illegally and later got things regularized? Should the USA deport every citzen whose family came illegally to the country?
 
its a tough issue, but if illegals are trying to get citizenship and pay taxes, i am all for it. people moving here and getting welfare? not so much.
 
I agree with many of the post above. I agree that people here illegally, especially after being here long enough to go through the proper channels and become legal, should be deported. I also believe though that the standard routes to becoming a citizen, should exist. To the person up above who said that kids born here shouldn't automatically become citizens, remember that part of the beacon america has become, is that if people get here, they have a better hope. Many people who are not bad people, risk their lives to get here so that their children can live better. We do not want to become the United States that alienates everybody and turns people away in their time of need. But what we do need to do is to start dealing with this in a responsible way, and in a way that is not hypocritical.

One example I would bring up, is medical treatment. Many people say we should deny aliens medical treatment, because they can't or won't pay. Yet we have insurance companies here in the states, that pay for americans to go over to other countries and take advantage of their socialistic medical systems, or a "medical vacation" if you will. They go over to other countries, get free health care while they are there, and don't pay for anything but the trip over. All so the insurance company can save a few bucks. Who pays for it he medical treatment? The other country (like India) is stuck with the bill. Hypocritical practice. We don't all do it, but there are those who do. The same can be said of the aliens that come here. Some are bad folks. Many are not. So don't treat them all that way.
 
I agree with many of the post above. I agree that people here illegally, especially after being here long enough to go through the proper channels and become legal, should be deported. I also believe though that the standard routes to becoming a citizen, should exist. To the person up above who said that kids born here shouldn't automatically become citizens, remember that part of the beacon america has become, is that if people get here, they have a better hope. Many people who are not bad people, risk their lives to get here so that their children can live better. We do not want to become the United States that alienates everybody and turns people away in their time of need. But what we do need to do is to start dealing with this in a responsible way, and in a way that is not hypocritical.

One example I would bring up, is medical treatment. Many people say we should deny aliens medical treatment, because they can't or won't pay. Yet we have insurance companies here in the states, that pay for americans to go over to other countries and take advantage of their socialistic medical systems, or a "medical vacation" if you will. They go over to other countries, get free health care while they are there, and don't pay for anything but the trip over. All so the insurance company can save a few bucks. Who pays for it he medical treatment? The other country (like India) is stuck with the bill. Hypocritical practice. We don't all do it, but there are those who do. The same can be said of the aliens that come here. Some are bad folks. Many are not. So don't treat them all that way.


hasoos, I'm not oppossed to what you're saying, but who should pay for the tens of thousands of illegals for access to healthcare? I'm just curious.
 
Travis Outlaw/Steve Blake are the scapegoats for the Blazers

Illegal immigrants are the scapegoat for the US
 
hasoos, I'm not oppossed to what you're saying, but who should pay for the tens of thousands of illegals for access to healthcare? I'm just curious.


Well that is interesting point, but at the same time, you will notice that I didn't say we should do it, I said what we should not be, is hypocritical. In other words, don't practice one thing (denying health care to illegals) and then go and do the exact same thing in another country, and make them foot the bill. So that either means one of two things: Either you get your health care system to align with the way others countries works, which means it is subsidized, or you quit taking advantage of their subsidized systems for your capital gain. So you can say choose your poison. Basically if you go one way, it has to be subsidized. In the other, you deny health care.

I don't know about you, but I don't think that people should ever be denied health care, where ever they are, if it is available and they are seeking help. I would never want to be in another country, get hurt, and then have their doctor tell me "Sorry you aren't from here, good luck." Would you?
 
I don't know about you, but I don't think that people should ever be denied health care, where ever they are, if it is available and they are seeking help. I would never want to be in another country, get hurt, and then have their doctor tell me "Sorry you aren't from here, good luck." Would you?

I would expect to pay for it, just like I would expect to pay for a plane ride home or for a glass of wine.

Ed O.
 
When my son ended up in a Canadian ER for a badly sprained ankle while he was at a music camp, we ended up getting a bill from the hospital even though a Canadian citizen would have had it paid for under their healthcare system. We submitted it to our insurance company and ended up paying our usual co-pay. The problem with most of the undocumented workers in this country is that they have no health insurance, are typically low income, and are from countries that don't have a national healthcare plan that can be billed for medical expenses incurred while living in this country. As a result, when these folks show up at an ER, it's my understanding that they are treated and that the costs are covered in the higher prices that we all pay for medical services. I'm not sure what the solution is, but I do recognize that there is a large problem when the number of such people living here is in excess of 12 million.
 
I would expect to pay for it, just like I would expect to pay for a plane ride home or for a glass of wine.

Ed O.

The difference there is a plane ride home or a glass of wine are likely not a matter of one's health or life or death.

If one does not have the money to pay the medical bills, should they be denied neccessary medical care? I say no, illegal or not.
 
When my son ended up in a Canadian ER for a badly sprained ankle while he was at a music camp, we ended up getting a bill from the hospital even though a Canadian citizen would have had it paid for under their healthcare system. We submitted it to our insurance company and ended up paying our usual co-pay. The problem with most of the undocumented workers in this country is that they have no health insurance, are typically low income, and are from countries that don't have a national healthcare plan that can be billed for medical expenses incurred while living in this country. As a result, when these folks show up at an ER, it's my understanding that they are treated and that the costs are covered in the higher prices that we all pay for medical services. I'm not sure what the solution is, but I do recognize that there is a large problem when the number of such people living here is in excess of 12 million.

It's good to hear Canada has a treat first bill later type of policy (hope your son is alright). Imagine how frustrated you would have been as a parent if the hospital made you jump through a lot of hoops to prove insurance coverage before treatment.

There is a problem in the US with health costs in general . . . and the illegal immigrant situation doesn't make it any better, but I hope this counrty doesn't go to a pay before treat kind of policy.
 
Tell me about your roots. Do you know from what part of the world your family is? Do you know if they went to the USA illegally and later got things regularized? Should the USA deport every citzen whose family came illegally to the country?

I know for a fact that with the exception of one quarter of my family (who came here in the late 1500s), everyone else took the legal route. It's not like we don't have legal immigration. These people simply decided to cut the line. They shouldn't be rewarded for it and our country is a poorer place for allowing an underground economy that serves to enslave those very illegal aliens.

If that guy wants to be with his family, I'm sure they would enjoy the warmer climate south of the Rio Grande.
 
its a tough issue, but if illegals are trying to get citizenship and pay taxes, i am all for it. people moving here and getting welfare? not so much.

If that's their goal, they can apply for citizenship legally.
 
I don't know about you, but I don't think that people should ever be denied health care, where ever they are, if it is available and they are seeking help. I would never want to be in another country, get hurt, and then have their doctor tell me "Sorry you aren't from here, good luck." Would you?

I agree. Our healthcare system is horrible in many ways.
 
I agree with many of the post above. I agree that people here illegally, especially after being here long enough to go through the proper channels and become legal, should be deported. I also believe though that the standard routes to becoming a citizen, should exist. To the person up above who said that kids born here shouldn't automatically become citizens, remember that part of the beacon america has become, is that if people get here, they have a better hope. Many people who are not bad people, risk their lives to get here so that their children can live better. We do not want to become the United States that alienates everybody and turns people away in their time of need. But what we do need to do is to start dealing with this in a responsible way, and in a way that is not hypocritical.

Borders matter. If they want to make a better life, make it in their own country.

One example I would bring up, is medical treatment. Many people say we should deny aliens medical treatment, because they can't or won't pay. Yet we have insurance companies here in the states, that pay for americans to go over to other countries and take advantage of their socialistic medical systems, or a "medical vacation" if you will. They go over to other countries, get free health care while they are there, and don't pay for anything but the trip over. All so the insurance company can save a few bucks. Who pays for it he medical treatment? The other country (like India) is stuck with the bill. Hypocritical practice. We don't all do it, but there are those who do. The same can be said of the aliens that come here. Some are bad folks. Many are not. So don't treat them all that way.

The idea that anyone is denied medical treatment is a flat out lie. A close relative of mine was an administrator at a large Portland hospital. The ER ran an annual $20MM+ deficit from treating patients who did not have insurance. The overwhelming number of those people? Illegal aliens who could not provide US identification.
 
Travis Outlaw/Steve Blake are the scapegoats for the Blazers

Illegal immigrants are the scapegoat for the US

Illegal immigrants are the new generation of slaves. They are people without protection or rights. If you care about civil rights, you should be against illegal immigration.
 
It's good to hear Canada has a treat first bill later type of policy (hope your son is alright). Imagine how frustrated you would have been as a parent if the hospital made you jump through a lot of hoops to prove insurance coverage before treatment.

There is a problem in the US with health costs in general . . . and the illegal immigrant situation doesn't make it any better, but I hope this counrty doesn't go to a pay before treat kind of policy.

Actually, they called for our policy number.
 
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Now add to this number all the descendents from illegal immigrants and you have a huge number. It is virtually impossible to deport all this people.
 
Illegal immigrants are the new generation of slaves. They are people without protection or rights. If you care about civil rights, you should be against illegal immigration.

I'm against illegal immigration, but I disagree with how many here think the problem should be handled. This country has a lot of problems right now and it is easy to point to illegal immigrants and say they are the cause for all the problems in people's lives . . . but they aren't. In fact, as you say, they are our new generation of slaves.
 
My wife was technically an illegal immigrant. Truth is that if she wanted to go the legal route, she would have had to remain in the UK for an extra year for the proper visa to arrive. We wanted to be together and get married, so why go through that hassle? She just overstayed her tourist visa, we got married, and 14 months later she was eligible to apply for a green card. During that time she couldn't leave the US, she couldn't work legally, and she had to make damned sure she didn't get pulled over by a cop.

When she finally received her green card, after two years from the time she first came to the US, she was free to work or visit England again.

The reason I described this is to show how moronic our immigration system is. It's confusing, badly organized and extremely inconsistent. It's hardly a shocker that so many just like my wife say "screw it" and do what's easy, rather than what's legal.

It's fun and all to just point fingers at the illegals, but a big part of the problem is that us lazy Americans haven't put a sensible immigration program in place.
 
Here is an intersting information:

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Now add to this number all the descendents from illegal immigrants and you have a huge number. It is virtually impossible to deport all this people.

What this really demonstrates is how completely out of control our immigration system is. Can you imagine any business not knowing within 50% how many employees it had? How much in total sales it made last year?

Can you imagine a library that couldn't give you an estimate of the number of books on its shelf without a 60% margin of error?

Our immigration service is driving a car without looking through the windshield.
 
We don't have to deport them all the way to their home country. All we need to do is bus them to San Francisco.
 
The difference there is a plane ride home or a glass of wine are likely not a matter of one's health or life or death.

If one does not have the money to pay the medical bills, should they be denied neccessary medical care? I say no, illegal or not.

I say yes.

No one is guaranteed food. No one is guaranteed shelter.

Why should they be guaranteed a new heart or cancer-removal surgery?

Ed O.
 
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