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Hammerojustice

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Why couldn't we have someone in the news for something like this... something which isn't a negative... I'm tired of the drama certain players on the team bring...

this is cool though...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...um=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national

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...damn, what a monster. And I thought the doe and the buck I dropped this past weekend were good sized deer, though they were white tail instead of elk. Together, mine might have weighed 325 pounds.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...damn, what a monster. And I thought the doe and the buck I dropped this past weekend were good sized deer, though they were white tail instead of elk. Together, mine might have weighed 325 pounds.
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Nice... Wish I hunted.... No one I know in my area is an avid hunter and all my family (non-hunters) live out of state... I'd love to learn, but even if I did, my wife wouldn't let me have a gun in the house anyway (even if I locked it up in a gun safe inside a gun safe)... with 3 young kids, I can kinda understand
 
Hammerojustice said:
Nice... Wish I hunted.... No one I know in my area is an avid hunter and all my family (non-hunters) live out of state... I'd love to learn, but even if I did, my wife wouldn't let me have a gun in the house anyway (even if I locked it up in a gun safe inside a gun safe)... with 3 young kids, I can kinda understand
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Not sure I've ever seen a stat where a child shot oneself or another with a hunting rifle. I can almost buy the fear of the handgun, but again the stats are so rare. Swimming pools and car accidents are far more dangerous, yet people arrogantly feel in total control. Fortunately I was raised in a gun culture environment, I feel bad for people that live without the security and peace of mind of firearms in the home.

Never been a hunter, would only do out of necessity. I've cultivated these skills which could be useful, just not against anything other than paper or steel.
 
Holy Monster Elk.

I've seen my share of Elk, Caribou, Moose, but this 12 point ELK used PED's......

I have never ever seen a Elk Buck this huge with a rack unlike any I have seen either. Those are well matured horns, huge....I read approx. 700 lbs, I'd bet the Elk was in excess of that wreight. Maybe 700 lbs of meat, after butchering.

I had a buddy who loved to hunt Moose in Montana. He bagged a huge one, so big, he had to drive back to town to rent a tractor with a backhoe and bulldozer blade, to hoist the Moose high enough to strip it down, and haul it out of the woods....

This Elk reminds me alot of the Moose Giant I mentioned above. IN=Fkn-Credible...
 
...just to be clear, I don't hunt for the sport. I'm not into the macho thing of putting a deer's head on the wall or anything like that. And let's face it, it's not really "deer hunting". Let's be honest, it's a freaking ambush. It's not like I'm tracking and stalking the deer. Instead, I'm sitting 20 feet up in a tree with a high powered rifle that is mounted with a high powered scope that is accurate to within 1 inch at 200 yards. All I do is sit there in the tree and wait for the deer to show. If it is a older buck with a big rack, I let him pass because the meat is much better and more tender on the younger deer and the does.

..I'm in it strictly to put meat in the freezer. Yeah I know I can buy meat in the super market but there's just something about processing your own food that I can't relay to people who don't hunt. I mean, I already grow my own cukes, okra, tomatoes, beans, turnip greens, mustard greens, etc...so why not meat?
...I'm not gonna pay some guy $100 to process my deer when I can do it myself for next to nothing...plus you never know for sure who's deer meat you're getting back or how it was handled when you pick it up from the processor. Within 2 hours of the kill, I've got the deer quartered and have removed the back straps and tenderloins and placed them in ice cold water which is changed out every day for a week...the melted ice along with the gradually reduced amount of blood is poured off every day. If you properly "bleed out" the venison it is VERY hard to tell it from beef once it is cooked.
...I debone the hind quarters and put them on a smoker for about 6-8 hours...good stuff...the tenderloins (filet mignon) are cut into medallions for grilling and the back straps (strip steaks) I usually run through a cuber to make cube steak.
...the shoulders and scraps are ground and mixed 2 parts to 1 with either ground pork fat, boston butts, or bacon pieces to make deer burger and bulk or pan sausage. (I make regular sage type sausage as well as italian sausage)...I'm telling you that you cannot tell the difference between deer sausage and store bought sausage. The deer burger is usually used in spaghetti or soups, and sometimes just plain ole deer burgers.


...out of the 2 deer I just took, I'll net about 80-90 lbs of meat.
 
totus44 said:
Not sure I've ever seen a stat where a child shot oneself or another with a hunting rifle. I can almost buy the fear of the handgun, but again the stats are so rare. Swimming pools and car accidents are far more dangerous, yet people arrogantly feel in total control. Fortunately I was raised in a gun culture environment, I feel bad for people that live without the security and peace of mind of firearms in the home.

Never been a hunter, would only do out of necessity. I've cultivated these skills which could be useful, just not against anything other than paper or steel.
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I believe you are correct regarding stats... But still, I still have no one to really teach me the ins and outs of hunting... i.e. how to set up a stand, how not to, how/where to shoot the deer, how to carry it out if you don't have an ATV, getting an ATV, how to field dress the deer, finding a butcher as I'm learning to slice, dice, & grind, finding a taxidermist, etc. Too much I don't know to even bother trying now... and all of that knowledge would take more than 2 or 3 seasons to sink in... so I resign myself to being a fisherman.... (just caught a couple of trout on Saturday, November 1st in the Poconos)...

If I could hunt, it would be for the meat which I would definitely eat (and share), but also to a lesser extent for sport, would be deer (doe and buck), elk, caribou, moose, bear (black & brown), boar, pheasant, turkey, quail, duck, and I'm sure others...

As far as the sporting aspect, I could only see myself putting the head of a monster up on the wall, not everything I got...

I've canoed past some MASSIVE bull moose on trips in Algonquin Provincial Park in Canada... those moose where by far the biggest I've seen & heard... A couple were at least 1200 pounds... Got within 25 feet of it too... and didn't linger too long before we paddled on so we wouldn't piss him off... I've also heard a herd of moose trample through a lake from football fields away and it sounded like a motor boat was coming towards us...

Man, I miss those trips to Canada...
 
...not that much to getting into it really. I'm sure there are many "hunting clubs" in your area. You can find ads for them in the paper and craigs lists, etc.
...most of the more experience hunters in these clubs are more than happy to show you the "ins and outs".
 
yankeesince59 said:
...just to be clear, I don't hunt for the sport. I'm not into the macho thing of putting a deer's head on the wall or anything like that. And let's face it, it's not really "deer hunting". Let's be honest, it's a freaking ambush. It's not like I'm tracking and stalking the deer. Instead, I'm sitting 20 feet up in a tree with a high powered rifle that is mounted with a high powered scope that is accurate to within 1 inch at 200 yards. All I do is sit there in the tree and wait for the deer to show. If it is a older buck with a big rack, I let him pass because the meat is much better and more tender on the younger deer and the does.

..I'm in it strictly to put meat in the freezer. Yeah I know I can buy meat in the super market but there's just something about processing your own food that I can't relay to people who don't hunt. I mean, I already grow my own cukes, okra, tomatoes, beans, turnip greens, mustard greens, etc...so why not meat?
...I'm not gonna pay some guy $100 to process my deer when I can do it myself for next to nothing...plus you never know for sure who's deer meat you're getting back or how it was handled when you pick it up from the processor. Within 2 hours of the kill, I've got the deer quartered and have removed the back straps and tenderloins and placed them in ice cold water which is changed out every day for a week...the melted ice along with the gradually reduced amount of blood is poured off every day. If you properly "bleed out" the venison it is VERY hard to tell it from beef once it is cooked.
...I debone the hind quarters and put them on a smoker for about 6-8 hours...good stuff...the tenderloins (filet mignon) are cut into medallions for grilling and the back straps (strip steaks) I usually run through a cuber to make cube steak.
...the shoulders and scraps are ground and mixed 2 parts to 1 with either ground pork fat, boston butts, or bacon pieces to make deer burger and bulk or pan sausage. (I make regular sage type sausage as well as italian sausage)...I'm telling you that you cannot tell the difference between deer sausage and store bought sausage. The deer burger is usually used in spaghetti or soups, and sometimes just plain ole deer burgers.


...out of the 2 deer I just took, I'll net about 80-90 lbs of meat.
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Of all the States, I've visited, worked in, or lived in, which is all but a few states.

The famous San Joaquin Valley in Calif, from Fresno North,has the best produce in Calif only. Yet, I'd rank their produce as maybe a 3rd or 4th best produce in the Nation. Altho' I'd buy Caly Citrus over any other including Fla. Fla Oranges are good, juicy, yet lack the sweetness of Caly Oranges. Caly grapes are the best in the Nation IMHO.....Other than that, Caly produce is NOT even close to the best in the Nation.

However the best produce I have ever seen, bought and ate tons of, was fresh, from local farms, and was by far the best in the Nation. That was just a few minutes or so north, from where 59 Lives, same with Deer, nothing like a Venison Burrito.

2nd best place for produce was in western KS. at my Aunts and Uncles...Beefsteak Tomatoes, as big as a Grapefruit, and Juicer than a big Peach....
 
On guns, I too didn't keep a gun around with my boys when they were still young. I did keep a 12 gauge, a .247 Roberts, and a few hand guns at my Dad's in His Safe. Until the Boys grew up.

During that time, I can never forget reading an article in the LA Times in the mid 80s. A Man, his wife and 3 kids, lived in Bakersfield, and had been robbed, 3 times in 2 years, in the night when they slept, and never heard a burglar at all.

Upon the 3rd break in, he went out and bought a .357. One night a few weeks after his pistol purchase, his wife woke him up one night, whispering she heard a noise coming from the other end of the house, in the Kitchen and Living room. The Father/Husband pulled out his .357 from his end table drawer. He walked down the hall in the dark with NO flashlight, towards the sounds he heard.

all the sudden he saw a shadow at the other end of the hallway he was standing in. Once he saw the shadow, he made several mistakes, one he had no flashlight to see the perp. 2ndly he never so much as spoke a word, such as, who goes there. Instead, he took 2 shots dropping his own dead son....that story haunted me for years. Yet it could of been avoided easily, he was to rambunctious to take out a supposed perp, and killed his only son.

The County did not even file a lawsuit of wrongful death, or any other course. As the DA stated, this man will pay for his crime and sins against his own Son, for the rest of his life. NO incarceration will do any good, as his own guilt and pains will rot within him til his own death...a very unfortunate story to say the least. One which could of and should of been prevented.,...

and yep, no stats reveal anything notable....only very isolated incidents at that, like this one.
 
BTW- When my Boys were 12-16, I brought those guns back to my home. A drive by shooting happened on our own sleepy peaceful block. Then one night not one but 2 drive by's happened, one on our block the 2nd on the block behind me. I sat out side all the next week, polishing my guns, for all to see. With double aught(sp?) Buck in the Mossberg. As well as I borrowed my brothers AR-15. Those punks were caught within 1 week, with a 16 year old girl as the driver, for some Mexican Gang Bangers....good thing they were caught or I'd still be out there polishing my guns....LMAO...sad but true. BTW-the bangers used a 22 pistol and a .44 Mag...neither a match for an AR-15 or pump action Mossberg. Just keep your finger on the trigger, and pump as fast as you can, and hope to hell it doesn't jam...!
 
re: post 6 ('59)

...just to be clear, I don't hunt for the sport. I'm not into the macho thing of putting a deer's head on the wall or anything like that. And let's face it, it's not really "deer hunting". Let's be honest, it's a freaking ambush.

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I salute you and tip my cap.


...and, nothing wrong with thinning the herd for your share of food.
It's just unfortunate "our" authorities aren't thinning the *convicted herd of child rapists, cold blooded murderers, (rapists), and cop killers.

* I'm talking about irrefutable evidence- include DNA (of course) where applicable.

And...streamline the procedure so it DOESN'T take longer than 5 years.
 
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re: post 6 ('59)

...just to be clear, I don't hunt for the sport. I'm not into the macho thing of putting a deer's head on the wall or anything like that. And let's face it, it's not really "deer hunting". Let's be honest, it's a freaking ambush.

____________________________

I salute you and tip my cap.


...and, nothing wrong with thinning the herd for your share of food.
It's just unfortunate "our" authorities aren't thinning the *convicted herd of child rapists, cold blooded murderers, (rapists), and cop killers.

* I'm talking about irrefutable evidence- include DNA (of course) where applicable.

And...streamline the procedure so it DOESN'T take longer than 5 years.
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With deer populations out of control and homeless populations also out of control.... Put the two together........
 
blgridesagain said:
re: post 6 ('59)

...just to be clear, I don't hunt for the sport. I'm not into the macho thing of putting a deer's head on the wall or anything like that. And let's face it, it's not really "deer hunting". Let's be honest, it's a freaking ambush.

____________________________

I salute you and tip my cap.


...and, nothing wrong with thinning the herd for your share of food.
It's just unfortunate "our" authorities aren't thinning the *convicted herd of child rapists, cold blooded murderers, (rapists), and cop killers.

* I'm talking about irrefutable evidence- include DNA (of course) where applicable.

And...streamline the procedure so it DOESN'T take longer than 5 years.
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...thanx...not sure about now, but 2-3 years ago my state had the 2nd most deer in the country. But one of the things that is messing with the deer hunting are wild hogs that scare the deer away. The hog population as gone through the roof the last few years and there are so many of them that the DNR is begging for hunters to kill as many hogs as they can with hopes of thinning them out. But believe it or not, hogs are very smart critters and very elusive...much harder to find than deer.

...coyotes are also getting pretty bad.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...thanx...not sure about now, but 2-3 years ago my state had the 2nd most deer in the country. But one of the things that is messing with the deer hunting are wild hogs that scare the deer away. The hog population as gone through the roof the last few years and there are so many of them that the DNR is begging for hunters to kill as many hogs as they can with hopes of thinning them out. But believe it or not, hogs are very smart critters and very elusive...much harder to find than deer.

...coyotes are also getting pretty bad.
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Is there hog or coyote hunting? Reintroduce wolves, & I guarantee the deer, hogs, & coyotes will decrease....
 
Coyote hunting is counter productive.....they thin out the varmints that carry most diseases. I once came across a two man team sniping coyotes and they spooked my horse. Yotes used to trail the horse as he would scare up rabbits and squirrels. These yahoos shoot right next to us. Not sure if they ever got out of that bush, not walking anyway.
 
...^^^not to mention that wolves are typically 2 1/2 times the size of coyotes and would present more of a danger to live stock, pets, children, and possibly deer hunters too. :lol:
 
yankeesince59 said:
...^^^not to mention that wolves are typically 2 1/2 times the size of coyotes and would present more of a danger to live stock, pets, children, and possibly deer hunters too. :lol:
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Studies have been done where the reintroduction of wolves posts no negatives... Wolves are extremely unlikely to take out cattle, if boars are available outside a fence with pigs inside, they're far mor likely to take out a boar so they can drag what's left for later... Deer not an issue... Pets, maybe, but again, if you're with them, not likely to happen... Fenced in pets, see livestock... Why are children outside unattended in a setting like that?

Mountain Lions would be (& are) a bigger threat than are wolves
 
Makes me want to go watch "The Grey" again, lol!
 
Hammerojustice said:
Studies have been done where the reintroduction of wolves posts no negatives... Wolves are extremely unlikely to take out cattle, if boars are available outside a fence with pigs inside, they're far mor likely to take out a boar so they can drag what's left for later... Deer not an issue... Pets, maybe, but again, if you're with them, not likely to happen... Fenced in pets, see livestock... Why are children outside unattended in a setting like that?


Mountain Lions would be (& are) a bigger threat than are wolves
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...exactly where were these "studies" conducted?...I'm sure they were not in a setting such as where I live...and as far as fenced in pets it's not practical and also not required where I live...as far as children outside unattended, you mean like playing outside like normal kids ?

...mountain lions?...how did we go from the thinning out of the wild hogs in my area by simply shooting them to introducing wolves?...totally unnecessary. I'm sure the DNR knows what they are doing.
 
Hammerojustice said:
Studies have been done where the reintroduction of wolves posts no negatives... Wolves are extremely unlikely to take out cattle, if boars are available outside a fence with pigs inside, they're far mor likely to take out a boar so they can drag what's left for later... Deer not an issue... Pets, maybe, but again, if you're with them, not likely to happen... Fenced in pets, see livestock... Why are children outside unattended in a setting like that?

Mountain Lions would be (& are) a bigger threat than are wolves
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The data and subject matter on Wolves, are well documented in a Animal Sociologist/Behavorialist, outstanding book; on re-introduction, and other Wolf Habits. Name of book: "Of Wolves and Men"...by well hell see below, next msg.

One thing of many I learned, was Wolves will not breed if they're in a foot shortage zone, or in a deadly zone, for a Den. Wolves downright at times, are eerily keenly intelligent, perhaps moreso than many humans. Tho' they can't play Baseball.....:tiphat:
 
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Wolves have always fascinated me and Kim too. With our GSD kennels, we often had a few GSD's, which some clients would downright argue with us; saying we had full fledged Wolves. Not so, tho' our Big 6 foot long, (looked me in the eye, when he stood up), Pure Black Shepherd, Light Gold eyes, looked right thru one like a Ham Bone. Weighed in at 130 lbs. A GSD bit is approximately measured at 750 PSI. A Wolf's Bite weighs in at approx: 1500psi.....!!!

Author Barry Lopez in 79, yet on the Amazon Editor's Best Choice of Books for 2014. Definitely worth every minute of the read.


Here's the intro from Amazon:

Originally published in 1978, this special twenty-fifth-anniversary edition of the National Book Award finalist includes an entirely new afterword in which the author considers the current state of knowledge about wolves and recent efforts to reintroduce wolves to their former habitats in American wilderness areas. Humankind's relationship with the wolf is based on a spectrum of responses running from fear to admiration and affection. Lopez's classic, careful study won praise from a wide range of reviewers and went on to improve the way books about wild animals are written. Of Wolves and Men reveals the uneasy interaction between wolves and civilization over the centuries, and the wolf's prominence in our thoughts about wild creatures. Drawing on an astonishing array of literature, history, science, and mythology as well as considerable personal experience with captive and free-ranging wolves, Lopez argues for the necessity of the wolf's preservation and envelops the reader in its sensory world, creating a compelling picture of the wolf both as real animal and as imagined by man. A scientist might perceive the wolf as defined by research data, while an Eskimo hunter sees a family provider much like himself. For many Native Americans the wolf is also a spiritual symbol, a respected animal that can make both the individual and the community stronger. With irresistible charm and elegance, Of Wolves and Men celebrates scientific fieldwork, dispels folklore that has enabled the Western mind to demonize wolves, explains myths, and honors indigenous traditions, allowing us to further understand how this incredible animal has come to live so strongly in the human heart.

http://www.amazon.com/Wolves-Men-Ba...=1415587562&sr=1-1&keywords=of+wolves+and+men
 
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