Why did we trade for Bayless?

[MIXUM]

Brandon Rush had 27 points last night. Jarrett Jack is having a career year. Bayless isnt playing which is sad cause sergio is ahead of him. I think its safe to say it wasnt one of KPs better deals.

 

[AgentDrazenPetrovic]

rush and jack wouldn't have gotten the same PT in PDX.

 

[Trailblazed&Confused]

Probably really early to make any assumptions on Bayless. He's a rookie, playing at one of the more demanding positions, for a coach with high expectations for that position.

 

[MrJayremmie]

Well, Bayless > Rush... But Jack >> Bayless for now.

I've been somewhat disappointed with Jerryd this year. He doesn't seem to really fit our team, and is getting outplayed by Sergio, someone who he really should be ahead inthe rotation of by now. Hopefully he works hard (but smart because he should understand better what he needs to work on more than just scoring) and comes out blazing next year.

That 10-15 game stretch where he was guaranteed minutes and he got 10.5ppg, 3apg and 2rpg was really nice for a rookie, imo... but other than that he has played very poorly. Oh well, our team is doing great. But damn, we'd be so good with Jack right now, imo... we'd have such a nice PG rotation with Blake and Jack (at least in my opinion... Jack seems to have really worked his ass off and has been playing very well this year).

 

[crowTrobot]

jack PER

2005/06 12.37
2006/07 14.62
2007/08 12.98
2008/09 12.84


not improved at all and obviously not having a career year

 

[OddEnormous]

Brandon Rush had 27 points last night. Jarrett Jack is having a career year. Bayless isnt playing which is sad cause sergio is ahead of him. I think its safe to say it wasnt one of KPs better deals.

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[MARIS61]

It was all about moving JJ, nothing more.

 

[Natebishop3]

It was all about moving JJ, nothing more.

If we just wanted to move JJ, I'm pretty sure we could have given him away for nothing. We got a projected top three or four talent in the process. I can't believe people are ready to give up on Bayless. Of course, it's just a Mixum thread, but sheesh. The guy has talent. I think some people are expecting too much from rookies. Joe Johnson took at least two or three years before he started playing at the caliber he is now.

 

[THE HCP]

The Future!

 

[Sinobas]

Bayless is a guard who is big enough, strong enough, athletic enough to not get abused on defense, and he can actually become a great defender. He's an intense competitor, and we've all see how good he is at taking it to the hoop and he actually does have a decent jumper.

You can see whenever he attempts to drive, two men shadow him and eliminate his lane, and he doesn't quite now how to handle that yet, but I think he will become a very good guard.

 

[AgentDrazenPetrovic]

Jerryd Bayless is streetz.

 

[Nikolokolus]

If we just wanted to move JJ, I'm pretty sure we could have given him away for nothing. We got a projected top three or four talent in the process. I can't believe people are ready to give up on Bayless. Of course, it's just a Mixum thread, but sheesh. The guy has talent. I think some people are expecting too much from rookies. Joe Johnson took at least two or three years before he started playing at the caliber he is now.

You're absolutely right.

My feeling is that we've been spoiled by Roy. All of a sudden we expect every rookie who breezes through here to instantly jump in perform at a high level. I'm not going to say Jerryd will or won't pan out, but my feeling is that he's got plenty of athleticism, talent and drive, but he's pretty lean on experience having gone one and done at U of A ... and by the looks of things hasn't had many coaches who really demanded he hone his playmaking skills.

My guess is that if he's going to be a starter on this team it won't be for at least another year -- assuming of course the team makes a commitment to developing him.

 

[Natebishop3]

You're absolutely right.

My feeling is that we've been spoiled by Roy. All of a sudden we expect every rookie who breezes through here to instantly jump in perform at a high level. I'm not going to say Jerryd will or won't pan out, but my feeling is that he's got plenty of athleticism, talent and drive, but he's pretty lean on experience having gone one and done at U of A ... and by the looks of things hasn't had many coaches who really demanded he hone his playmaking skills.

My guess is that if he's going to be a starter on this team it won't be for at least another year -- assuming of course the team makes a commitment to developing him.

People just expected too much because of how he performed at the summer league, but that's pretty common actually. Guys who perform in summer league can still have two or three years in the NBA before they reach a high level. Look at John Salmons for pete's sake. It seemed like that guy was in the summer league for about four or five years in a row, now he's playing good ball for the Bulls.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Good player/ maybe not a good fit.

I was happy when we acquired him, but at this point I think it is 50/50 he winds up being traded. If Nate saw the same positives in his game that we do, he wouldn't be sitting behind Sergio.

 

[AgentDrazenPetrovic]

Yeah, we're a playoff team...rookies don't usually break into the playoff team rotation....unless there's an injury as in the case of Webster.

 

[Natebishop3]

Good player/ maybe not a good fit.

I was happy when we acquired him, but at this point I think it is 50/50 he winds up being traded. If Nate saw the same positives in his game that we do, he wouldn't be sitting behind Sergio.

That's not necessarily true. I think Nate likes his game, but it's obvious that Rudy plays better with Sergio, and Nate needs a passing point guard to get all the scorers involved on the second unit. Bayless needs to replace Blake eventually, but he's not ready to do that. While Blake isn't much of a passer, he does know when to shoot and when not to shoot. That's what Bayless needs to learn. When to take over, and when to pass. He's being groomed to be the starter, not the backup.

 

[LameR]

1 season always determines everything. Actually, one game. This is like a kingspeed thread. Come on, that's such a reach.

 

[Natebishop3]

1 season always determines everything. Actually, one game. This is like a kingspeed thread. Come on, that's such a reach.

Especially since Bayless hasn't even been given a real shot at playing.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Especially since Bayless hasn't even been given a real shot at playing.

But isn't that part of the point? Of the 4 rooks, why is Bayless the one on the super short leash? The obvious implication is that Nate doesn't have the same degree of faith in him.

 

[Minstrel]

Brandon Rush...supposedly one of the most polished, NBA-ready prospects in the draft (and already 23 years old, a 4 year college player): 7.7 PER.

A 15 PER is an average NBA starter. A 10 PER is about the limit for a productive reserve. Rush is at 7.7.

For comparison, Telfair's PERs in Portland: 9.7 and 13.0

Adam Morrison's rookie season: 7.9 PER

Rush has the distinction of being sub-Morrison.

Pritchard clearly was robbed. He gave up a career reserve in Jack and a not-even-NBA caliber player in Rush for a player who has always been considered a high-level talent. Bayless has sucked so far this season, but he wasn't considered near his ceiling at draft time like Rush. He was a one-year college starter, and played out of position that year. He's gotten very few minutes this season and very inconsistent ones.

Neither Rush nor Jack is making this deal look bad. Even if Bayless totally busts (and I don't think he will), the most the team lost was a mediocre back-up point guard. They don't grow on trees, but they're worth giving up for the chance at a long-term starter.

 

[STOMP]

Neither Rush nor Jack is making this deal look bad. Even if Bayless totally busts (and I don't think he will), the most the team lost was a mediocre back-up point guard. They don't grow on trees, but they're worth giving up for the chance at a long-term starter.

of course Rush was the guy that Bird wanted... Portland could have used the #13 on other prospects. My choice pre-draft was Anthony Randolph who is clocking in with a 16.5 PER and is the youngest player in the league.

STOMP

 

[Natebishop3]

But isn't that part of the point? Of the 4 rooks, why is Bayless the one on the super short leash? The obvious implication is that Nate doesn't have the same degree of faith in him.

Well, let's look at the other rookies on this team:

Batum - One of two small forwards on this team. He would either be starting or playing the backup role.

Rudy - One of two shooting guards on this team. He would either be starting or playing the backup.

Oden - One of two centers on this team. He would either be starting or playing the backup.

Bayless - One of three point guards on this team, currently not playing.

I would also like to point out that Nate has always been especially hard on point guards.

 

[Minstrel]

of course Rush was the guy that Bird wanted... Portland could have used the #13 on other prospects. My choice pre-draft was Anthony Randolph who is clocking in with a 16.5 PER and is the youngest player in the league.

That's true. It does depend on whom Pritchard would have selected if he had kept the pick, which we'll never know.

I like Randolph, too. I think Bayless is a big talent, though, and at a bigger need position. So, for now, I prefer having Bayless to anyone else Portland could have had at that slot.

 

[MARIS61]

That's not necessarily true. I think Nate likes his game, but it's obvious that Rudy plays better with Sergio, and Nate needs a passing point guard to get all the scorers involved on the second unit. Bayless needs to replace Blake eventually, but he's not ready to do that. While Blake isn't much of a passer, he does know when to shoot and when not to shoot. That's what Bayless needs to learn. When to take over, and when to pass. He's being groomed to be the starter, not the backup.

I just don't see Jerryd ever being a better player than Steve Blake is right now, and most certainly not as a PG.

IMO, he's behind Brandon, Rudy, Steve and even Martell for PT in the SG spot, with another PG coming next draft and of course Petteri who is already a better PG also.

If his agent isn't lobbying hard for an off-seasn trade, he's not much of an agent.

 

[MARIS61]

I would also like to point out that Nate has always been especially hard on point guards.

With the obvious and glaring exception of JJ.

 

[Natebishop3]

With the obvious and glaring exception of JJ.

True.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Brandon Rush had 27 points last night. Jarrett Jack is having a career year. Bayless isnt playing which is sad cause sergio is ahead of him. I think its safe to say it wasnt one of KPs better deals.

Maybe it was another attempt by KP to throw the team under the bus. Or maybe KP has the ability to think long term. He understands the importance of continually grooming young players. (Either here or over seas) There are just so many minutes to go around. There is nothing wrong with drafting a kid with huge upside and being patient. The last 5 guys on the bench are not going to play much anyways. He had nothing to lose, and as others have said JJ was not going to be happy here backing up Blake.

 

[PapaG]

Yeah, we're a playoff team...rookies don't usually break into the playoff team rotation....unless there's an injury as in the case of Webster.

Plus this playoff team is already playing 3 rookies substantial and consistent minutes. Bayless should pay dividends in upcoming seasons. Jack would have possibly been a better option than Sergio, but with Rudy available late in games, I'm not sure Jack would have been needed. The one thing he does very well is get to the basket and draw fouls, but Roy already does that and Outlaw can also create his own offense at will.

 

[Sinobas]

The Blazers said they wanted to make Outlaw a SF this year. I wonder how much we'd have to suffer through watching Channing Frye, if Webster did not get hurt. To start the season, Webster would be starting at SF with Frye and Outlaw coming off the bench.

We may not have even known how good Batum is.

 

[Natebishop3]

The Blazers said they wanted to make Outlaw a SF this year. I wonder how much we'd have to suffer through watching Channing Frye, if Webster did not get hurt. To start the season, Webster would be starting at SF with Frye and Outlaw coming off the bench.

We may not have even known how good Batum is.

Things really worked out well, all things considered. I don't think there was a single person on this board who was high on Batum after the summer league.