Why does no one want Ramon Sessions?

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There is a history of guys like Sessions in the NBA. They play for bad teams, put up big numbers, get a 5 to 8 mil dollar a year deal, and then do not progress like people figured they would.
 
Sug said:
There is a history of guys like Sessions in the NBA. They play for bad teams, put up big numbers, get a 5 to 8 mil dollar a year deal, and then do not progress like people figured they would.
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wasnt the same thing said about Mo Williams? He would be a nice 3rd option here.
 
Sug said:
There is a history of guys like Sessions in the NBA. They play for bad teams, put up big numbers, get a 5 to 8 mil dollar a year deal, and then do not progress like people figured they would.
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I get that, but it's not like Sessions is putting up ridiculous points. He is assisting his teammates. One would think that would increase even more on a good team?
 
maybeso said:
This. He's good, but not worth a big enough offer to keep Milwaukee from matching.
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To me he would be worth some S&T discussions at the very least.

Bayless for a re-signed Sessions would be great.
 
The guy just isn't a franchise-changing PG worth $7-8 million or whatever. No one has money to pay him except us and OKC, and we don't want him. Don't know what the Bucks are waiting for though after clearing their cap to keep him.
 
maybeso said:
This. He's good, but not worth a big enough offer to keep Milwaukee from matching.
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milwaukee seems to not care too much. I think letting charlie V go proves that. They seem content with jennings. I doubt they want to start him right away but if it saves them 5-6-7 million they may just suck it up and let him go.
 
Frankly, I can't get a beat on the guy. I've watched him play live about 5 times and and he's been rather pedestrian each time. Other times he's lighting up Sportscenter highlights and putting up 44/12 or 21/10 and I'm drooling. To be fair, the sample size that I've seen isn't enough to make a declaration. Look at his game log . . . it's crazy. Below are his monthly averages - wild swings. Now to be fair, Luke Ridnour was eating up "would be" minutes for Sessions in December in January. But it sort of begs the question - if Sessions is that good, why was Ridnour taking him minutes in the first place? On the other hand, he's only 23 years old and already showing flashes of brilliance. I bet if he had more shooting range it would be unanimous. The guy made 6 three pointers in 79 games - that's terrible for a PG.

15.6 5.8 November
6.4 2.9 December
8.8 3.9 January
18.5 7.4 February
13.2 7.0 March
14.0 10.4 April
 
Mediocre Man said:
To me he would be worth some S&T discussions at the very least.

Bayless for a re-signed Sessions would be great.
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Maybe KP has called the Bucks and they are not interested in a S&T for Sessions. They may just want to keep him for cheap.
 
Sug said:
There is a history of guys like Sessions in the NBA. They play for bad teams, put up big numbers, get a 5 to 8 mil dollar a year deal, and then do not progress like people figured they would.
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Yea a history of guys like Michael Redd, who are 2nd rounders and go on to go to multiple all star games and the Olympics. Who happened to be drafted by the same team. A team that has a good record of finding guys in the 2nd round. :devilwink:
 
Mediocre Man said:
I get that, but it's not like Sessions is putting up ridiculous points. He is assisting his teammates. One would think that would increase even more on a good team?
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Maybe. But I thought the same thing with Damon Stoudamire when he came to Portland. I thought if he averaged over 9 assist in Toronto, he'd be good for double figures in Portland. He never reached 9/season after his rookie year. Actually, he never averaged more than 6.5 assist/game in any of his full seasons in Portland.

I don't think Sessions would have the ball in his hands nearly as much in Portland as he did in Milwaukie. Not with Brandon Roy to defer to.
 
I have only watched a few games of his too. They were not his best. To me he looked like Sergio. Good ball handler, good passer, and below average shooter. Now granted he finished better than Sergio, but his D was nothing to write home about. (Even Blake and Sergio blew by him)

Bottom line is there must be a big concern with his outside shot. In the NBA if teams sag off of you to help double team......you won't be playing in crunch time. Maybe this is the case. I really don't know much about him other than a few games.
 
Mediocre Man said:
To me he would be worth some S&T discussions at the very least.

Bayless for a re-signed Sessions would be great.
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Sessions for Mills would be even greater, but that won't happen either.

STOMP
 
hasoos said:
Yea a history of guys like Michael Redd, who are 2nd rounders and go on to go to multiple all star games and the Olympics. Who happened to be drafted by the same team. A team that has a good record of finding guys in the 2nd round. :devilwink:
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Sessions is the anti-Redd. Redd is an elite shooter; Sessions may be the poorest shooting PG in the league.
 
PapaG said:
Sessions is the anti-Redd. Redd is an elite shooter; Sessions may be the poorest shooting PG in the league.
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Wow that is a crazy statement considering we just had Sergio here the last few years. Worst in the league? You definitly have not seen him play. Now if you were to say he isn't a good 3 point shooter, I would agree with you. Because he isn't, at least at this stage of his career. But within the arc, he is an efficient scorer. Basically he is the same as Andre Miller. He can't shoot 3's, but he is smart enough not to take them. It doesn't mean it isn't a weakness in his game, but it does mean that he works to not make it a weakness in his game by taking that part of his game out.
 
Kaydow said:
Frankly, I can't get a beat on the guy. I've watched him play live about 5 times and and he's been rather pedestrian each time. Other times he's lighting up Sportscenter highlights and putting up 44/12 or 21/10 and I'm drooling. To be fair, the sample size that I've seen isn't enough to make a declaration. Look at his game log . . . it's crazy. Below are his monthly averages - wild swings. Now to be fair, Luke Ridnour was eating up "would be" minutes for Sessions in December in January. But it sort of begs the question - if Sessions is that good, why was Ridnour taking him minutes in the first place? On the other hand, he's only 23 years old and already showing flashes of brilliance. I bet if he had more shooting range it would be unanimous. The guy made 6 three pointers in 79 games - that's terrible for a PG.

15.6 5.8 November
6.4 2.9 December
8.8 3.9 January
18.5 7.4 February
13.2 7.0 March
14.0 10.4 April
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Look at the post all-star numbers though. They are great. Look Bayless isn't the answer and Sessions has shown that he is capable of succeeding at the NBA level. I wouldn't mind rolling the dice on him as I don't see us having many opportunities to acquire a young PG in the foreseeable future. That's what it comes down to. I would greatly prefer Conley but I don't think that is going to happen. Harris is even less likely and it gets pretty bleak after that. IF the Blazers are considering Miller they should definitely try for Sessions it's that simple. Outside shooting CAN be taught. Having Sessions out of the game in crunch time means Rudy is in, so what's the problem with that again?
 
Teams know that if they throw out an MLE deal, the Bucks will match and Sessions will belong to the Bucks for the next 4-5 years. If Sessions does not sign an extension and simply accepts the qualifying offer, he'll become a UFA next year in the season of 2010 when a ton of teams will have cap space. Since the other 29 teams know they CAN'T get him this year (Bucks would match) their best bet is to sit and wait and hope he takes a one year deal...and then run at him next year.

With that in mind, if the Bucks can't him to sign an extension, they would probably be open to trading him during the season because they'd rather do that (trade his rights) than loose him for nothing. They also have Jennings to run the show soon. They'd probably accept a trade back...but for what? Maybe they like Freeland and could use a big to go with Amir Johnson and Bogut (and Joe Alexander who is their 3/4 tweener like Outlaw).

The Bucks seem to go through a new PG ever couple years: Ford -> Williams -> Sessions -> Jennings

So I think maybe we're standing pat hoping that this scenario plays out, so that we can trade for him using our cap space in an extension sign and trade. Just a thought! :cheers:


If it comes down to it...do you trade Rudy for Sessions straight up? Milwaukee is in sort of a youth movement of their own and probably would look to unload Redd soon. If they had Rudy at the SG they'd have a talented piece that would justify them moving Redd and keeping a young and talented (and cheap, which is important) core.
 
I wonder why there are so many people that still think KP will make a move during the season. How many times does he need to say in interviews that he doesn't like to do it?
 
BalancedMan said:
Teams know that if they throw out an MLE deal, the Bucks will match and Sessions will belong to the Bucks for the next 4-5 years. If Sessions does not sign an extension and simply accepts the qualifying offer, he'll become a UFA next year in the season of 2010 when a ton of teams will have cap space. Since the other 29 teams know they CAN'T get him this year (Bucks would match) their best bet is to sit and wait and hope he takes a one year deal...and then run at him next year.

With that in mind, if the Bucks can't him to sign an extension, they would probably be open to trading him during the season because they'd rather do that (trade his rights) than loose him for nothing. They also have Jennings to run the show soon. They'd probably accept a trade back...but for what? Maybe they like Freeland and could use a big to go with Amir Johnson and Bogut (and Joe Alexander who is their 3/4 tweener like Outlaw).

The Bucks seem to go through a new PG ever couple years: Ford -> Williams -> Sessions -> Jennings

So I think maybe we're standing pat hoping that this scenario plays out, so that we can trade for him using our cap space in an extension sign and trade. Just a thought! :cheers:


If it comes down to it...do you trade Rudy for Sessions straight up? Milwaukee is in sort of a youth movement of their own and probably would look to unload Redd soon. If they had Rudy at the SG they'd have a talented piece that would justify them moving Redd and keeping a young and talented (and cheap, which is important) core.
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This seems to be a very insightful post as to why teams are not bidding.
 
BalancedMan said:
Teams know that if they throw out an MLE deal, the Bucks will match and Sessions will belong to the Bucks for the next 4-5 years. If Sessions does not sign an extension and simply accepts the qualifying offer, he'll become a UFA next year in the season of 2010 when a ton of teams will have cap space. Since the other 29 teams know they CAN'T get him this year (Bucks would match) their best bet is to sit and wait and hope he takes a one year deal...and then run at him next year.

With that in mind, if the Bucks can't him to sign an extension, they would probably be open to trading him during the season because they'd rather do that (trade his rights) than loose him for nothing. They also have Jennings to run the show soon. They'd probably accept a trade back...but for what? Maybe they like Freeland and could use a big to go with Amir Johnson and Bogut (and Joe Alexander who is their 3/4 tweener like Outlaw).

The Bucks seem to go through a new PG ever couple years: Ford -> Williams -> Sessions -> Jennings

So I think maybe we're standing pat hoping that this scenario plays out, so that we can trade for him using our cap space in an extension sign and trade. Just a thought! :cheers:


If it comes down to it...do you trade Rudy for Sessions straight up? Milwaukee is in sort of a youth movement of their own and probably would look to unload Redd soon. If they had Rudy at the SG they'd have a talented piece that would justify them moving Redd and keeping a young and talented (and cheap, which is important) core.
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I think this is spot-on.

And as far as your question, I would definitely trade Rudy for Sessions. Sessions is slightly better, a little younger and plays a position of greater need.
 
hasoos said:
Wow that is a crazy statement considering we just had Sergio here the last few years. Worst in the league? You definitly have not seen him play. Now if you were to say he isn't a good 3 point shooter, I would agree with you. Because he isn't, at least at this stage of his career. But within the arc, he is an efficient scorer. Basically he is the same as Andre Miller. He can't shoot 3's, but he is smart enough not to take them. It doesn't mean it isn't a weakness in his game, but it does mean that he works to not make it a weakness in his game by taking that part of his game out.
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Using Michael Redd as a reference seemed odd to me. I only pointed out that they have nothing in common as players.

That said, I'll be pissed if Sessions is given a contract that uses cap space.
 
Update: Knicks president Donnie Walsh met with Sessions’ agent on Tuesday, and the two sides will continue to talk, the New York Post reports.

Recommendation: The Knicks are monitoring the situation with Andre Miller(notes) as well. And they appear to be in a good position as the market for point guards is drying up, after the Clippers acquired Sebastian Telfair(notes) on Monday. The Bucks could match any offer made to Sessions, but they may be all set at point guard with rookie Brandon Jennings(notes) and Luke Ridnour





The fact that it is the Knicks and Clippers who are showing the most interst in Sessions is a real concern in itself. :pimp:
 
PapaG said:
Using Michael Redd as a reference seemed odd to me. I only pointed out that they have nothing in common as players.

That said, I'll be pissed if Sessions is given a contract that uses cap space.
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Michael Redd was referenced because he is a Milwaukee player who was drafted in the 2nd round and because of that entered a restricted free agent scenario similar to Sesions. Milwaukee moved players to clear cap space to keep him (Moving Ray Allen, no easy decision). Seing as how Milwaukee moved players to clear out cap space once again, and their past with Michael Redd and Mo Williams was to clear space and match, if you cannot see the similarity in the patterns then I cannot help you. History repeats itself, if you are willing to learn from it. Do you want to burn 10 days making an offer to a guy they are just going to match? That is what I am saying. They will match. Other teams know how much cap space Milwaukee has, how much they have themselves, and what kind of offers can be tendered. It is all just math. It can be really easy to figure out if you have a chance or not. I am guessing nobody does.
 
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