Why Milsap (or Lee) will not work in PDX.

[Hank The Dwarf]

I understand Milsap (and/or Lee) is a great player.. young, tough and talented. On paper - adding a player like Milsap makes a lot of sense. You have 96 minutes to divide up at the 4 and 5 spots.. and certainly a 3 player combination of Oden, LMA and Milsap would be great each getting 30 + minutes a night, but......

None of those guys can play SF.. so you cannot have all three of them on the court during crunch time. Are we really going to blow our load on a guy who has to sit on the bench for the last 8 minutes of every game?

It just does not make sense.

 

[STOMP]

merge with the other Millsap thread please... thanks

STOMP

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

I understand Milsap (and/or Lee) is a great player.. young, tough and talented. On paper - adding a player like Milsap makes a lot of sense. You have 96 minutes to divide up at the 4 and 5 spots.. and certainly a 3 player combination of Oden, LMA and Milsap would be great each getting 30 + minutes a night, but......

None of those guys can play SF.. so you cannot have all three of them on the court during crunch time. Are we really going to blow our load on a guy who has to sit on the bench for the last 8 minutes of every game?

It just does not make sense.

On the surface I agree, but someone reported that Milsap has agreed to play behind LA.

 

[Iwatas]

Missap is not going to be a Blazer. Either Utah folds, and does the 3-way Boozer that nets us a SF, or they match - and then still may do the 3-way.

The whole reason this leaked is to make sure Utah sees the logic. They are cornered. The only way they can avoid helping a division rival is to take a major financial hit.

iWatas

 

[ABM]

I hadn't seen this thread prior to posting my poll.

 

[tlongII]

It will work great. Backup PF is our biggest need. I think KP understands that.

 

[Hank The Dwarf]

It will work great. Backup PF is our biggest need. I think KP understands that.

Ridiculous.



We need an upgrade at starting SF and Starting PG... backup PF is way down on the list of things we need this off season.

 

[tlongII]

Ridiculous.



We need an upgrade at starting SF and Starting PG... backup PF is way down on the list of things we need this off season.

Way wrong like some many other nincompoops in here. We have SF's galore with Batum, Webster, and Outlaw. PG is set with Blake and Bayless. Backup PF is where we get hurt. It's not rocket science.

 

[Wheels]

It will work great. Backup PF is our biggest need. I think KP understands that.

15 mpg is more important than 30 mpg as a starting PG?

 

[Hank The Dwarf]

Way wrong like some many other nincompoops in here. We have SF's galore with Batum, Webster, and Outlaw. PG is set with Blake and Bayless. Backup PF is where we get hurt. It's not rocket science.

lol.. uh, ok.

I guess thats why Hedo was our #1 target this offseason?

 

[tlongII]

15 mpg is more important than 30 mpg as a starting PG?

Bayless will be the starting PG soon enough. PG is not that big a deal on this team with Roy anyway.

 

[tlongII]

lol.. uh, ok.

I guess thats why Hedo was our #1 target this offseason?

That would have been a huge mistake. Luckily it failed.

 

[Peaceman]

Ridiculous.



We need an upgrade at starting SF and Starting PG... backup PF is way down on the list of things we need this off season.

I don't agree we need a upgrade at SF. We do at PG. I like blake but he doesn't put enough pressure on the defense. Batum is more needed than many realize. We need a player who can pressure the best players at SG/SF on the other team. Batum is our stopper and I believe he helps to keep our bigs from worse foul trouble. Add a PG who can defend well and we get bonus scoring with GO playing more.

 

[Tortimer]

I think backup PF is very important. We need a banger/rebounder PF more then anythning except maybe a upgrade at pg. I would be happy with Bass but Millsap is great. I'm worried about how we are going to get him enough minutes though.

 

[Sug]

We need a new SG, our guys is going to holdout next season according to Quick. At least, rumor has it...

 

[RickyRubio]

Getting Millsap would be an amazing move.

 

[RickyRubio]

We need a new SG, our guys is going to holdout next season according to Quick. At least, rumor has it...

Go away.

 

[graybeard]

lol.. uh, ok.

I guess thats why Hedo was our #1 target this offseason?

We tried to get Hedo because he is a playmaker, not because we need a small forward. We can sign Milsap which is great, but we still need another playmaker. Sergio is gone and BRoy is all we have that can even come close to being called a distributor.

After picking up Milsap, the brilliant KP move would be to trade for Rubio. With his skillset, he'd be a starter in a year.

Give Minny any combination of Joel, Blake, Martel, Travis, draft picks, money, whatever....except Rudy and the core players, to get Rubio here. We need to get all the main pieces for a championship NOW. In the long run it's the wisest choice.

 

[alex42083]

but we still need another playmaker. Sergio is gone and BRoy is all we have that can even come close to being called a distributor.

Or Nate can unleash that guy in your avatar, and let him be the playmaker that some think he can be. I really think he can do it or at least show a little more diversity in his game than just a 3-point shooter.

 

[ucatchtrout]

Joel Pryzbilla is likely to opt out of his contract after this season. 2010-11 for him is player option. If he walks, we get nothing for him.

Pretty clear the Blazers will not be able to afford Joel Pryzbilla after paying Milsap, and then resigning Brandon and LA. Obviously we don't want to let him walk away for nothing, and trading him after the best season of his career does make some sense. It would be nice to know NOW whether or not Joel will be opting out.

Another factor in deciding what to do with our frontline depends on the development of Greg Oden.As Dave at Blazers Edge mentioned this morning, summer reports of player progress almost always paint rosy pictures.

The Blazers might choose to wait until they see what we really have in Greg Oden before moving Joel. A big man of Joels caliber is a rare commodity in the NBA. He could be a valuable bargaining chip.

With the front line we have assembled I would prefer to see the next position upgraded be point guard. None of the PGs on our roster have proven ability to effectively pass the ball inside on a consistant basis.

Milsap is a banger, who will provide us with a versatile front line, and someone who can also play backup center. And to pay him 10 million a year to play fifteen minutes a game doesn't make sense. Maybe his arrival makes Joel expendable.

 

[Blazer Freak]

I think it could definitely work, and I think at some points the blazers can even run with a Oden/Millsap/LA at the 5/4/3. It enables us to have great rebounding and LA outside with his smooth jumper.

Definitely plausible.

 

[Masbee]

I understand Milsap (and/or Lee) is a great player.. young, tough and talented. On paper - adding a player like Milsap makes a lot of sense. You have 96 minutes to divide up at the 4 and 5 spots.. and certainly a 3 player combination of Oden, LMA and Milsap would be great each getting 30 + minutes a night, but......

None of those guys can play SF.. so you cannot have all three of them on the court during crunch time. Are we really going to blow our load on a guy who has to sit on the bench for the last 8 minutes of every game?

It just does not make sense.

First, Milsap is possibly the best young free agent left on the board. Compared to Lee he isn't as good a scorer, but he is a better defender, proven in the Western Conference, and not demanding to start. The Blazers may have a sense that NY would match on Lee, thus he is already unavailable.

Think of the attempt to obtain Milsap as drafting the BPA on the board regardless of position.

In the case of Milsap's position, we do have a need for a "banger" backup 4. Few are better fit for that description than Milsap. Brandon Roy has said, "we need a banger". He didn't say, "we need a point guard", or "we need a small forward".

If we succeed in obtaining Milsap, then the Blazers can feel comfortable making big for small trades. Suddenly Joel is available to other teams. Trading Outlaw (our current backup 4) is no longer an issue.

If Utah were to match, then they have a payroll that is too high. This forces them to look to trade Boozer under pressure. The Blazers are in a perfect position to be the salary dump in a 3 team deal for Boozer. If that were to happen, we get a useful player out of the transaction.

The Blazers are forcing Utah's hand. "Either give us Milsap or cooperate on a 3 team deal to get us something else we want." Unless Utah can quickly pull a rabbit out of their hat, they have tough decisions.

 

[STOMP]

halt right there... it's the spelling police

dude's name is Millsap

STOMP

 

[Hank The Dwarf]

First, Milsap is possibly the best young free agent left on the board. Compared to Lee he isn't as good a scorer, but he is a better defender, proven in the Western Conference, and not demanding to start. The Blazers may have a sense that NY would match on Lee, thus he is already unavailable.

Think of the attempt to obtain Milsap as drafting the BPA on the board regardless of position.

In the case of Milsap's position, we do have a need for a "banger" backup 4. Few are better fit for that description than Milsap. Brandon Roy has said, "we need a banger". He didn't say, "we need a point guard", or "we need a small forward".

If we succeed in obtaining Milsap, then the Blazers can feel comfortable making big for small trades. Suddenly Joel is available to other teams. Trading Outlaw (our current backup 4) is no longer an issue.

If Utah were to match, then they have a payroll that is too high. This forces them to look to trade Boozer under pressure. The Blazers are in a perfect position to be the salary dump in a 3 team deal for Boozer. If that were to happen, we get a useful player out of the transaction.

The Blazers are forcing Utah's hand. "Either give us Milsap or cooperate on a 3 team deal to get us something else we want." Unless Utah can quickly pull a rabbit out of their hat, they have tough decisions.

You did not address my post at all.

why would you spend 10 mill a year on a player that cannot be on the floor during the final 8 minutes of a game?

makes no sense.

 

[Wheels]

You did not address my post at all.

why would you spend 10 mill a year on a player that cannot be on the floor during the final 8 minutes of a game?

makes no sense.

According to many of your posts.. Oden wont be very good, and will probably be in foul trouble by then, so he wouldnt be on the floor, freeing up LMA to move the the 5.. and Millsap coming in at the 4.










Honk

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I agree that getting Millsap makes no sense. I will quote myself when questioning whether or not to sign Hedo a while back:

I agree that Turkoglu would be a strange target, and here's one reason: 82Games.com ranks each team by PER difference/position. It's one rough way to work out where you have strengths and weaknesses. Our rank in SF is 7th in the league! Behind
Cleveland (obviously)
Denver (makes sense)
Philly (Iggy's pretty good)
Boston (I hear Paul Pierce is the Truth)
OKC (didn't they pick somebody after Greg Oden?)
Indiana (Danny Granger)

Here are all our positional rankings:
PF: 2 (!)
SG: 3 (no surprise there)
C: 16 (!!!! I imagine that should change soon)
PG: 16

So, by that metric, and assuming C will improve by itself, PG is our key weakness.
(PF is very surprising considering our lack of depth. But Aldridge does rank amazingly well by a lot of the "new metrics".)

We do NOT need to target a PF! The only way Millsap gets the minutes he deserves is by playing somebody out of position, or trading Joel (AND playing somebody out of position!) But why would that improve us?

 

[Masbee]

You did not address my post at all.

why would you spend 10 mill a year on a player that cannot be on the floor during the final 8 minutes of a game?

makes no sense.

This post makes no sense.

 

[Wheels]

I agree that getting Millsap makes no sense. I will quote myself when questioning whether or not to sign Hedo a while back:



We do NOT need to target a PF! The only way Millsap gets the minutes he deserves is by playing somebody out of position, or trading Joel (AND playing somebody out of position!) But why would that improve us?

Agree to that to an extent.. but also that is with Sergio as well last year.. not Bayless. Now while I dont expect Bayless to offer the assists and all that, there would be no reason why he cant offer Defense and Scoring, thus raising our production.

 

[Hank The Dwarf]

This post makes no sense.

What part are you having trouble with???


Oden - Center
LMA - PF

Milsap PF/C...

You cannot have one of those guys play SF.. just does not work. So when the game is on the line and we need our best players on the floor.. we will have a 10 mill player sitting next to Coach Mac-Mullan.

sounds like a good idea to you?

 

[anonymous gambler]

Getting Milsap makes a ton of sense. It gives us the freedom to trade Pryzbilla or, even, Aldridge if the trade is good.

Aldridge could bring back Devin Harris and more.

Pryzbilla in a package might bring us Gerald Wallace.

Additionally, getting him would weaken Utah.