Why the hell did we move up from 24 to 22?

[SodaPopinski]

All the mocks I've seen had Claver going early to mid second round. Why did we have to send Dallas some of our assets for the privelege of paying a guy even more than we would have had to at 24. That's the one piece that makes no sense to me.

 

[hasoos]

All the mocks I've seen had Claver going early to mid second round. Why did we have to send Dallas some of our assets for the privelege of paying a guy even more than we would have had to at 24. That's the one piece that makes no sense to me.

Bingo!

 

[Zipperhead]

All the mocks I've seen had Claver going early to mid second round. Why did we have to send Dallas some of our assets for the privelege of paying a guy even more than we would have had to at 24. That's the one piece that makes no sense to me.

Ummmm, in case you haven't noticed, mock drafts are not always 100% accurate.

 

[Tyler_Hansbrough]

yeah. mocks had hansbrough going in to 20-25 range and blair going 10-15 range. Mocks tell a lot dont they.

 

[SodaPopinski]

So the mavs and kings would have taken him? Bullshit. I think we fucked up and tried to turn it into something bigger, and when it didn't happen this Spanish scrub was our fallback.

 

[Pinwheel1]

All the mocks I've seen had Claver going early to mid second round. Why did we have to send Dallas some of our assets for the privelege of paying a guy even more than we would have had to at 24. That's the one piece that makes no sense to me.

Did you want another 2nd round pick that everyone could bitch about? They were not going to keep all 4. How much more did it cost us . $200,000? Sounds like they wanted the guy so they went after him like they always do.

 

[PapaG]

All the mocks I've seen had Claver going early to mid second round. Why did we have to send Dallas some of our assets for the privelege of paying a guy even more than we would have had to at 24. That's the one piece that makes no sense to me.

I didn't see DeJuan Blair as a second-rounder in any mock draft. Some guy in his Mom's basement puts togethers a mock draft and suddenly it's legit?

 

[hasoos]

Did you want another 2nd round pick that everyone could bitch about? They were not going to keep all 4. How much more did it cost us . $200,000? Sounds like they wanted the guy so they went after him like they always do.

1st round picks are guaranteed money. 2nd round picks are not. Capiche?

 

[Da_O]

Because there was word that Sacremento was going to take him with the 23rd pick, that's why.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I think we fucked up and tried to turn it into something bigger, and when it didn't happen this Spanish scrub was our fallback.

Then you answered your own question. Whats wrong with trying to turn it into something bigger. So it didn't work out. Big fucking deal

 

[hasoos]

Because there was word that Sacremento was going to take him with the 23rd pick, that's why.

Oh no! They would have taken a guy who will never play here? Oh nooooo!!!! The terror! The guy is going to play 2 years more overseas minimum and pull a Freeland on us.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Because there was word that Sacremento was going to take him with the 23rd pick, that's why.

Actually, the story was that they were after Casspi (true) and we moved up because we wanted him too (not true).

 

[SodaPopinski]

Because there was word that Sacremento was going to take him with the 23rd pick, that's why.

I guess. I had heard Sac had eyes for Casspi, not Claver.

 

[alex42083]

It didn't cost us too much.. the draft was just anticlimatic as a whole. It's a little more upsetting to me that Sergio's value was so damn low, he was basically a salary dump and we had to pay the Kings to take him. Oh well.. shit happens.

 

[Pinwheel1]

1st round picks are guaranteed money. 2nd round picks are not. Capiche?

We still only ended up with one 1st round pick. Capiche? The only thing we lost was two second round picks. We still had a shit load left.

 

[SodaPopinski]

I guess I just don't see the logic on this one. Won't come over for at least two years and plays our most loaded position.

 

[Zipperhead]

So the mavs and kings would have taken him? Bullshit. I think we fucked up and tried to turn it into something bigger, and when it didn't happen this Spanish scrub was our fallback.

Well, Pritchard said that Claver (Blazers have been targeting him for a long time now) and Pendergraph were the two players they targeted in this draft and their slight movement in the draft was to increase the odds of landing the players they targeted. If you have some information that contradicts this, please share. If not, some random opinion of a message board poster that has no idea what is going on behind the scenes doesn't mean very much to me.

 

[hasoos]

We still only ended up with one 1st round pick. Capiche? The only thing we lost was two second round picks. We still had a shit load left.

We could have traded completely out of the draft and been better off.

 

[Pinwheel1]

We could have traded completely out of the draft and been better off.

IF and only if Claver doesn't work out. You and I have no clue on that. KP thinks differently.

 

[Da_O]

Actually, the story was that they were after Casspi (true) and we moved up because we wanted him too (not true).

Actually the story you heard was wrong, I heard from a good source that the Kings had brought in Claver a couple of times for workouts not Casspi. It really didn't matter anyway because it was either him or Blair and it turned out that Blair just kept free-falling. Who else should we have got?

 

[Nikolokolus]

People are really upset which is baffling to me. Our opportunity cost to move up to 22 was a nearly worthless 56th pick and our 24th as an insurance policy in a very fluid draft to get the player KP supposedly really wanted in Claver. Secondly, we shed some money, another second round pick and an incosistent third year point guard who wanted out so we could get a possibly solid backup 4 in Jeff Pendergraph and 1.6 million more in cap room to use in free agency and possible lopsided trades.

I think people are just upset because KP didn't wheel and deal to make a really splashy move into the lottery; have we all forgotten what it's like to be a year-in-year-out playoff team? These are usually the kinds of drafts those teams have -- you don't get a lot of homeruns in the late first round and beyond, you feel lucky if you get rotation quality players. Be excited that the draft was anticlimatic and that the team is probably going to be aggressive in free agency.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Again, it cost us nothing to move up. In hindsight, I think Claver was plan C or plan D.

 

[The Sebastian Express]

People are really upset which is baffling to me. Our opportunity cost to move up to 22 was a nearly worthless 56th pick and our 24th as an insurance policy in a very fluid draft to get the player KP supposedly really wanted in Claver. Secondly, we shed some money, another second round pick and an incosistent third year point guard who wanted out so we could get a possibly solid backup 4 in Jeff Pendergraph and 1.6 million more in cap room to use in free agency and possible lopsided trades.

I think people are just upset because KP didn't wheel and deal to make a really splashy move into the lottery; have we all forgotten what it's like to be a year-in-year-out playoff team? These are usually the kinds of drafts those teams have -- you don't get a lot of homeruns in the late first round and beyond, you feel lucky if you get rotation quality players. Be excited that the draft was anticlimatic and that the team is probably going to be aggressive in free agency.

My thoughts exactly. A lot of people expect fireworks on draft day because of KP's history so they expect him to be wheeling and dealing to try and get a big lottery player or something.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Q: Does picking #22 instead of #24 cost the team more in cap space . . . higher salary for #22?

 

[Pinwheel1]

Again, it cost us nothing to move up. In hindsight, I think Claver was plan C or plan D.

Maybe, but if he turns out to be anything like Rudy or Batum I am OK with that. KP seems a little bit higher on him then Freedland or Kopono. You have to believe the scouts know a little more then we do.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

My thoughts exactly. A lot of people expect fireworks on draft day because of KP's history so they expect him to be wheeling and dealing to try and get a big lottery player or something.

The concern is, to date, KP has made most of his moves on or around draft day. He hasn't done a big trade at the trade deadline or big trade outside of the draft date.

So I can understand if fans are concern with draft day coming and going without any big moves (and there were big moves). This is usually KP's time . . . now KP has got to feel some pressure with getting something done before the season starts.

Stay tuned . .. I hope.

 

[SodaPopinski]

I'm fine with the pick. I've made no mystery about wanting to build through trades and free agency over the draft. I just don't understand the trade up two picks to get this kid. It cost us the increase in salary from 24 to 22 (yeah I get that its miniscule, but its still an unnecessary cost) and it cost us the opportunity to use those assets we sent to Dallas for another possible trade.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Maybe, but if he turns out to be anything like Rudy or Batum I am OK with that. KP seems a little bit higher on him then Freedland or Kopono. You have to believe the scouts know a little more then we do.

He has already not turned out to be like Rudy or Batum. KP said he wants to stash him - like Freeland and PK.

 

[alex42083]

Again, it cost us nothing to move up. In hindsight, I think Claver was plan C or plan D.

Yeah.. I know KP and the staff will say it was exactly how they saw it, but who knows. They can't get it right and get Plan A every time, can they? I wish I was a fly in that war room wall.

 

[andalusian]

Q: Does picking #22 instead of #24 cost the team more in cap space . . . higher salary for #22?

About an extra $70K next year, if my calculations are right - but this is based on last year's draft - so... there might be a small variation there...