Will the new President make Oregon great again?

[MarAzul]

Most of the infrastructure formerly used in this state is in various states of dereliction.
Including the Locks around the falls on the Willamette river at Oregon City The river has been navigable for over 140 years up stream to Jefferson.

But no more, Obama doesn't care, most of the ports on the Oregon Coast are becoming unpassable due to lack of dredging on the bars.

Who will fix this? Hillary or The Donald?

http://orsolutions.org/osproject/willamette-falls-locks
http://www.oregonlive.com/west-linn/index.ssf/2011/12/willamette_falls_locks_deemed.html

Then we have the once great Port of Portland. Once the Port that shipped more tonnage through to world than another on the West Coast. Totally idle, on the path to dereliction due to liberal leadership locally.
Hardly progressive.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Trump wants to privatize our highway and bridge system. Tolls everywhere!

I guess you haven't seen the new Tillicum bridge. No point in doing anything with the Willamette Falls locks since the bridge is too low to allow commercial traffic past it.

 

[riverman]

Who will fix this? Hillary or The Donald

Mexico

 

[MarAzul]

Trump wants to privatize our highway and bridge system. Tolls everywhere!

I guess you haven't seen the new Tillicum bridge. No point in doing anything with the Willamette Falls locks since the bridge is too low to allow commercial traffic past it.

Ok, I just downloaded the lastest nav chartl The Tillicum bridge allows a height of 77' to pass under at the center. This is one foot more than the 205 bridge at West Linn and 3 feet more than the old bridge at Oregon City. So it is not an impediment to river traffic. The inoperable locks sure are though. This section of the river was never navigable by ships, small craft and barge traffic.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Ok, I just downloaded the lastest nav chartl The Tillicum bridge allows a height of 77' to pass under at the center. This is one foot more than the 205 bridge at West Linn and 3 feet more than the old bridge at Oregon City. So it is not an impediment to river traffic. The inoperable locks sure are though. This section of the river was never navigable by ships, small craft and barge traffic.

How will the locks "Make Oregon Great Again"?

 

[MarAzul]

Mexico

Ouch! Hate to hear that from someone voting for Hillary.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Tbh i would put up a toll from vancouver to portland in the mornings unless they agree to helping us build a max to vancouver.

 

[julius]

Trump wants to privatize our highway and bridge system. Tolls everywhere!

I guess you haven't seen the new Tillicum bridge. No point in doing anything with the Willamette Falls locks since the bridge is too low to allow commercial traffic past it.

That is one thing I greatly disliked about the (un)Tillikum bridge.

Not that it's too low, but it's low.

Kind of like the new Sellwood bridge. I don't dislike it for how high it is, but that it's so boring and ugly looking.

 

[riverman]

Ouch! Hate to hear that from someone voting for Hillary.

who voted for Hillary? I'm done with the Dems and the GOP ...but I still hate Trump with a vengeance....that's not changing

 

[riverman]

I'd put a toll booth up on the border of California but only for cars with California plates

 

[MarAzul]

How will the locks "Make Oregon Great Again"?

Why don't you run a contest to see if someone might provide and answer. I am sure the Locks will not do it all on their own. Neither will access to port on the Oregon coast.
But what the hell, most everything Oregon ship out in days gone by doesn't now. This summer running around on the boat, the only thing I see being shipped is wood chips and logs. A lot of logs!
Not so smart I don't think, but what the heckl, soon nobody will notice when you can ship anything you won't notice.

 

[MarAzul]

I still hate Trump

Careful, this isn't good for health.

 

[riverman]

Careful, this isn't good for health.

nah....it's the only venting I get to do out here in the quiet hills....I didn't like the guy long before he was a candidate..still don't

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

nah....it's the only venting I get to do out here in the quiet hills....I didn't like the guy long before he was a candidate..still don't

Sounds like jealousy more than anything. Maybe I'm jealous of Hillary, will have to delve deep in the old noggin.

 

[riverman]

Sounds like jealousy more than anything

That made me laugh....fuck Trump, I have no jealousy of him, his silver spoon life or his silicon bimbos...I don't like bullies or blowhards or draft dodgers like Trump who claim to understand war.....the only thing Trump understands is how to use lawyers to manipulate his profits.....and to me, anybody who looks up to him has serious issues...wouldn't trade my life for Trump's period.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Most of the infrastructure formerly used in this state is in various states of dereliction.
Including the Locks around the falls on the Willamette river at Oregon City The river has been navigable for over 140 years up stream to Jefferson.

But no more, Obama doesn't care, most of the ports on the Oregon Coast are becoming unpassable due to lack of dredging on the bars.

Who will fix this? Hillary or The Donald?

http://orsolutions.org/osproject/willamette-falls-locks
http://www.oregonlive.com/west-linn/index.ssf/2011/12/willamette_falls_locks_deemed.html

Then we have the once great Port of Portland. Once the Port that shipped more tonnage through to world than another on the West Coast. Totally idle, on the path to dereliction due to liberal leadership locally.
Hardly progressive.

Why is it the president's responsibility to "fix" Oregon? Isn't that why we elect people to congress??? It's the president's job to represent the country as a whole, not go around and clean up the messes the individual states have made in their own backyards......often with the assistance...or lack thereof.....from an ineffective and criminally partisan congress. Your expectations of one individual are unrealistic. It's his or her job to worry about the big picture and our place in the world. And liberal leadership has absolutely nothing to do with it. It's a failure of leadership period. Maybe a huge part of the problem is that across the country everyone from the individual citizen on up is too busy choosing up sides for effective changes of any kind to occur anywhere.......

 

[Hobbesarable]

Why is it the president's responsibility to "fix" Oregon? Isn't that why we elect people to congress??? It's the president's job to represent the country as a whole, not go around and clean up the messes the individual states have made in their own backyards......often with the assistance...or lack thereof.....from an ineffective and criminally partisan congress. Your expectations of one individual are unrealistic. It's his or her job to worry about the big picture and our place in the world. And liberal leadership has absolutely nothing to do with it. It's a failure of leadership period. Maybe a huge part of the problem is that across the country everyone from the individual citizen on up is too busy choosing up sides for effective changes of any kind to occur anywhere.......

Yeah, I would sooner look to our State legislature for change rather than the president.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

That made me laugh....fuck Trump, I have no jealousy of him, his silver spoon life or his silicon bimbos...I don't like bullies or blowhards or draft dodgers like Trump who claim to understand war.....the only thing Trump understands is how to use lawyers to manipulate his profits.....and to me, anybody who looks up to him has serious issues...wouldn't trade my life for Trump's period.

Who looks up to him? He's a lucky ass who was born into money. So what?

It astounds me that people are pissed at him for how he grew up and he is supposed to be a saint despite his upbringing. If I was born in Detroit in the 60s I might be in charge of General Motors. I wasn't and I'm not.

Trump's life was never normal and despite that he is still a better choice than the alternative if you are against amnesty for illegals and importing hundreds of thousands of refugees here at what, 65 grand per year each?

Against Nafta and Ford making small cars in Mexico. Against the TPP..... go on and on.

The only thing Hillary's ads are missing is the elephant man. They make sure they pander to each and every minority possible. It's all bullshit by rich people who do not care what happens to anyone else.

And hey, if Trump doesn't even want to pay people he owes money to, maybe he won't waste trillions of our dollars. At least there is a CHANCE with him whether he is evil or not.

 

[Hobbesarable]

Who looks up to him? He's a lucky ass who was born into money. So what?

It astounds me that people are pissed at him for how he grew up and he is supposed to be a saint despite his upbringing. If I was born in Detroit in the 60s I might be in charge of General Motors. I wasn't and I'm not.

Trump's life was never normal and despite that he is still a better choice than the alternative if you are against amnesty for illegals and importing hundreds of thousands of refugees here at what, 65 grand per year each?

Against Nafta and Ford making small cars in Mexico. Against the TPP..... go on and on.

The only thing Hillary's ads are missing is the elephant man. They make sure they pander to each and every minority possible. It's all bullshit by rich people who do not care what happens to anyone else.

And hey, if Trump doesn't even want to pay people he owes money to, maybe he won't waste trillions of our dollars. At least there is a CHANCE with him whether he is evil or not.

I would like to believe we have a chance with any elected official. Call me jaded, but I will only believe it when I see it.

 

[riverman]

Who looks up to him? He's a lucky ass who was born into money. So what?

It astounds me that people are pissed at him for how he grew up and he is supposed to be a saint despite his upbringing. If I was born in Detroit in the 60s I might be in charge of General Motors. I wasn't and I'm not.

Trump's life was never normal and despite that he is still a better choice than the alternative if you are against amnesty for illegals and importing hundreds of thousands of refugees here at what, 65 grand per year each?

Against Nafta and Ford making small cars in Mexico. Against the TPP..... go on and on.

The only thing Hillary's ads are missing is the elephant man. They make sure they pander to each and every minority possible. It's all bullshit by rich people who do not care what happens to anyone else.

And hey, if Trump doesn't even want to pay people he owes money to, maybe he won't waste trillions of our dollars. At least there is a CHANCE with him whether he is evil or not.

People aren't pissed at Trump for how he grew up or his privilege....at least not me..I'm pissed at him for who he is, how he acts and profits from losses to avoid paying taxes..I don't like his misogynistic, disrespectful treatment of women and minorities...on and on...but hey, maybe he's your hero . He won't do any of the things he says if he's elected..he doesn't play well with others..has no sense of diplomacy or any quality it takes to be a leader....Trump makes shit overseas and always has....every car company in the world has plants all over the world...so do guitar makers...so what? I admire quite a few billionaires....Bill Gates, Warren Buffett...I'm not a classist. I just call it like I see it. Trump should change his slogan to Make America Hate Again

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

People aren't pissed at Trump for how he grew up or his privilege....at least not me..I'm pissed at him for who he is, how he acts and profits from losses to avoid paying taxes..I don't like his misogynistic, disrespectful treatment of women and minorities...on and on...but hey, maybe he's your hero . He won't do any of the things he says if he's elected..he doesn't play well with others..has no sense of diplomacy or any quality it takes to be a leader....Trump makes shit overseas and always has....every car company in the world has plants all over the world...so do guitar makers...so what? I admire quite a few billionaires....Bill Gates, Warren Buffett...I'm not a classist. I just call it like I see it. Trump should change his slogan to Make America Hate Again

Nope, he should have made it Make America Solvent Again from the very beginning. I don't for the life of me understand why people want to continue to kick the can down the road. I just saw a new stat that was something like over 90 million Americans don't participate in the work force.

There is a point when you fix a car that it isn't worth doing it because it costs more than it is worth. We may already be past that point. I've watched the videos from Europe that show what idiotic liberals will do to ruin this country. That you choose not to believe is on you. Saying I told you so is always fun for me but if I tell someone not to jump off the top of a skyscraper, I'm going to be right but so what?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I just saw a new stat that was something like over 90 million Americans don't participate in the work force.

There are 74 million people under the age of 18.
There are 40 million people that are over the age of 65.

http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-03.pdf

 

[Chris Craig]

It will neither of their jobs to fix Oregon. That is up to our state government...our governor, senators, representatives...

 

[riverman]

if I tell someone not to jump off the top of a skyscraper, I'm going to be right but so what?

not always

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

There are 74 million people under the age of 18.
There are 40 million people that are over the age of 65.

http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-03.pdf

Not as bad as I thought but not good. http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2015...llion-americans-who-arent-in-the-labor-force/

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

not always
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I'd still tell them they were stupid. They won't always die but someone will.

 

[MarAzul]

Why is it the president's responsibility to "fix" Oregon? Isn't that why we elect people to congress??? It's the president's job to represent the country as a whole, not go around and clean up the messes the individual states have made in their own backyards......often with the assistance...or lack thereof.....from an ineffective and criminally partisan congress. Your expectations of one individual are unrealistic. It's his or her job to worry about the big picture and our place in the world. And liberal leadership has absolutely nothing to do with it. It's a failure of leadership period. Maybe a huge part of the problem is that across the country everyone from the individual citizen on up is too busy choosing up sides for effective changes of any kind to occur anywhere.......

Yeah, I would sooner look to our State legislature for change rather than the president.

It will neither of their jobs to fix Oregon. That is up to our state government...our governor, senators, representatives...

My goodness, I had no idea so many lack the knowledge the the US Army Corps of Engineers is responsible for inland Navigation systems through the entire nation including Oregon.
Wow! one of the articles I linked spoke to the lack of funding within the Corp (administered by the Obama administration). I expect Clinton, if you fellas elect her, to continue this policy of neglect.

While money for the Corp has been in many bills passed by Congress, Obama has rejected them all. Our Governor has no power to fix this. Our list of Democrat representatives might have a role but they don't fix this.

How long has liberal leadership been running the ship of Portland? I sure don't think any conservative leadership shut the Port of Portland down. Do you?

Then we have this thought;
"Your expectations of one individual are unrealistic. It's his or her job to worry about the big picture and our place in the world."

Like I said in the opening. Our place in the world now, here in Oregon, is to ship close to nothing from Oregon to the rest of the world except wood chips and logs. I might like it if the leader did strive to improve our place in the world. I might still have the healthcare I earned. I might even be able to point to where our place in the world has improved. I do not see it. I do not hear how it will improve with the anointed replacement. I don't even think they know what the fuck the Corp of Engineers do! Apparently the people that vote for them don't either.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

My goodness, I had no idea so many lack the knowledge the the US Army Corps of Engineers is responsible for inland Navigation systems through the entire nation including Oregon.
Wow! one of the articles I linked spoke to the lack of funding within the Corp (administered by the Obama administration). I expect Clinton, if you fellas elect her, to continue this policy of neglect.

While money for the Corp has been in many bills passed by Congress, Obama has rejected them all. Our Governor has no power to fix this. Our list of Democrat representatives might have a role but they don't fix this.

How long has liberal leadership been running the ship of Portland? I sure don't think any conservative leadership shut the Port of Portland down. Do you?

Then we have this thought;
"Your expectations of one individual are unrealistic. It's his or her job to worry about the big picture and our place in the world."

Like I said in the opening. Our place in the world now, here in Oregon, is to ship close to nothing from Oregon to the rest of the world except wood chips and logs. I might like it if the leader did strive to improve our place in the world. I might still have the healthcare I earned. I might even be able to point to where our place in the world has improved. I do not see it. I do not hear how it will improve with the anointed replacement. I don't even think they know what the fuck the Corp of Engineers do! Apparently the people that vote for them don't either.

Having lived in the general area of the lock at Willamette Falls for my entire life, I would love to see it maintained and operating. But I can tell you that for at least a generation it has had no real "commercial" use or value. They were kept in service mainly for recreational, historical and educational use. Both my kids went through them in "war" canoes on school field trips. They were operated with little or no maintenance for years until they became a safety hazard. With funds needed elsewhere on more important projects, no one in any real position of power has been interested in putting funds into something that is not economically feasible. Sad but true......

 

[MARIS61]

Trump has said from the beginning we are going to rebuild our infrastructure, which will create jobs as a side benefit.

Clinton's New World Order ideology is what deliberately created the decay of the world's best infrastructure in the first place.

 

[MARIS61]

Kate Brown is being groomed by Michael Bloomberg to be his "Super-Hillary" a few terms down the line.