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I'm looking for some help trying to figure out the best option on how to get a good signal into my new studio.

Currently, our wireless set up is centered in our home and the studio is about 50-60 yards in the back of the house.
The house itself is fairly open without many walls to get to the outside. It has to go through the kitchen and the large pane windows above the sink to get signal heading in the direction of the studio.

However, the studio is going to be solid and sealed with lost of insulation and sound wave proofing(not sure if internet waves get blocked the same as audio waves when using special sound dampening products like Green Glue and Rockwool.

Doing some studying, it seems the only stable option I have is to dig a ditch from the house to the studio and run a hardline. This poses a problem though because I would then need to rout it into the house and to the router, which is not easy because I have a concrete path that goes all the way around my home and a full basement, so no crawlspace to go through and pop up into the wall where the router is. I used to run comcast cable and phone for a living, so I know how to find routes and this house will be a bitch if I have to do that. Talking multiple wall fishes.

So My search for a serious wireless booster is not really giving me clear answers on whether I can get a reliable signal. I do know there are x factors preventing a solid, black and white, yes or no, but Im struggling to find reviews and testimonials of anyone in a similar situation. All I find is wanting the signal to get out to the yard of someones home. or carport, etc.

I spoke to our IT tech at my company and he suggested Orbi(Obri?) but he isnt an interne tech as much as he is a software programmer, so he is not as up to date on the latest and greatest routers.

This one came up as a great product, but Im so ignorant on these things, I dont really know or understand the lingo they speak to know how to properly set them up and adjust them to work most efficiently to get the most out of them.

Amazon product ASIN B01MR90E3A
It seems to read that I need two of these? One near my router I run a hardline to/from and then a second in the studio, I also run a hardline to/from my PC there? Plus get a wireless signal for bandmates phones, ipads, etc?

Any advice on a device that would solve my problem would be fantastic. I'm hoping the answer isn't dig a ditch....Id either have to dig around the driveway ( another 20-30 yards worth of digging) or dig through hard compact gravel.
 
Orbi is a mesh network, which is basically what you will need. Way better than repeaters. Orbi is great, but Google Home works well and is a lot cheaper.

Buy one at costco and see if it works, if it doesn't return it. I do think they sell Orbi at costco, so probably get that if they have it.

One option if its truly blocked is to build some sort of outdoor weatherproof housing to put the router into just outside of the "studio" (we all know its your personal jack shack), then you can use the HDMI to put a cable through to the inside of the studio and put another mesh repeater in there.
 
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Run a Cat5 cable from your current router to the point that is the easiest to reach toward your building where you want the access. Set up and Access Point at that location.
Power it via the Cat5 cable with an adapter (can't remember the name of this item). I have a regular Linksys AP wrapped in plastic sitting under the over hang eaves, it has been there working away for 7 or 8 years. Perhaps you can then pickup the AP from your building. If not, then run an external antenna from outside to in your building
to your client receiver/router. An oudoor Client could be used on this end also, they often provide long range capability with a 10db directional antenna. I use one on the boat, to pick up AP perhaps a few miles away.
 
Orion Bailey said:
No its direct kine to the modem. We use amazon fire stick for tv.
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Since you don't want a ditch for 60 yards, that is a bit too far for most of the standard gear used in the house. Cat5 cable is good for 300' but that's out, no ditch.
So, I think you need a pair of point to point over the air, Access Point outside connected to your router, cat5, which beams the signal to it's partner client at the back building, 60 yards down stream. The unit I have in the boat can operate as both, a USB client and an AP for Wifi. Fire stick can pick up the Wifi.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2000mW-Indoor-Outdoor-Wi-Fi-USB-Adapter-14-dBi-directional-antenna-RV-Marine/111304322809?_trkparms=aid=555018&algo=PL.SIM&ao=1&asc=57476&meid=3d0c81ead87a425bbe1a7d05e1200a77&pid=100005&rk=3&rkt=12&mehot=pp&sd=131476323757&itm=111304322809&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851
 
MarAzul said:
Since you don't want a ditch for 60 yards, that is a bit too far for most of the standard gear used in the house. Cat5 cable is good for 300' but that's out, no ditch.
So, I think you need a pair of point to point over the air, Access Point outside connected to your router, cat5, which beams the signal to it's partner client at the back building, 60 yards down stream. The unit I have in the boat can operate as both, a USB client and an AP for Wifi. Fire stick can pick up the Wifi.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2000mW-Indoor-Outdoor-Wi-Fi-USB-Adapter-14-dBi-directional-antenna-RV-Marine/111304322809?_trkparms=aid=555018&algo=PL.SIM&ao=1&asc=57476&meid=3d0c81ead87a425bbe1a7d05e1200a77&pid=100005&rk=3&rkt=12&mehot=pp&sd=131476323757&itm=111304322809&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851
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You might be able to do it, Cat5 from the router to a signal amp to an outside Yagi antenna, to a receiving yagi at the cabin, for an AP. Probable cost more though
but one less electronic box.
 
Orion Bailey said:
I'm looking for some help trying to figure out the best option on how to get a good signal into my new studio.

Currently, our wireless set up is centered in our home and the studio is about 50-60 yards in the back of the house.
The house itself is fairly open without many walls to get to the outside. It has to go through the kitchen and the large pane windows above the sink to get signal heading in the direction of the studio.

However, the studio is going to be solid and sealed with lost of insulation and sound wave proofing(not sure if internet waves get blocked the same as audio waves when using special sound dampening products like Green Glue and Rockwool.

Doing some studying, it seems the only stable option I have is to dig a ditch from the house to the studio and run a hardline. This poses a problem though because I would then need to rout it into the house and to the router, which is not easy because I have a concrete path that goes all the way around my home and a full basement, so no crawlspace to go through and pop up into the wall where the router is. I used to run comcast cable and phone for a living, so I know how to find routes and this house will be a bitch if I have to do that. Talking multiple wall fishes.

So My search for a serious wireless booster is not really giving me clear answers on whether I can get a reliable signal. I do know there are x factors preventing a solid, black and white, yes or no, but Im struggling to find reviews and testimonials of anyone in a similar situation. All I find is wanting the signal to get out to the yard of someones home. or carport, etc.

I spoke to our IT tech at my company and he suggested Orbi(Obri?) but he isnt an interne tech as much as he is a software programmer, so he is not as up to date on the latest and greatest routers.

This one came up as a great product, but Im so ignorant on these things, I dont really know or understand the lingo they speak to know how to properly set them up and adjust them to work most efficiently to get the most out of them.

Amazon product ASIN B01MR90E3A
It seems to read that I need two of these? One near my router I run a hardline to/from and then a second in the studio, I also run a hardline to/from my PC there? Plus get a wireless signal for bandmates phones, ipads, etc?

Any advice on a device that would solve my problem would be fantastic. I'm hoping the answer isn't dig a ditch....Id either have to dig around the driveway ( another 20-30 yards worth of digging) or dig through hard compact gravel.
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If your studio is insulated with aluminum backed insulation...you might not ever get a good signal because it's effectively shielded..my question is.."Why would you ever want to go wireless in a recording studio? I'd use high end cable myself and in the case of bass I'd use a direct box to the board. I wouldn't trust wireless systems to record anything....I want that direct cable line to the master board
 
Orion Bailey said:
No its direct kine to the modem. We use amazon fire stick for tv.
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These work nicely too. MiFi 7730L. Just take it to where you need it.
https://www.verizonwireless.com/internet-devices/verizon-jetpack-mifi-7730l/
I use both on the boat, the 7730 to get internet straight from Verizon and Wifi in the boat for phones to use. With dual external antennas I can get internet access 25 miles at sea on the entire west coast.
The long range client to pick up APs in Marinas or Camp ground, Parks, where ever. Save the Verizon data that way. Saves phone call time either way.
 
riverman said:
If your studio is insulated with aluminum backed insulation...you might not ever get a good signal because it's effectively shielded..my question is.."Why would you ever want to go wireless in a recording studio? I'd use high end cable myself and in the case of bass I'd use a direct box to the board. I wouldn't trust wireless systems to record anything....I want that direct cable line to the master board
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The internet is only so guys can have a decent signal on their phones and for when i need to do updates on my mixer or pro tools. I dont surf the web on my recording computer. I just need a signal out there for devices.
 
MarAzul said:
Since you don't want a ditch for 60 yards, that is a bit too far for most of the standard gear used in the house. Cat5 cable is good for 300' but that's out, no ditch.
So, I think you need a pair of point to point over the air, Access Point outside connected to your router, cat5, which beams the signal to it's partner client at the back building, 60 yards down stream. The unit I have in the boat can operate as both, a USB client and an AP for Wifi. Fire stick can pick up the Wifi.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2000mW-Indoor-Outdoor-Wi-Fi-USB-Adapter-14-dBi-directional-antenna-RV-Marine/111304322809?_trkparms=aid=555018&algo=PL.SIM&ao=1&asc=57476&meid=3d0c81ead87a425bbe1a7d05e1200a77&pid=100005&rk=3&rkt=12&mehot=pp&sd=131476323757&itm=111304322809&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851
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MarAzul said:
You might be able to do it, Cat5 from the router to a signal amp to an outside Yagi antenna, to a receiving yagi at the cabin, for an AP. Probable cost more though
but one less electronic box.
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All of that is alot of wallfish work though. I just got done doing two for my cousin. Lol. This house is older with lathe and plaster upstairs still. If i were to do all of that i might just entertain sending the line right back out and digging the ditch. I have a line shovel from my underground days.
If there isn't a device or devises i cant just plug in near the router and again in the studio Nd have the wireless work, id probably just dig the ditch and go for the more consistent signal. Getting it into the studio wont be an issue.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Orbi is a mesh network, which is basically what you will need. Way better than repeaters. Orbi is great, but Google Home works well and is a lot cheaper.

Buy one at costco and see if it works, if it doesn't return it. I do think they sell Orbi at costco, so probably get that if they have it.

One option if its truly blocked is to build some sort of outdoor weatherproof housing to put the router into just outside of the "studio" (we all know its your personal jack shack), then you can use the HDMI to put a cable through to the inside of the studio and put another mesh repeater in there.
Click to expand...

I think i will try this and if it doesn't work, ill return it and sig a ditch.
Any grave robbers around here with nothing to do? Hit me up.
 
MarAzul said:
These work nicely too. MiFi 7730L. Just take it to where you need it.
https://www.verizonwireless.com/internet-devices/verizon-jetpack-mifi-7730l/
I use both on the boat, the 7730 to get internet straight from Verizon and Wifi in the boat for phones to use. With dual external antennas I can get internet access 25 miles at sea on the entire west coast.
The long range client to pick up APs in Marinas or Camp ground, Parks, where ever. Save the Verizon data that way. Saves phone call time either way.
Click to expand...

Now this is interesting...
 
andalusian said:
We have 2 brick walls between the office where the internet comes and the rest of the house - wifi does not like brick walls.

The solution we found when we decided we did not want to throw ethernet lines through the attic was powerline connection with an access point on the house part.

https://www.techradar.com/news/networking/powerline-networking-what-you-need-to-know-930691

Something like this should get the job done:

Amazon product ASIN B00EPGHHSS
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My studio is a separate building with a separate breaker panel though. Not sure this would work for my set up?
 
MarAzul said:
These work nicely too. MiFi 7730L. Just take it to where you need it.
https://www.verizonwireless.com/internet-devices/verizon-jetpack-mifi-7730l/
I use both on the boat, the 7730 to get internet straight from Verizon and Wifi in the boat for phones to use. With dual external antennas I can get internet access 25 miles at sea on the entire west coast.
The long range client to pick up APs in Marinas or Camp ground, Parks, where ever. Save the Verizon data that way. Saves phone call time either way.
Click to expand...
well I thought this was about wireless musical applications...not internet..cordless guitars and microphones and shit....my son piggy backed two cheap internet signal boosters to play his Xbox out in our bungalow and it worked great.not sure what brand or how he did it ..he's a computer wiz...builds his own systems..before he did that you could stream online but not game online...
 
Orion Bailey said:
The internet is only so guys can have a decent signal on their phones and for when i need to do updates on my mixer or pro tools. I dont surf the web on my recording computer. I just need a signal out there for devices.
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Orion Bailey said:
All of that is alot of wallfish work though
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Well then, that 7730 is your easy ticket. Just take it out there, Tether it to a computer and set it to be a hotspot. For phones and what ever needs internet.
Works very well, especially with two external antennas.
 
MarAzul said:
Well then, that 7730 is your easy ticket. Just take it out there, Tether it to a computer and set it to be a hotspot. For phones and what ever needs internet.
Works very well, especially with two external antennas.
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what is a 7730? A brand of signal booster you mentioned earlier? Where would OB purchase one?
 
riverman said:
well I thought this was about wireless musical applications...not internet..cordless guitars and microphones and shit....my son piggy backed two cheap internet signal boosters to play his Xbox out in our bungalow and it worked great.not sure what brand or how he did it ..he's a computer wiz...builds his own systems..before he did that you could stream online but not game online...
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It will be all about many things real soon now.

Such as, I have a new Radar for the boat to install next time I go there. It is a new type of radar, not a pulse type but continuous wave of very low power.
The signal comes to the display device, which in my case is a desktop PC, as an internet signal. Actually I intend to hook it up without running any wire but for
from the unit down the mizzen mast into the aft cabin where it plugs into a cat5 port on a simple router. I''ll pick up the router WiFi on the Navigation computer to overlay
the Radar info on the current navigation chart, display at the navigation desk. Optionally, cast the window to the TV on the bulkhead at the foot of my bunk when I wish
to get horizontal.
 
Orion Bailey said:
We are on verizon. Sounds like this might be the ticket!!!

Thanks Marzy!
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Do not buy Verizon's current model HotSpot. The 7730 was the current model up to a few months ago. It has Two external antenna ports, the current model does not.

To get the very best reception you do need to deploy Two antennas. I tested this out last year down in Oxnard. Believe me, it makes a huge difference Range and Download speed.
 
MarAzul said:
Do not buy Verizon's current model HotSpot. The 7730 was the current model up to a few months ago. It has Two external antenna ports, the current model does not.

To get the very best reception you do need to deploy Two antennas. I tested this out last year down in Oxnard. Believe me, it makes a huge difference Range and Download speed.
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When you say i need to deploy two antennas, you are referring to the ones that come with the 7730? Or are you saying i also need two antenna?

The product you listed is a like new. Im a bit more skeptical buying from people not selling new. But if it works, it works.
 
Great solutions here, but what's gonna happen down the road if you DO want to have a good internet connection out there. Maybe stream the band online? I suspect that you already know the best solution, but don't want to admit (or do) it. Lol.



Start digging....

Part of my private oasis in my Mom's basement, is under the garage concrete slab floor. "The bomb shelter". Seriously. Lol. ZERO Wi-Fi there so I ran a cable to another router/switch. Problem solved, and like Riverman said- no Wi-Fi interference problems.

NOTE- If you do run it, make sure to use 6A cable. I found some real stuff on Amazon for CHEAP, and it's way better than 5e for your future uses....
different-cat-categories.png I believe the 10G data speeds were good up to 100 yards with the 6A. I don't remember for sure though....

As always, just IMHO....
 
Orion Bailey said:
When you say i need to deploy two antennas, you are referring to the ones that come with the 7730? Or are you saying i also need two antenna?

The product you listed is a like new. Im a bit more skeptical buying from people not selling new. But if it works, it works.
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"also need two antenna"

It may work alright for you depending on your location relative to the Verizon connection point. The 4G LTe is pretty much line of sight. Your site being a in a fixed location, if it works well it likely always will. I think it is always fair to say, an external antenna will work better. But better may not be necessary. It is also true that
Two external antennas work better than one. My boat is not in a fixed location, so I always use two external antennas. I even deploy a Yagi as one of the antennas
when the distance to the signal is great. I doubt you will need that anywhere in the North Willamette valley.

Here in Bandon, I can connect to Verizon with just the internal antenna, but the download speed is slow, and using a phone via the wifi is not good.
Download speed test at less than one MB/sec
One external antenna, speed tests at 5 MB/sec phone works pretty good, streaming is abit jerky.
Two external antennas, speed test at 21 MB/sec Streaming is fine. < - Two omni directional antennas
 
MarAzul said:
"also need two antenna"

It may work alright for you depending on your location relative to the Verizon connection point. The 4G LTe is pretty much line of sight. Your site being a in a fixed location, if it works well it likely always will. I think it is always fair to say, an external antenna will work better. But better may not be necessary. It is also true that
Two external antennas work better than one. My boat is not in a fixed location, so I always use two external antennas. I even deploy a Yagi as one of the antennas
when the distance to the signal is great. I doubt you will need that anywhere in the North Willamette valley.

Here in Bandon, I can connect to Verizon with just the internal antenna, but the download speed is slow, and using a phone via the wifi is not good.
Download speed test at less than one MB/sec
One external antenna, speed tests at 5 MB/sec phone works pretty good, streaming is abit jerky.
Two external antennas, speed test at 21 MB/sec Streaming is fine. < - Two omni directional antennas
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And my post wasn't ment to undercut your ideas- I like yours, and it's by far the easiest. Mine would be more for future possible uses. That, and I'm a cheap ass. The cable and switch ran me like 50 bucks. Lol
 
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