Would it be worth mortgaging our future to make a run?

[Natebishop3]

Supposedly Woj and Lowe were talking about having the pieces to go get a third star.

Would you be willing to move guys like Simons/Collins/Little to get a legit third star and try to make a run?

I'm honestly not sure if it's worth it at this point. I'm so thrilled about the future with Ant, Nas, and ZCO that it would have to be a substantially talented player to make it worthwhile. A Kawhi Leonard caliber player. I'm not sure if that player exists on the market right now.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

For Anthony Davis or a legit all star that is near Dames level yes.

For Tobias Harris on a max contract no, his value doesn't exceed his contract cost by enough to warrant also giving up those pieces.

 

[Natebishop3]

For Anthony Davis or a legit all star that is near Dames level yes.

For Tobias Harris on a max contract no, his value doesn't exceed his contract cost by enough to warrant also giving up those pieces.

And there's just not that many guys in the league who check those boxes.

 

[Labinot41]

Who says that we need a 3rd star? This is just my thougts: Aminu and Harkless fucking suck, they just suck, okay, i never want to see them as a starter again and not together on the court. We need better wings, 3nD Role player wings who can shot the ball when opponent team make double team on Lillard, wings who can handle the Ball and make something good happen. We made the WCF without Nurkic, if he comes back and this team has those wings, we can beat any team

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Who says that we need a 3rd star? This is just my thougts: Aminu and Harkless fucking suck, they just suck, okay, i never want to see them as a starter again and not together on the court. We need better wings, 3nD Role player wings who can shot the ball when opponent team make double team on Lillard, wings who can handle the Ball and make something good happen. We made the WCF without Nurkic, if he comes back and this team has those wings, we can beat any team

Agreed, if we got 2 role players who could hit an open shot and defend it would drastically improve the effectiveness of our team. Batum was a late draft pick, Wes was an undrafted free agent, Ime Udoka was basically playing in Rec leagues, that is the type of addition we need.

If we can't resign Hood or Kanter I'm all for blowing the tax MLE on whatever wing has upside. There are plenty of serviceable centers at the minimum.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

And there's just not that many guys in the league who check those boxes.

Yeah, Paul George, Jimmy Butler, Kawhi, Davis. They come up for trade about once a year but often the team insists on trading them out of conference, other times none of those level of players are available.

 

[SlyPokerCat]

Would you not take that gamble on blake griffin?

Also, if Houston thinks they can convince Butler and Philly to sign and trade his way to Houston, why can't we?

 

[Mediocre Man]

Always

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Would you not take that gamble on blake griffin?

I would, within reason.

Also, if Houston thinks they can convince Butler and Philly to sign and trade his way to Houston, why can't we?

Houston is more easily able to remain below the tax apron (a requirement for accepting a player on a sign-and-trade), and their available large contracts (Eric Gordon, Clint Capela) are more valuable/desirable players than ours.

 

[SlyPokerCat]

I would, within reason.


Houston is more easily able to remain below the tax apron (a requirement for accepting a player on a sign-and-trade), and their available large contracts (Eric Gordon, Clint Capela) are more valuable/desirable players than ours.

Meh. I may be biased but I don't care for Gordon's game. And Capela is overrated. I'd rather want Simons, Little and/or Collins with Embiid and Simmons.

 

[SwissBlazer]

Would you not take that gamble on blake griffin?

Also, if Houston thinks they can convince Butler and Philly to sign and trade his way to Houston, why can't we?

Because the player has to agree.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Meh. I may be biased but I don't care for Gordon's game. And Capela is overrated. I'd rather want Simons, Little and/or Collins with Embiid and Simmons.

I'd say (and have said in another thread) that Gordon's game is a pretty perfect fit with Simmons.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Would you not take that gamble on blake griffin?

Also, if Houston thinks they can convince Butler and Philly to sign and trade his way to Houston, why can't we?

No I don't think I want to acquire Griffin on that massive contract. Maybe a case could be made to get him, but I don't think I'd give up multiple young assets or draft picks as well.

Maybe Neil inquired about Butler on a sign and trade, we don't know. For some reason Morey is parading his intention in the media, to me it seems more likely they know there is no chance Philly will agree to that trade but they want PR noise of trying to make a move or some type of other motive.

 

[Hoopguru]

Would you not take that gamble on blake griffin?

Also, if Houston thinks they can convince Butler and Philly to sign and trade his way to Houston, why can't we?

agree! Butler loves the outdoors, fishing & camping! This would be an amusement park for him. Plus he would stand a chance to become The Man as 1/2 option, here versus Houston.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I get the desire to improve the team chances at contending.

This roster did just get to the WCF, that opponent is now decimated by injuries next season, and all the key players on the Blazers were under 30 so there is a chance of significant internal development.

I'm all for making small additions to improve this team roster. Think of the Hood/Kanter addition last season. One or two bench players can make a massive improvement. But no I don't believe we need to mortgage the future, give up all our young assets, absorb some massive overpaid contract of a former all-star, or other drastic action.

Its the most success this franchise has had in 19 years but some fans seem to want to tear it apart as though this team needs to rebuild?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

A Kawhi Leonard caliber player. I'm not sure if that player exists on the market right now.

A Kawhi Leonard caliber player is on the market right now. His name is Kawhi Leonard.

 

[tlongII]

We already have 3 stars.

 

[oldfisherman]

Catch 22 question.

Simons/Collins/Little have not developed enough "potential" to land a third star in a trade.

And when they do have enough trade value, (we hope), we will not need a third star.

I believe quality depth will get this team further than a third star with weak depth.

 

[GDiama]

The problem I have with all this "mortgaging" our future stuff is that most of those players we have now will most likley not even approach the level of those players that will "mortgage" our future.

As for the bad contract thing we have just have a window next summer and that's it. Nothing after that. You have to think if those 20M can make such a big difference or not. And it might not even be 10M, but lets go with best case scenario. I hope yes and I wouldn't make a move now if i was the GM, but before trade deadline 2020 if I saw we can really go for it yes I'd happily throw Zach out of the window in order to get Blake. After all what we play for is to finally contend for a championship. You cannot be eternally building and finally get to a point that Simons is ready, but Dame isn't good enough anymore.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[Blazinaway]

Catch 22 question.

Simons/Collins/Little have not developed enough "potential" to land a third star in a trade.

And when they do have enough trade value, (we hope), we will not need a third star.

I believe quality depth will get this team further than a third star with weak depth.

Yeah, if Simons shows he is legit (good chance he will IMO) this yr his value could skyrocket. if Little shows anything decent his value goes up, But if Simons does blow up then I think the option of trading CJ increases for an SF/PF starter

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

A PF upgrade is critical.

Go get Draymond!

 

[B-Roy]

It's sometimes hard to take Woj seriously when you know he's just Neil's mouthpiece.

I certainly wouldn't trade our young guys for nothing, but I question how much value they really have around the league when they've shown almost nothing on an NBA court. Hard to tell whether it's Woj's feeling given his conversations with other teams or if it's just Neil doing the whole "our guys have so much value around the league" bullshit.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

I would give up one of Little or Simons (and a future draft pick) for somebody like Otto Porter. He's only 26 , so I don't know if that is mortgaging the future?

 

[illmatic99]

What mortgaging? What do you see as the ceiling for Little, Simons and Collins?

I see their absolute ceiling as bonafide starter level for all three players. Giving up these guys for a definite all star/ all nba quality player (no matter how overpaid) should be a no brainer. Especially since the guys being talked about (Love/Griffin/etc) fit perfectly with Dame/CJ/Nurk timeline. You're not going after washed up has beens.

 

[illmatic99]

We already have 3 stars.

No. We have one. and 2 guys who would add up to another one.

 

[e_blazer]

What mortgaging? What do you see as the ceiling for Little, Simons and Collins?

I see their absolute ceiling as bonafide starter level for all three players. Giving up these guys for a definite all star/ all nba quality player (no matter how overpaid) should be a no brainer. Especially since the guys being talked about (Love/Griffin/etc) fit perfectly with Dame/CJ/Nurk timeline. You're not going after washed up has beens.

What are you basing this ceiling assessment on? You've only seen one game and a few minutes of garbage time for Simons and you've never seen Little play a minute of NBA level ball. Both of those guys look to have the athleticism and raw tools to be all star level players. Obviously, there's a world of difference between having raw talent and athletic ability and actually developing it into an upper-echelon player, but I'd like to see what they can bring before trading them away. Love and Griffin are both guys who are towards the end of their All-Star window and both have long histories of significant injuries. Mortgaging the future for one of them doesn't seem reasonable to me. For a young guy like Leonard or AD, sure, but we both know that there's no player like that even remotely available to trade for.

 

[illmatic99]

What are you basing this ceiling assessment on? You've only seen one game and a few minutes of garbage time for Simons and you've never seen Little play a minute of NBA level ball. Both of those guys look to have the athleticism and raw tools to be all star level players. Obviously, there's a world of difference between having raw talent and athletic ability and actually developing it into an upper-echelon player, but I'd like to see what they can bring before trading them away. Love and Griffin are both guys who are towards the end of their All-Star window and both have long histories of significant injuries. Mortgaging the future for one of them doesn't seem reasonable to me. For a young guy like Leonard or AD, sure, but we both know that there's no player like that even remotely available to trade for.

All star level players don't get DNP CDs for 60 games in their rookie years. Show me a single one. I love Simons, but the hype behind him is absolutely nuts. Olshey's plan is working.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

All star level players don't get DNP CDs for 60 games in their rookie years. Show me a single one. I love Simons, but the hype behind him is absolutely nuts. Olshey's plan is working.

Middleton got 55 DNP's his rookie year, but that's not quite 60.

 

[illmatic99]

Middleton got 55 DNP's his rookie year, but that's not quite 60.

He was also far more proven in college. Simons is a completely unknown entity. I'm projecting his future with speculation like everyone else.

A year ago, he was just a guy who was picked 24th in the draft. What has he done to suddenly boost his value so much that people don't want to throw him in trades for all stars?