Would you take Jordan at 21?

[User01]

In Ford's latest mock draft, after the deadline, there were a few interesting things. He had Gallinari going to us at 10, stating that some Nets people have told him that they thought he could become a Dirk-type forward (I don't really know why).

He then has us taking DeAndre Jordan at 21. In NetsDaily's latest mock round-up, Jordan was the most common option. I know most of you don't want him (BOCTAOE) because you think he'll bust, as do I. But I was wondering about this, at what point would you take him? Even if you expect him to be terrible, you have to consider him due to his incredible potential. It didn't seem likely that he would be available at 21, but his stock has been falling a lot lately, so it seems more possible now. If he is there, do you consider him at that point, do you take him without hesitation, or do you just let him keep going by?

 

[Dumpy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (User01 @ Jun 17 2008, 01:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>In Ford's latest mock draft, after the deadline, there were a few interesting things. He had Gallinari going to us at 10, stating that some Nets people have told him that they thought he could become a Dirk-type forward (I don't really know why).

He then has us taking DeAndre Jordan at 21. In NetsDaily's latest mock round-up, Jordan was the most common option. I know most of you don't want him (BOCTAOE) because you think he'll bust, as do I. But I was wondering about this, at what point would you take him? Even if you expect him to be terrible, you have to consider him due to his incredible potential. It didn't seem likely that he would be available at 21, but his stock has been falling a lot lately, so it seems more possible now. If he is there, do you consider him at that point, do you take him without hesitation, or do you just let him keep going by?</div>

It's interesting--I remember the same argument made with regard to J.J. Redick. Eventually he went at #11--and he was still overpicked.

what does BOCTAOE mean?

 

[Netted]

Comes a point in time where you need to add solid guys you know will contribute something to the team and not draft all guys with "potential".

 

[#1_War_Poet_ForLife]

but of course there are obvious exceptions

 

[User01]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jun 17 2008, 01:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (User01 @ Jun 17 2008, 01:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>In Ford's latest mock draft, after the deadline, there were a few interesting things. He had Gallinari going to us at 10, stating that some Nets people have told him that they thought he could become a Dirk-type forward (I don't really know why).

He then has us taking DeAndre Jordan at 21. In NetsDaily's latest mock round-up, Jordan was the most common option. I know most of you don't want him (BOCTAOE) because you think he'll bust, as do I. But I was wondering about this, at what point would you take him? Even if you expect him to be terrible, you have to consider him due to his incredible potential. It didn't seem likely that he would be available at 21, but his stock has been falling a lot lately, so it seems more possible now. If he is there, do you consider him at that point, do you take him without hesitation, or do you just let him keep going by?</div>

It's interesting--I remember the same argument made with regard to J.J. Redick. Eventually he went at #11--and he was still overpicked.

what does BOCTAOE mean?
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But Of Course There Are Obvious Exceptions. Disclaimer created by Scott Adams, Dilbert creator.

 

[GMJ]

Thinking generally I wouldn't be opposed to taking him with the 21st pick in the draft. However looking specifically with what we could face this year, I'd much rather have CDR, Hickson, (many others) than this guy. Here's a popular theme about this year: we'll just have to wait and see.

 

[Netted]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jun 17 2008, 02:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's interesting--I remember the same argument made with regard to J.J. Redick. Eventually he went at #11--and he was still overpicked.</div>
J.J. Redick - I could see Gallinari being like him. Intense, good shooter, and gets to the line a lot. Gallinari has a few inches on him.

 

[J-HoAgZ]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jun 17 2008, 01:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jun 17 2008, 02:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's interesting--I remember the same argument made with regard to J.J. Redick. Eventually he went at #11--and he was still overpicked.</div>
J.J. Redick - I could see Gallinari being like him. Intense, good shooter, and gets to the line a lot. Gallinari has a few inches on him.
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Redick hasn't done shit in the NBA though.

 

[ghoti]

I don't completely buy that Jordan's stock is falling and do not think he will be available at #21.

 

[GMJ]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J-HoAgZ @ Jun 17 2008, 02:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jun 17 2008, 01:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jun 17 2008, 02:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's interesting--I remember the same argument made with regard to J.J. Redick. Eventually he went at #11--and he was still overpicked.</div>
J.J. Redick - I could see Gallinari being like him. Intense, good shooter, and gets to the line a lot. Gallinari has a few inches on him.
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Redick hasn't done shit in the NBA though.
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Intensity, and shooting ability are internal attributions. Being able to apply them by playing minutes is an external attribution.

See also: Moore, Mikki

 

[Netted]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J-HoAgZ @ Jun 17 2008, 02:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jun 17 2008, 01:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jun 17 2008, 02:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's interesting--I remember the same argument made with regard to J.J. Redick. Eventually he went at #11--and he was still overpicked.</div>
J.J. Redick - I could see Gallinari being like him. Intense, good shooter, and gets to the line a lot. Gallinari has a few inches on him.
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Redick hasn't done shit in the NBA <u>though</u>.
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And Gallinari has?

 

[Real]

He's not going to be at 21. Some team will take a chance at him based on his potental.

 

[Claud]

You dont pass up on Jordan with the 10th pick. He had a great workout and almost sure that will be our pick if he is available. No way they pass on him

 

[Universe]

No way he lasts between 15 - 20 if he gets past ten.

Same reason Patrick O'Bryant went at nine.

 

[Joey FistPump]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jun 17 2008, 02:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J-HoAgZ @ Jun 17 2008, 02:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jun 17 2008, 01:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jun 17 2008, 02:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's interesting--I remember the same argument made with regard to J.J. Redick. Eventually he went at #11--and he was still overpicked.</div>
J.J. Redick - I could see Gallinari being like him. Intense, good shooter, and gets to the line a lot. Gallinari has a few inches on him.
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Redick hasn't done shit in the NBA <u>though</u>.
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And Gallinari has?
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That was the point. He could be like Reddick...who has done shit...why wouls you want to draft a guy who compares to a player that hasnt done shit?

 

[GMJ]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Jun 17 2008, 03:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That was the point. He could be like Reddick...who has done shit...why wouls you want to draft a guy who compares to a player that hasnt done shit?</div>


Why are you forming an opinion on Galinari's skill level based on the minutes per game that JJ Redick gets?

 

[Kid Chocolate]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jun 17 2008, 04:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Jun 17 2008, 03:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That was the point. He could be like Reddick...who has done shit...why wouls you want to draft a guy who compares to a player that hasnt done shit?</div>


Why are you forming an opinion on Galinari's skill level based on the minutes per game that JJ Redick gets?

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It's that guido brain. Fuhgeddaboutit!

 

[Joey FistPump]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jun 17 2008, 03:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Jun 17 2008, 03:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That was the point. He could be like Reddick...who has done shit...why wouls you want to draft a guy who compares to a player that hasnt done shit?</div>


Why are you forming an opinion on Galinari's skill level based on the minutes per game that JJ Redick gets?

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I wasn't...and personally don't believe that the two are anything alike...mostly because one of Gallinaris weaknesses 3point shooting which is Reddicks best asset.

Gallinari reminds me of Zoran Planinic...tall, good fundamentals, ball handling abilty, good overall shooting mechanics, can play mulitple positions, very versitle...defensively suspect, lacking athleticism, inconsistent long range jumper, overrated...

 

[Dumpy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Jun 17 2008, 03:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jun 17 2008, 03:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Jun 17 2008, 03:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That was the point. He could be like Reddick...who has done shit...why wouls you want to draft a guy who compares to a player that hasnt done shit?</div>


Why are you forming an opinion on Galinari's skill level based on the minutes per game that JJ Redick gets?

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I wasn't...and personally don't believe that the two are anything alike...mostly because one of Gallinaris weaknesses 3point shooting which is Reddicks best asset.

Gallinari reminds me of Zoran Planinic...tall, good fundamentals, ball handling abilty, good overall shooting mechanics, can play mulitple positions, very versitle...defensively suspect, lacking athleticism, inconsistent long range jumper, overrated...
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again, how different is he from Boki--or least what Boki was when he was drafted?

this is what nbadraft.net said about him at the time:

Strengths: Another sweet shooting European SF. Combines great athleticism with good intelligence. Very smooth player with offensive skill and court sense. Great understanding of the game and plays under control and with great competitiveness. Runs the floor very well and can get off the floor well and finish. Can actually create off the dribble and his ball handling ability is good and looks like it can become very good. Is still prone to having his pocket picked, but his handles are adept for a SF. Will be able to help a team right away as he is probably more NBA ready than any player in the draft after becoming one of the key players on a Final Four Euroleague team, Benneton Treviso. Has range on his shot. He is the real deal. Not the shooter of Peja, but a more fluid athlete.

Weaknesses: Speed running the court is just average, but won't hurt him much because it's not bad. Defense must get better. Must become better at anticipating passes, one on one defense.

His report even reads BETTER than Galinari's!

maybe Gallilnari will be better than Boki in a year or three . . . but since Boki can be resigned, why not do it and take a different type of player who fills other weaknesses? You're never going to have Gallinari and Boki on the court at the same time, anyway.

 

[SportsTicker]

Where does it say this:

"He had a great workout and almost sure that will be our pick if he is available"

No one said he had a great workout. They liked that he competed after turning his ankle.

You have a number of fast-rising big men...Koufos, Ajinca, Hibbert.

 

[pegs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jun 17 2008, 05:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Where does it say this:

"He had a great workout and almost sure that will be our pick if he is available"

No one said he had a great workout. They liked that he competed after turning his ankle.

You have a number of fast-rising big men...Koufos, Ajinca, Hibbert.</div>

I'll take the not-soft big man, Hibbert

 

[danxcr]

hey if jordan is still available at the 21st id take him... but honestly id like courtney lee at the 21st... and a westbrook at the 10th... i mean if everybody is sayin hes monte like... id love for him and harris to be in our backcourt, meaning RJ really has to go for a legit 4.... a dream would be brand... realisticly it would be like chris wilcox, or omeka, or even charlie v from the bucks

 

[Claud]

I would rather roll the dices with a big man rather than a PG.

 

[Dumpy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Jun 18 2008, 11:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I would rather roll the dices with a big man rather than a PG.</div>

If the Nets select Lopez, they'll be drafting for need regardless of what they say. If Krstic can't improve--or isn't resigned--the Nets won't have a center (since we can assume that Diop will head back to Dallas). Still, I'd rather go with the BAP, because it isn't as if you're going to make the playoffs starting a rookie center, anyway.