You make the call..........

[Rick2583]

Since the turn of the century 26 PLAYERS have been elected to the HOF. Do you agree or disagree????????


2000 = Carlton Fisk & Tony Perez
2001 = Kirby Puckett, Dave Winfield & Bill Mazeroski (V.C.)
2002 = Ozzie Smith
2003 = Gary Carter & Eddie Murray
2004 = Paul Molitor & Dennis Eckersley
2005 = Ryne Sandberg & Wade Boggs
2006 = Bruce Sutter
2007 = Cal Ripkin & Tony Gwynn
2008 = Rich Gossage
2009 = Rickey Henderson & Jim Rice
2010 = Andre Dawson
2011 = Bert Blyleven & Roberto Alomar
2012 = Barry Larkin & Ron Santo (V.C.)
2013 = No one
2014 = Frank Thomas, Tom Glavine & Greg Maddox


I disagree on Perez, Puckett, Maz, Gossage, Rice, Larkin & Santo. And Sutter, I over looked him earlier.

 

[Hammerojustice]

Since the turn of the century 26 PLAYERS have been elected to the HOF. Do you agree or disagree????????


2000 = Carlton Fisk yes & Tony Perez yes
2001 = Kirby Puckett HELL NO, Dave Winfield yes & Bill Mazeroski (V.C.) I don't think so... but tough call
2002 = Ozzie Smith yes
2003 = Gary Carter yes & Eddie Murray ABSOLUTELY
2004 = Paul Molitor yes & Dennis Eckersley yes
2005 = Ryne Sandberg probably not & Wade Boggs yes
2006 = Bruce Sutter no
2007 = Cal Ripkin yes & Tony Gwynn yes
2008 = Rich Gossage yes
2009 = Rickey Henderson yes & Jim Rice tough call, but probably not
2010 = Andre Dawson yes
2011 = Bert Blyleven yes & Roberto Alomar barely
2012 = Barry Larkin no & Ron Santo (V.C.) I don't know enough about him, but I'm leaning towards no
2013 = No one
2014 = Frank Thomas ABSOLUTELY, 2 MVPs, 4 additional top 5s in MVP votings, 500+ HR, .300+ BA, almost 2500 hits, Tom GlavineABSOLUTELY, & Greg Maddox ABSOLUTELY


I disagree on Perez, Puckett, Maz, Gossage, Rice, Larkin & Santo.

see above

 

[Mattingly23NY]

Since the turn of the century 26 PLAYERS have been elected to the HOF. Do you agree or disagree????????


2000 = Carlton Fisk & Tony Perez
2001 = Kirby Puckett, Dave Winfield & Bill Mazeroski (V.C.)
2002 = Ozzie Smith
2003 = Gary Carter & Eddie Murray
2004 = Paul Molitor & Dennis Eckersley
2005 = Ryne Sandberg & Wade Boggs
2006 = Bruce Sutter
2007 = Cal Ripkin & Tony Gwynn
2008 = Rich Gossage
2009 = Rickey Henderson & Jim Rice
2010 = Andre Dawson
2011 = Bert Blyleven & Roberto Alomar
2012 = Barry Larkin & Ron Santo (V.C.)
2013 = No one
2014 = Frank Thomas, Tom Glavine & Greg Maddox


I disagree on Perez, Puckett, Maz, Gossage, Rice, Larkin & Santo.

2000 = Carlton Fisk & Tony Perez-YES TWICE
2001 = Kirby Puckett,(NOT NO-HELL NO) Dave Winfield & Bill Mazeroski (V.C.) (NO and NO-Maz gave us one great World Series Moment, that's it)
2002 = Ozzie Smith-YES
2003 = Gary Carter & Eddie Murray-YES and YES
2004 = Paul Molitor & Dennis Eckersley-YES TO BOTH
2005 = Ryne Sandberg & Wade Boggs-YOU BET YES TWICE
2006 = Bruce Sutter-NOPE
2007 = Cal Ripkin & Tony Gwynn-YES BIG TIME
2008 = Rich Gossage-CLOSE CALL, NO-OR MAYBE, and YES. Goose is hard to say NO to, especially after watching him throw as hard, and dominate so much, MAYBE YES, MAYBE NO?????
2009 = Rickey Henderson & Jim Rice-YES and NO, WELL MAYBE YES 2 RICE? CLOSE CALL ON RICE..but NO TO RICE????/
2010 = Andre Dawson-UGH, YES BUT- I HATE THIS FUCKER, WORST AUTOGRAPHER AT A SHOW I'VE EVER RAN INTO, I MEAN BIG ASSHOLE-BUT HE WAS A DAMN GOOD PLAYER, SO YES..
2011 = Bert Blyleven & Roberto Alomar-NO, and YES.
2012 = Barry Larkin & Ron Santo (V.C.) YES TO BOTH, GREAT PLAYERS, BEST IN THEIR TIME, OR 2ND BEST.
2013 = No one-HARD CALL, SOME GUYS WERE BORDERLINE, SOME I'D LIKE TO OF SEEN, BUT STILL NONE WERE WORTHY THIS YEAR.
2014 = Frank Thomas, Tom Glavine & Greg Maddox-YES TO ALL HANDS UP.

Now I know why I would NOT want to have a HOF Vote..!
No to Maz, Rice, Puckett, BlyLeven, Rice, Sutter, Winfield, close call on Perez, Santo, Goose.

Hands up YES to Larkin....great player, greater guy...great autograph dude...
I don't determine eligibility on Autographer Attitudes, tho' it give very clear insight into the Man behind the Uniforms......

 

[totus44]

It ain't a HOF until Pete Rose is in there.

 

[blgridesagain]

2000 = Carlton Fisk & Tony Perez - no, yes
2001 = Kirby Puckett, Dave Winfield & Bill Mazeroski (V.C.) - yes yes NO
2002 = Ozzie Smith - yes
2003 = Gary Carter & Eddie Murray - yes yes
2004 = Paul Molitor & Dennis Eckersley - yes, nnnn...ugh
2005 = Ryne Sandberg & Wade Boggs - yes yes
2006 = Bruce Sutter- no
2007 = Cal Ripkin & Tony Gwynn - yes yes
2008 = Rich Gossage - yes
2009 = Rickey Henderson & Jim Rice - yes and I wonder if Rice would've made it if they gave Guidry the MVP in 1978 instead of Rice, ahem...Guidry also pitched well and WON the famous '78 playoff game vs Rice's Redsox
2010 = Andre Dawson - no
2011 = Bert Blyleven & Roberto Alomar - no yes
2012 = Barry Larkin & Ron Santo (V.C.) - I guess so and YES
2013 = No one
2014 = Frank Thomas, Tom Glavine & Greg Maddox - yes yes yes

 

[Hammerojustice]

It ain't a HOF until Pete Rose is in there.

I agree, he should be in...

 

[Hammerojustice]

2000 = Carlton Fisk & Tony Perez-YES TWICE
2001 = Kirby Puckett,(NOT NO-HELL NO) Dave Winfield & Bill Mazeroski (V.C.) (NO and NO-Maz gave us one great World Series Moment, that's it)
2002 = Ozzie Smith-YES
2003 = Gary Carter & Eddie Murray-YES and YES
2004 = Paul Molitor & Dennis Eckersley-YES TO BOTH
2005 = Ryne Sandberg & Wade Boggs-YOU BET YES TWICE
2006 = Bruce Sutter-NOPE
2007 = Cal Ripkin & Tony Gwynn-YES BIG TIME
2008 = Rich Gossage-CLOSE CALL, NO-OR MAYBE, and YES. Goose is hard to say NO to, especially after watching him throw as hard, and dominate so much, MAYBE YES, MAYBE NO?????
2009 = Rickey Henderson & Jim Rice-YES and NO, WELL MAYBE YES 2 RICE? CLOSE CALL ON RICE..but NO TO RICE????/
2010 = Andre Dawson-UGH, YES BUT- I HATE THIS FUCKER, WORST AUTOGRAPHER AT A SHOW I'VE EVER RAN INTO, I MEAN BIG ASSHOLE-BUT HE WAS A DAMN GOOD PLAYER, SO YES..
2011 = Bert Blyleven & Roberto Alomar-NO, and YES.
2012 = Barry Larkin & Ron Santo (V.C.) YES TO BOTH, GREAT PLAYERS, BEST IN THEIR TIME, OR 2ND BEST.
2013 = No one-HARD CALL, SOME GUYS WERE BORDERLINE, SOME I'D LIKE TO OF SEEN, BUT STILL NONE WERE WORTHY THIS YEAR.
2014 = Frank Thomas, Tom Glavine & Greg Maddox-YES TO ALL HANDS UP.

Now I know why I would NOT want to have a HOF Vote..!
No to Maz, Rice, Puckett, BlyLeven, Rice, Sutter, Winfield, close call on Perez, Santo, Goose.

Hands up YES to Larkin....great player, greater guy...great autograph dude...
I don't determine eligibility on Autographer Attitudes, tho' it give very clear insight into the Man behind the Uniforms......

No to Winfield?

 

[Rick2583]

No to Winfield?

IMO Winfield is in because of his 3000 hits. That's pretty much an automatic.

I'm puzzled about the relief pitchers. Yes on Gossage & no on Sutter? Honestly don't think either one should be in there. And Sutter winning the CYA in 1979 was a Joke.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

IMO Winfield is in because of his 3000 hits. That's pretty much an automatic.

I'm puzzled about the relief pitchers. Yes on Gossage & no on Sutter? Honestly don't think either one should be in there. And Sutter winning the CYA in 1979 was a Joke.

Yeah your probably right here Rick....Winfield did earn his way...3,000 hits, I have no qualm with 3,000 hits as a guidline to a HOF consideration.

I saw both Sutter, and Gossage, quite frequently in Chavez Ravine in both's day. Honestly, I was never ever impressed with Sutter. Seems he was always having control problems, only when I saw him in L.A. Maybe I jinxed him as the White Rat Herzog loved Sutter, and Gossage, each time I saw him both as a Yankee, and as a Padre-moreso, Goose was always just fireball, glove smack explosive and dominating, whenever I saw him. A great seat field level, only 7 rows from the field right at first base, we had a great view of his smoke, Senor Smoke....I always thought, I could hit off of Sutter, (of course I was quit a bit younger then), and always thought HELL NO, I would NOT want to face the Goose, or Ryan, Koufax, Marichal, Bob Gibson, Sudden Sam when he was still an Indian..... and alot of others, fastball hurlers that blew afterburners.........

Add MO to that list right up top if you please....

 

[Rick2583]

Yeah your probably right here Rick....Winfield did earn his way...3,000 hits, I have no qualm with 3,000 hits as a guidline to a HOF consideration.

I saw both Sutter, and Gossage, quite frequently in Chavez Ravine in both's day. Honestly, I was never ever impressed with Sutter. Seems he was always having control problems, only when I saw him in L.A. Maybe I jinxed him as the White Rat Herzog loved Sutter, and Gossage, each time I saw him both as a Yankee, and as a Padre-moreso, Goose was always just fireball, glove smack explosive and dominating, whenever I saw him. A great seat field level, only 7 rows from the field right at first base, we had a great view of his smoke, Senor Smoke....I always thought, I could hit off of Sutter, (of course I was quit a bit younger then), and always thought HELL NO, I would NOT want to face the Goose, or Ryan, Koufax, Marichal, Bob Gibson, Sudden Sam when he was still an Indian..... and alot of others, fastball hurlers that blew afterburners.........

Add MO to that list right up top if you please....

My problem with Sutter & Gossage in there with around only 300 saves is how do you now justify keeping out guys like Lee with almost 500 saves, & Franco & Wagner with well over 400 saves. Especially Wagner (422 saves) with a 2.31 ERA & a 0.998 whip.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

My problem with Sutter & Gossage in there with around only 300 saves is how do you now justify keeping out guys like Lee with almost 500 saves, & Franco & Wagner with well over 400 saves. Especially Wagner (422 saves) with a 2.31 ERA & a 0.998 whip.

Well, you do indeed have a very valid point there, why do you think Lee Smith isn't in there? Or both Franco or Wagner....Hmmm, you got me on this one. I know this is why I would never get a HOF voter credential....LOL....

You are right tho' I have to eat my words, and rescind my comment about Goose, no doubt, yet someone saw something in him, I'm not sure what, maybe the dominance overwhelmed them,but shit so did Lee, John and Billy tooo. Those guys were great in their era's.......all of them. Yes, even Sutter...just not when I saw him, I think he may of been out on the Tinsel Town with a babe under each arm all night, then woke up hungover and had to go to the park late.......I'm not sure, something went afoul here, when he was in L.A.