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Nice try? whatever dude. Thats how it reads... but you do you. It's always sad when fans in talking about the team refer to them as We. As far as representing your opinion, you have nothing to do with them or anyone else. You're just you, watching them. We aren't consulted. We're just talking.
Lol. Hey man, whatever you have to do to feel better about yourself. Fly after it.

"This offseason after Lillard turned 30, he met with Blazers’ top executive Neil Olshey and urged him to “go for it” in the team’s pursuit for a championship. That mentality played a role in Olshey trading two first-round picks for Robert Covington, trading for Enes Kanter, and signing noted defender Derrick Jones Jr."
https://theathletic.com/2428871/202...d-bradley-beal-trail-blazers-wizards-loyalty/

That pressure from their star was found after literally 3 minutes of digging... the google machine still works. Players available when those picks came up included Tyrese Maxey, Jayden McDaniels, Desmond Bane & Herb Jones. You are only kidding yourself if you don't think the guy Olshey constantly referred to as the guy he was building the team around wasn't regularly consulted on team moves throughout his time in PDX.

Wow. Dame wanted to win. Shocking. Did Dame demand we keep CJ? Did Dame demand we make those specific trades? No. He very likely supported management when he was told that was the best they could do.
Again, Olshey sucked and had fucked up motives for creating his imbalanced and poor defensive rosters.

With a healthy Dame balling out last year, the Blazers sucked again. That they didn't/don't have nearly enough talent was laid bare, but lets do the same thing and expect different results?
This last season was expected. Cronin literally said it was an imbalanced roster before the season started. When the Blazers started hot it was a HUGE surprise. Nobody has suggested we do the same thing as last year. Nobody.

On improving the team, I'm not stuck to one view point like you clearly are.
You obviously haven't been reading much of what I've said. I'm fine with drafting at #3. I'm fine with trading it. As I've said multiple times.

Hell, I'm open to Shaedon trade talk. I'm definitely for trading the #3 for the right price too. The obvious issue with Dame and the Blazers going forward is the conflicting timelines. Historically best route to adding talent is hitting on draft picks, but thats not easy either and a team usually has to exercise some patience while Dame Time is running out. Not knowing the particulars of whats available in the trade market, I see many talented players in this draft...

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Our best shot at a title in the next decade is by keeping Dame and adding to him. There is no low risk way to replace his production, experience, or star power. All of which you need in the playoffs. If he decides he wants out we should get the best value possible out of him. But it will hurt us more than it will help us for likely 4+ years. Teams don't often get better in the near term or the long term by trading their stars.
 
If so, I would want Caruso as much as anyone else on that roster.

you're right, Caruso would be a nice addition. Not sure the Blazers have enough to get it done along with DDR for Ant

Ant + Little +Keon +23 for DDR + Caruso + all future 1st's back?
 
geeeezuzz...If Orlando is willing to trade both 6 & 11 for Simons, I don't much care what else they send. Gary Harris is fine; I prefer Bol Bol rather than Anthony though

Simons for #6 + #11 + Harris + Bol...sign me up
:smiley-dizzy: that would be one hell of a trade package for Simons. Bodes well for the possibility of a good Dame trade return if it ever came to that in the future. We got two lotto picks for Ant, Dame is going to command much more.

If we had #3, #6, #11, AND #23? I would trade down to #4 + #20 and get Amen for sure, and Lively would be someone I take a serious look at. With #6, #11, #20, and #23, we would have the choice to go down many routes. Having both Thompson twins is certainly tantalizing. Hendricks is also someone I would want, but maybe Jarace Walker is already a win-now kind of prospect. Getting our 1sts back from CHI for #23 is a must.

Lots of possibilities if Ant for both their lotto picks was even a remote possibility.
 
I do find a bit of irony in your post, which seems to favor the rebuild, in that you point out a bunch of past roster mistakes by the organization. Why do you have faith in them to manage a full rebuild?
I don’t. But I think they have a better chance of striking gold in the draft than through trades or free-agent acquisitions. All-Stars don’t want to come to Portland, but if you can draft some future All-Stars, they may fall in love with the town and decide they want to stay. That’s what happened with Lillard.

The point of my post, however, was that if Portland fans felt betrayed by Cronin going back on his word not to trade Lillard, they would get over it like they’ve gotten over everything else in franchise history.
 
The point of my post, however, was that if Portland fans felt betrayed by Cronin going back on his word not to trade Lillard, they would get over it like they’ve gotten over everything else in franchise history.

there would not be an issue because Dame won't be traded unless he asks to be traded, and if he does, Cronin will not be slammed for that

people would save their outrage for what Dame is traded for
 
I think you misunderstood my post. I was saying that the Blazers have nothing to gain by being misleading about their intentions about a rebuild around Dame. Cronin didn’t have to say anything about his plans going forward at the post-deadline interview. He could have just said something to the effect that all options are under review. He went out of his way to say that the team was fully committed to aggressively rebuilding around Dame. I don’t see anything to be gained by misleading fans and the league that way if the actual intent was going to be to dump Dame off for a big haul of assets for a rebuild.

My thought is that he did have to say this for the benefit of Lillard. If he said, "all options are under review", that creates a media frenzy for Lillard who now would have to answer, "What is your thoughts on this?" and "Do you feel as if the team isn't as committed to you as they have been in the past?". Plus, in my opinion, in doesn't damage his trade value. A disgruntled Lillard has less value I would think.
 
I don't know, 6 & 11 for 3 would be very tempting to me.

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6 & 11 for 3 sound good without context. Scoot is said to be a generational kind of PG and would’ve gone #1 in many other past NBA drafts. If CHA skips out on Scoot for Miller, we’re giving up a sure thing, so the return has to be bigger than two lower chances at a sure thing, otherwise you might as well hold onto the sure thing. I’m holding out hope for Wagner and #6 if a deal gets done with ORL. #3 and Nurk for WCJ, Bol, #6, and #11 would also be good. #3 for #6 and #11 is where I pause until I know who the previous four were.
 
6 & 11 for 3 sound good without context. Scoot is said to be a generational kind of PG and would’ve gone #1 in many other past NBA drafts. If CHA skips out on Scoot for Miller, we’re giving up a sure thing, so the return has to be bigger than two lower chances at a sure thing, otherwise you might as well hold onto the sure thing. I’m holding out hope for Wagner and #6 if a deal gets done with ORL. #3 and Nurk for WCJ, Bol, #6, and #11 would also be good. #3 for #6 and #11 is where I pause until I know who the previous four were.
I was just saying in another thread that I think #3 and Nurk for Wagner, WCJ and #11 is something that makes sense. Nurk matches WCJ's contract and Wagner fits into the TPE. You still have #11, #23 and the salaries of Ant and Nas to try and make one more splashy move on draft night.
 
I was just saying in another thread that I think #3 and Nurk for Wagner, WCJ and #11 is something that makes sense. Nurk matches WCJ's contract and Wagner fits into the TPE. You still have #11, #23 and the salaries of Ant and Nas to try and make one more splashy move on draft night.

I think if you have to make a move with the pick, this is one of the better options I see. BUT, I still think Scoot could be a generational talent much like Lillard became and the thought of passing that up makes me cringe.
 
Wow. Dame wanted to win. Shocking. Did Dame demand we keep CJ? Did Dame demand we make those specific trades? No. He very likely supported management when he was told that was the best they could do.
You said there was no evidence of him doing so and I gave you direct quotes of him saying he did so. Without a pause, you move on to Dame wanted to win as if thats some sort of excuse, as if not everyone wants to. He meddled then, he's meddling now. Whats the point of having a discussion with you if you're going to be so disingenuous? Trading away two #1's for Roco was a complete and total bust for the team that he pushed the GM to do... thats a fact. You have no clue what Dame how adamantly he was behind the scenes demanding this specific move (or others) just like you had no clue that he went to Olshey and told (his words) him to go for it that offseason in the first place. I don't buy any of what you're posting about this, do you?

This last season was expected. Cronin literally said it was an imbalanced roster before the season started. When the Blazers started hot it was a HUGE surprise. Nobody has suggested we do the same thing as last year. Nobody.
The Blazers started off squeaking out some tight victories, whatever. What does that have to do with them lacking talent then and now? They sucked last year and are very unlikely to be vastly improved this year.

You obviously haven't been reading much of what I've said. I'm fine with drafting at #3. I'm fine with trading it. As I've said multiple times.
lol, thats obviously not what I was referring to.

Our best shot at a title in the next decade is by keeping Dame and adding to him.
if this were true, then they have next to no shot of winning a title in the next decade as Dame is near done and Portland is no where close. I just don't buy your overall gloom and doom premise about a future post DL. With Dame, if they do everything right this offseason and the stars align perfectly with an amazing offseason in draft/trades, Shaedon transcending into greatness like Neo, Nurk finding fitness Jebus and everyone staying super healthy, they've the longest of outside shots at contending in 2024-5. I'm not holding my breath. There is no telling how good Shaedon will be once he comes into his own. The guys who could be his running mates could be even better. Portland's best odds at competing and winning are down the line. Step one, they need to keep and hit on their picks understanding they've a long journey ahead.

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You said there was no evidence of him doing so and I gave you direct quotes of him saying he did so. Without a pause, you move on to Dame wanted to win as if thats some sort of excuse, as if not everyone wants to. He meddled then, he's meddling now. Whats the point of having a discussion with you if you're going to be so disingenuous? Trading away two #1's for Roco was a complete and total bust for the team that he pushed the GM to do... thats a fact. You have no clue what Dame how adamantly he was behind the scenes demanding this specific move (or others) just like you had no clue that he went to Olshey and told (his words) him to go for it that offseason in the first place. I don't buy any of what you're posting about this, do you?
I 100% believe Dame implored Olshey to be aggressive. I expect every All Star in the league is doing the same.

I don't think Dame made any of those moves or that Olshey's hands were tied in any way by Dame.

I don't think Joe's hands are tied by Dame either.

The Blazers started off squeaking out some tight victories, whatever. What does that have to do with them lacking talent then and now? They sucked last year and are very unlikely to be vastly improved this year.

They expected to suck last year. And you're free to your opinion about this upcoming year.

lol, thats obviously not what I was referring to.

Don't know what you're talking about then.

if this were true, then they have next to no shot of winning a title in the next decade as Dame is near done and Portland is no where close. I just don't buy your overall gloom and doom premise about a future post DL. With Dame, if they do everything right this offseason and the stars align perfectly with an amazing offseason in draft/trades, Shaedon transcending into greatness like Neo, Nurk finding fitness Jebus and everyone staying super healthy, they've the longest of outside shots at contending in 2024-5. I'm not holding my breath. There is no telling how good Shaedon will be once he comes into his own. The guys who could be his running mates could be even better. Portland's best odds at competing and winning are down the line. Step one, they need to keep and hit on their picks understanding they've a long journey ahead.

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Yes, that's correct. They have next to no shot at winning a title in the next 10 years.

However, IMO they have a better chance of doing so with Dame than without him.
 
I 100% believe Dame implored Olshey to be aggressive. I expect every All Star in the league is doing the same. I don't think Dame made any of those moves or that Olshey's hands were tied in any way by Dame. I don't think Joe's hands are tied by Dame either.
No he's not tying anyone's hands, he's publicly threatening to leave if Joe doesn't do what he wants (trade picks for impact vets... like Roco) so wrong analogy. More, my way or the highway. Thats not being a team player which seems like might have been the case for a while now

They expected to suck last year. And you're free to your opinion about this upcoming year.
obviously what happens around the draft will impact everyone's outlook, I'm just not seeing a short term path to greatness

Yes, that's correct. They have next to no shot at winning a title in the next 10 years.
disagree. Hitting on their picks is paramount to their long term potential with last year's selection boosting my hopes management knows what they're doing, but you're free to your opinion about sucking for the next decade

However, IMO they have a better chance of doing so with Dame than without him.
Capped out, not very good with their top talent about to hit the downslope as his pay escalates and takes up even more of the cap... disagree again

Hopefully thats enough for you as I'm pretty much done with this

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No he's not tying anyone's hands, he's publicly threatening to leave if Joe doesn't do what he wants (trade picks for impact vets... like Roco) so wrong analogy. More, my way or the highway. Thats not being a team player which seems like might have been the case for a while now
Disagree. I don't think he's done that at all. That is your perception, and I think the interview Dame did the other day on the boxing show kind of confirms how inaccurate that perception is.

obviously what happens around the draft will impact everyone's outlook, I'm just not seeing a short term path to greatness

History tells me it's far less likely that trading Dame will help us get great than if we add to Dame. Teams usually don't get better by trading All Stars.


disagree. Hitting on their picks is paramount to their long term potential with last year's selection boosting my hopes management knows what they're doing, but you're free to your opinion about sucking for the next decade
Not once did I ever say anything about sucking for the next decade. That is you, once again, applying a position to me that I don't have. If you have to do that to continue the conversation we should cease the conversation.

Half of the teams in the league have never one a title. Every small market team has a near zero chance at winning a title in the next decade unless they have multiple veteran all star caliber players.
It doesn't mean every small market team sucks. It just means it takes star power, great coaching, and a balanced roster to get small market teams a chance. Even then, they nearly always fail to win a championship.

Capped out, not very good with their top talent about to hit the downslope as his pay escalates and takes up even more of the cap... disagree again
It's alright to disagree.

Hopefully thats enough for you as I'm pretty much done with this

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You've been done since very early on when you started making arguments against positions I haven't advocated for.
 
History tells me it's far less likely that trading Dame will help us get great than if we add to Dame. Teams usually don't get better by trading All Stars.

The problem is that it's not that binary.

There's too many factors to make it that simple. Dame's age. His health. Who is available to acquire. Who is available to draft. There's this big mix of variables, and unfortunately we're running out of time.

Think about this..... it has been two years since Dame first voiced frustrations about the team and hinted at maybe wanting out. TWO YEARS. We have burned two more years of Dame's prime and what do we have to show for it? Are we any closer to contending than we were two years ago? No.... in fact we're much further away. Dame is almost 33. Yes, he's an All-Star right now. Yes, he probably has a few more years where he can play at this level, but that time is finite.

I think Dame is in a position where he doesn't really want to leave. He just built a castle. His family is all here. He loves our city. He's comfortable. I totally get that. But realistically, it's in his best interest and the teams best interest to trade him. Dame won't be able to contend here (most likely). He only has a few years left where he can play at a high level. Now is the time to go after that ring. Conversely, the team shouldn't be selling off their future to try to win with Dame, and they should cash in the Dame chip while they can still get decent value for him to help with the rebuild. Nobody seems to want to admit that it's time for a divorce.
 
The problem is that it's not that binary.

There's too many factors to make it that simple. Dame's age. His health. Who is available to acquire. Who is available to draft. There's this big mix of variables, and unfortunately we're running out of time.

Think about this..... it has been two years since Dame first voiced frustrations about the team and hinted at maybe wanting out. TWO YEARS. We have burned two more years of Dame's prime and what do we have to show for it? Are we any closer to contending than we were two years ago? No.... in fact we're much further away. Dame is almost 33. Yes, he's an All-Star right now. Yes, he probably has a few more years where he can play at this level, but that time is finite.

I think Dame is in a position where he doesn't really want to leave. He just built a castle. His family is all here. He loves our city. He's comfortable. I totally get that. But realistically, it's in his best interest and the teams best interest to trade him. Dame won't be able to contend here (most likely). He only has a few years left where he can play at a high level. Now is the time to go after that ring. Conversely, the team shouldn't be selling off their future to try to win with Dame, and they should cash in the Dame chip while they can still get decent value for him to help with the rebuild. Nobody seems to want to admit that it's time for a divorce.
Ok. What does that look like? What could we get out of Dame that would help us and put him in position to contend for a title?

I can't really think of anything. So divorce seems a whole lot worse than moving ahead with Dame, Sharpe, Grant, Nurk, #3, and Simons.

If we can turn #3, #23, and Simons into legit valued vets who fit we're going to be in the running for a top 4 seed.
 
Ok. What does that look like? What could we get out of Dame that would help us and put him in position to contend for a title?

Depends on the team. Obviously Dame said that he would prefer Miami or Brooklyn, but I still love the idea of trading him to Boston for Brown and then sending Brown to a team like OKC or Houston for picks and young players.

I can't really think of anything. So divorce seems a whole lot worse than moving ahead with Dame, Sharpe, Grant, Nurk, #3, and Simons.

Worse in what way? Would trading Dame mean that we would lose more games for the foreseeable future? Probably. I guess it depends on how fast the young guys developed, and what their ceiling is. Boston was able to turn it around immediately with Brown and Tatum. To me, building towards a championship is the only path I'm interested in, and I think we have reached the ceiling of what this team can do with Dame. That is unless we can add another legitimate star.

If we can turn #3, #23, and Simons into legit valued vets who fit we're going to be in the running for a top 4 seed.

We already did sacrifice our future for "legit valued vets." We got RoCo and Norm and Nance. We don't need legit valued vets. We need another legit star or stars.
 
But realistically, it's in his best interest and the teams best interest to trade him.

Sorry, but that's just wrong. It's presumptuous.

People need to stop thinking of what they would want and projecting it onto Damian Lillard or anyone else. You just stated a bunch of things Dame has in Portland. Maybe that's what he wants and that's what holds the MOST value to him, more than winning a championship. Realistically, THAT -- being happy -- is what's in his best interest.

It gets so tiresome to keep having to remind folks that different people prioritize different things. We're not a bunch of identical objects coming off an assembly line.
 
And to add to all of this, it seems prime draft picks are available in trade this season more so than all stars. I'm not advocating anything, but it seems Ant can be traded for a top 10 pick. I doubt Orlando Gives up 6 and 11, but Ant is a hometown kid. I would take 6 and Harris.
 
Sorry, but that's just wrong. It's presumptuous.

People need to stop thinking of what they would want and projecting it onto Damian Lillard or anyone else. You just stated a bunch of things Dame has in Portland. Maybe that's what he wants and that's what holds the MOST value to him, more than winning a championship. Realistically, THAT -- being happy -- is what's in his best interest.

It gets so tiresome to keep having to remind folks that different people prioritize different things. We're not a bunch of identical objects coming off an assembly line.

But that's not what he has been saying. He has said repeatedly that he wants the team to try to contend, and that might not be possible.

So for his career, it makes very little sense to stay in Portland.
 
But that's not what he has been saying. He has said repeatedly that he wants the team to try to contend, and that might not be possible.

So for his career, it makes very little sense to stay in Portland.

You're absolutely wrong, Nate. And not just in one way.

First, someone told me something years ago and it rings truer every day I get older: "Pay closer attention to what they do than what they say."

Then, where you take a mighty swing and a miss is the idea that Dame saying he wants to contend isn't a thing, but it's EVERYTHING. It's THE ONLY THING.

Of course Dame wants to contend. I mentioned somewhere else, though, that's not really the question. It should be expected that he wants to win. The actual question you and others need to be asking is "What is MOST important to Damian Lillard?" Is it contending? Is it making the utmost attempt to contend? Is it making an honest attempt to contend but within a framework of realizing it might not be possible and then saying "I'd love to win, but I love the stability and loyalty and being a builder more than just being a piece on a championship team that I otherwise had nothing to do with."

Is the best job the one that makes you the most visible or pays you the most money, or is the best job the one that pays you just enough to be comfortable but also affords you time to spend with your family and the ability to foster worthwhile relationships that the first two jobs might not? The answer to that isn't the same for everyone.

You hear rumors, or hear Dame answering leading questions and then you conclude A. Other people conclude Z. There might be elements of A and Z in the answer, but there are 24 letters in between that might even be more accurate, complete answers and you aren't even open to them because, in your mind, you know what you would do and that means that's what Dame would/should do.

I've read and listened to allllll the same Dame interviews you have, and, I have to tell you, what you say is true, but it's also a very limited, non-contextual version of what he's actually put out there. And context matters. It still matters, and it makes a big difference when you're trying to assess all of this.
 
You're absolutely wrong, Nate. And not just in one way.

You think I'm wrong, but that's just your opinion based on the same information that I have seen. We're both speculating based on what Dame has said. To me, these statements are very clear. "I want a chance to go for it." What do you think that means? I suspect he doesn't mean he wants to go for the 8th seed. He doesn't want to get bounced in the first round. If Dame wants a chance to go for it, that probably means he needs to go somewhere else.

From April
"I don't have much of an appetite for building and guys 2-3 years away from really going after it. I think we get Shaedon at 19 and he's just different. I think just being around him, his disposition, how he listens, his frame, his natural talent and his ability... that's enough 19 year olds. And you probably won't find one that will come along the way he has. I'm just not interested in that. This is not a secret. I want a chance to go for it. If the route is to do that, well that's not my route. I think we're all in line with doing what we gotta do to put a team together that we can actually go out there and get something done."

From yesterday
"We got an opportunity asset wise to build a team that can compete. That would be the number one thing, but if we can't do that, obviously like I said for months now, then there would be a separate conversation that we would have to have. We have to let things take their course."

"I'm not a fool. I'm not crazy. I love the organization that I play for, I love the city that I live in, and I'm going to give them every opportunity to give me... give us what we need to have a true chance to compete for that. If that's something that isn't possible, or something that can't get done, then we got a different conversation to be had."
 
You think I'm wrong, but that's just your opinion based on the same information that I have seen. We're both speculating based on what Dame has said. To me, these statements are very clear. "I want a chance to go for it." What do you think that means? I suspect he doesn't mean he wants to go for the 8th seed. He doesn't want to get bounced in the first round. If Dame wants a chance to go for it, that probably means he needs to go somewhere else.

I think CJ put it best......he just wants a fighting chance.
 
You think I'm wrong, but that's just your opinion based on the same information that I have seen. We're both speculating based on what Dame has said. To me, these statements are very clear. "I want a chance to go for it." What do you think that means? I suspect he doesn't mean he wants to go for the 8th seed. He doesn't want to get bounced in the first round. If Dame wants a chance to go for it, that probably means he needs to go somewhere else.

From April
"I don't have much of an appetite for building and guys 2-3 years away from really going after it. I think we get Shaedon at 19 and he's just different. I think just being around him, his disposition, how he listens, his frame, his natural talent and his ability... that's enough 19 year olds. And you probably won't find one that will come along the way he has. I'm just not interested in that. This is not a secret. I want a chance to go for it. If the route is to do that, well that's not my route. I think we're all in line with doing what we gotta do to put a team together that we can actually go out there and get something done."

From yesterday
"We got an opportunity asset wise to build a team that can compete. That would be the number one thing, but if we can't do that, obviously like I said for months now, then there would be a separate conversation that we would have to have. We have to let things take their course."

"I'm not a fool. I'm not crazy. I love the organization that I play for, I love the city that I live in, and I'm going to give them every opportunity to give me... give us what we need to have a true chance to compete for that. If that's something that isn't possible, or something that can't get done, then we got a different conversation to be had."

Well, the difference is that one of us actually is looking at a full picture while the other is taking bits and pieces, keeping what fits his narrative and discarding what doesn't. Usually, a person that's trying to portray an accurate picture of what's happening wouldn't go so far as to tell his opposition that they do have a point in what they are saying but that they are missing or deliberately excluding vital information in pursuit of a narrative.

However, if you are comfortable in continuing to portray yourself and pursue your argument in that way, that's fine. I just think you're going to realize that it looks disingenuous.

None of the other quotes you posted or even the parts you bolded change anything. I already addressed them. In fact, as I mentioned at the very beginning of the post to which you're replying, I put more stock in Dame's actions than his words, but you are, as I just said above, taking his words and putting your own emphasis on what advances your narrative, completely free of context and even what questions he was answering.

The bottom line, though, is none of those quotes exclude the interpretation I present. It's not the win you seem to think it is.

You also completely ignored the bigger point -- and, not surprisingly, the 2,000-pound gorilla that crushes your entire position -- that Dame can say all of that and it doesn't exclude other possibilities (which, BTW, are more strongly evidenced in his actions and other comments that you avoid) or, more importantly, that Dame can want exactly what you say he wants but at the end of the day value other things even more than that.

Anyway, I guess we can keep going this way where you continue to double-down on stuff I've already addressed and effectively rebuffed, or you can read what I actually wrote, stop pretending you're in Dame's head, and reconsider your biases. It's your time. If I have time to explain the fallacies again, I'll try to do so.
 
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I truly don't understand the debate. Building a winner isn't realistic with what we have.

Money - Don't have it to buy a stud free agent
Nurk - You are going to get something young and needs developing or something old, but not something good.
Ant - A mid level talent the same as him but maybe at another position
Grant - We didn't give up talent for him and his value didn't exactly go up.
Sharpe - Would a team give up an All-Star caliber for a possible up and comer? Maybe. Salaries would be enough to match if so.
#3 Pick - See first sentence of Sharpe.

Now add in we have a GM that is green and didn't really show much in his only opportunity to remake the team last year. Maybe you all know something I don't.
 
Totally, but to get from where we are now as a roster, to a point where we have a punchers chance is..... quite a ways.

Let me ask you something, Nate. Have you ever wanted more than one thing, or has your entire life been driven by absolutes?

Your position on this almost is like someone would view Damian Lillard as a fictional character without complex, multiply-directional motivations that he has to try to balance. You make him out as very two-dimensional, very shallow and simple. It's neither realistic of a human being nor is is very becoming. You aren't a dumb guy. I think you can see this if you just got out of the rhetorical/hyperbole spin cycle you seem to be caught up in right now.
 
stop pretending you're in Dame's head

I don't have to be in Dame's head. He was very clear.

How can you misunderstand his statements? Even his best friend, CJ McCollum, said that he thinks he will be traded.
 
Let me ask you something, Nate. Have you ever wanted more than one thing, or has your entire life been driven by absolutes?

Your position on this almost is like someone would view Damian Lillard as a fictional character without complex, multiply-directional motivations that he has to try to balance. You make him out as very two-dimensional, very shallow and simple. It's neither realistic of a human being nor is is very becoming. You aren't a dumb guy. I think you can see this if you just got out of the rhetorical/hyperbole spin cycle you seem to be caught up in right now.

Because it all seems very simple to me. Dame has made some very clear statements about what he wants. He's almost 33 years old. He only has a few years left where he's playing at this level. If he wants to go for it, as he said, it's unlikely he will be able to go for it here.

I'm positive that Dame will retire in Portland when he's all done playing. So I'm not sure what actions you think are so contrary to what Dame has actually said about the situation.
 
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