Trade Avdija to Blazers

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Good trade?

  • Yes

    Votes: 92 86.0%

  • No

    Votes: 4 3.7%

  • Maybe

    Votes: 14 13.1%
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blazerkor said:
I really like Deni but I don't think the dude has that it factor you're talking about. Shaedon could have it if he develops the fire to. Scoot could have it if he develops the skills to. Deni is a do everything guy who is going to be really valuable to have if we can put together a contender but I don't think he would ever be THE guy on even a playoff team.

I'd love to be wrong though... I think he seems cool and I like how hard he goes out there.
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That's my take as well. But I hope I'm wrong and he becomes an MVP contender.
 
blazerkor said:
I really like Deni but I don't think the dude has that it factor you're talking about. Shaedon could have it if he develops the fire to. Scoot could have it if he develops the skills to. Deni is a do everything guy who is going to be really valuable to have if we can put together a contender but I don't think he would ever be THE guy on even a playoff team.

I'd love to be wrong though... I think he seems cool and I like how hard he goes out there.
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Deni is not the guy, he's the guy you want on your team who doesn't need to be the guy but has the ability to be the guy when needed. He's special.
 
HailBlazers said:
Pippen didn't have the IT factor either.
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True. Important to point out that Chicago already had MJ when they drafted Pippen. And they could make lopsided trades with no salary restrictions, and didn't have to worry about a salary cap.

Also, Pippen didn't cost them 2 or 3 first rounders. So they were able to draft guys like Horace Grant.
 
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Natebishop3 said:
There were some fans who were super down on the Deni trade...... maybe we need a Deni crow thread?
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I'd still probably lean towards the trade being an overpay just because I really liked that 2029 pick.

But Deni has been arguably the best Blazers this season and has such a fun game to watch, really enjoy rooting for him and very happy he's on the team.
 
julius said:
It's exaggerating the chances of it happening, which is the textbook definition of hyperbole.
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Interesting, considering I didn't address the chances of it being #2. I certainly didn't say it was likely. Only potentially that high.

Which seems to be exactly as high as that pick could be. In other words, there are not protections eliminating the possibility of it being a #2 pick.

There was absolutely no exaggeration in my post.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Interesting, considering I didn't address the chances of it being #2. I certainly didn't say it was likely. Only potentially that high.

Which seems to be exactly as high as that pick could be. In other words, there are not protections eliminating the possibility of it being a #2 pick.

There was absolutely no exaggeration in my post.
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pretty clearly, the chances the Blazers land the #1 AND #2 picks in that draft are close to nil. Yeah, it could happen; the laws of gravity might change as well

however, it's entirely possible that pick is a top-10 pick; meaning Portland paid 2 lottery picks and two 2nd's for Avdija. And Avdija could have already walked away in free agency a year before the Blazers have to send that pick to Washington. It was a steep price, and a risky price, paid for a role player who will turn 24 next week
 
Natebishop3 said:
It was a bad trade because that pick could end up being the greatest player of all time!
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yes, saying it could be a #2 pick is stretching probability past the breaking point. However, it could easily be, for example, a 9th pick; after already giving up a 14th pick 6 months ago

the last time the Blazers did something similar was when they traded 2 firsts for RoCo. The first was the 16th pick in the 2020 draft when the Balzers lost the opportunity to draft one of:

Isaiah Stewart
Saddiq Bey
Tyrese Maxey
Immanuel Quickley
Payton Pritchard
Jaden McDaniels
Desmond Bane

the 2nd pick was the 23rd pick in 2023. It was less impactful than the year before, but Portland did lose out on an opportunity to draft one of:

Quentin Grimes
Cam Thomas
Santi Aldama
Herbert Jones
Ayo Dosunmu

that was the opportunity cost of the RoCo trade. The cost from a 16th and 23rd pick, which was pretty clearly a bad trade for Portland. The opportunity cost from a 14th & 9th pick could be much higher; and that still doesn't account for the Blazers giving up their 2028 & 2030 2nd round picks too. As I said, those 3 later picks could all be shipped to Washington when Avdija is no longer a Blazer

now, if Avdija's ceiling is all-star and he reaches that ceiling, no issue. But if his ceiling is a starting level role-player the cost could be quite high
 
wizenheimer said:
yes, saying it could be a #2 pick is stretching probability past the breaking point. However, it could easily be, for example, a 9th pick; after already giving up a 14th pick 6 months ago

the last time the Blazers did something similar was when they traded 2 firsts for RoCo. The first was the 16th pick in the 2020 draft when the Balzers lost the opportunity to draft one of:

Isaiah Stewart
Saddiq Bey
Tyrese Maxey
Immanuel Quickley
Payton Pritchard
Jaden McDaniels
Desmond Bane

the 2nd pick was the 23rd pick in 2023. It was less impactful than the year before, but Portland did lose out on an opportunity to draft one of:

Quentin Grimes
Cam Thomas
Santi Aldama
Herbert Jones
Ayo Dosunmu

that was the opportunity cost of the RoCo trade. The cost from a 16th and 23rd pick, which was pretty clearly a bad trade for Portland. The opportunity cost from a 14th & 9th pick could be much higher; and that still doesn't account for the Blazers giving up their 2028 & 2030 2nd round picks too. As I said, those 3 later picks could all be shipped to Washington when Avdija is no longer a Blazer

now, if Avdija's ceiling is all-star and he reaches that ceiling, no issue. But if his ceiling is a starting level role-player the cost could be quite high
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I would take Deni over pretty much all of those guys. Maybe Maxey but short scoring guards are not exactly rare.
 
Natebishop3 said:
It was a bad trade because that pick could end up being the greatest player of all time!
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If Scoot, Sharpe, and Clingan reach their absolute maximum potential adding Deni to them might be enough to be a legit contender at some point in the next 5-10 years. But we won't be a very deep team (unless our front office simply out maneuvers the rest of the front offices in the league, or if we get the next great coach).

If they don't, we're going to need quite a bit more talent. I'm just not sure what assets we'll have to add that talent if we're getting late lotto picks or worse next year and beyond.

Hopefully we can knock it out of the park with this draft.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I would take Deni over pretty much all of those guys. Maybe Maxey but short scoring guards are not exactly rare.
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that wasn't the choice though. It was RoCo over all those guys, not Deni

we don't know yet what the opportunity cost of Avdija is going to be.
 
Deni was a great move by the front office. When he's hitting shots he's a needle moving player and recently he's been shooting well. For a 6'9 guy he's got a really explosive first step and the strength to finish through contact. He's got me watching games again.If you think we overpaid with 2 picks for him and Brogdan, I think he's worth it and we were basically gifted DB for peanuts as well as Camara in the Nurk deal..basically got him for Nassir Little....I think Joe did a good job given the circumstances.
 
BlazerBeav said:
Anyone lamenting the potential lost value of draft picks 4.5 years from now is clearly not attending games currently - because I'm much more interested in seeing competent basketball prior to November of 2029.
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Also, people are only lamenting losing them because we lost them. They were "low value, distant" picks of contenders when we possessed them.
 
RR7 said:
Also, people are only lamenting losing them because we lost them. They were "low value, distant" picks of contenders when we possessed them.
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I challenge you to find any posts of mine saying anything of the sort. You won't, because I considered those picks essential to rounding out a contender or extending the window of a contender.

I was also very interested in turning Brogdon into a pick.

However, I think it's important that I reiterate that I don't hate the deal. And I really like Deni.

I'm just concerned with adding as much talent as possible while we have the opportunity. We aren't going to do it via free agency, and we have no advantage in trades.
 
BlazerBeav said:
Anyone lamenting the potential lost value of draft picks 4.5 years from now is clearly not attending games currently - because I'm much more interested in seeing competent basketball prior to November of 2029.
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That's loopy.....there was a ton of 'worthy' discussion here about the super "haul" the Blazers got for trading Dame. Pretty ridiculous to claim those picks had great value when the Blazers landed them, then turn around and claim they have irrelevant value now and it's unworthy discussion

Blazers didn't get Avdija for free. They paid a price. It's entirely legitimate to discuss the price, especially when the value of that price shifts over time
 
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wizenheimer said:
that wasn't the choice though. It was RoCo over all those guys, not Deni

we don't know yet what the opportunity cost of Avdija is going to be.
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Oh I thought you were using it as a comparison of what kind of players could potentially be available when the pick rolls around.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Oh I thought you were using it as a comparison of what kind of players could potentially be available when the pick rolls around.
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the kinds of players available with a 16th and 23rd pick. Avdija's price could be, for example, a 14th and an 8th or 9th pick; plus a couple of 2nd's too. Sure, it could be less than a top-10 pick, but we don't know at this point

as I said earlier, if Avdija's ceiling is an all-star, and he actually reaches his ceiling, it would probably be a fair price. But he's essentially 24 and not very close to all-star now. His ceiling could be quite a bit lower. He's definitely better than RoCo, but Portland very likely paid a lot more than they did for RoCo
 
hand wringing over a kid who is currently in probably the 8th or 9th grade is weird.
 
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julius said:
hand wringing over a kid who is currently in probably the 8th or 9th grade is weird.
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It has nothing to do with any kid and everything to do with the potential value of the asset.

We will need something added to the team to compete for a championship. We will need to send out value to get that piece.

I'm hoping that adding so much talent now doesn't prevent us from adding even more talent than Deni brings.

If that is the case then we would need even more to round out the team to be in a competitive position, and we'll have fewer valuable assets to do that with.

Whatever player is going to be picked at that spot isn't necessarily the prize. The fact that you have a pick which could potentially be as high as number two may be. Depending on what you need and how those teams are doing.

That was a very valuable and flexible asset. We have now lost that flexibility and we're more than likely going to be in less favorable draft position over the next couple seasons.

So at this point, I'm just hoping that we're a lot further along in this rebuild than I actually think we are.
 
Random. Deni must be top 5 most handsome Blazers. What other good looking Blazers are there (past or present)?
 
I wonder if anyone who still valued Malcolm Brogdon and random possibly useless lottery picks feels differently about us getting a young fairly paid future all nba guy whose a fan favorite already?
 
Said it at beginning of year people will fall in love with this guys game. Plays hard does all the little things needed to win basketball games. Once Grant is traded he’ll slide nicely into the PF position.
 
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