Exclusive All Things Scoot

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  1. Hoopguru

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    I believe his FG% is 43.5%
     
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    42N8Bounce Red Hot And Rebuilding

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    Agreed. Very tough to get the numbers to line up. It looks like the G-League has a 'Regular Season', a 'Showcase Cup', and 'Playoffs'. I tried to stick with his most recent data - 2022-23 Regular Season.
     
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    The draft is all about balancing that 'Potential' vs 'Production' and how that will translate to the NBA. The reason there are busts every year with players drafted in the lottery is because this is not an exact science. Just like why all-stars (and MVPs) are sometimes found in the second round.

    Here's a look at how some players projected to be drafted in the first-round map out graphing their Age vs PER -

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    The Thompson twins unfortunately don't have PERs attached to the stats for the OTE League, so they don't show up on this graph.

    It makes sense that most of the chart is filled with players from the upper left quadrant. GMs are looking for that young talent that has shown production and will break out at the next level. In the second round, GMs start to migrate to the upper right quadrant and lower left quadrant. Stay away from that lower right quadrant - the old players that haven't produced.

    And yes, I know that PER is not a be all end all metric. And yes, Henderson, Miller, and Wembanyama all played in different levels of leagues. It's still fun to consider. Every player has risks. Every player has potential. Trying to predict those variables is the fun part of the draft.
     
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    MJ was a national champion, multiple-time all-American, and player of the year… when college basketball was still actually at a high level since you couldn’t be one and done.

    That’s not marketing, hype, and potential.

    He was already really damn good.

    And his shooting numbers are far superior to Scoot’s.
     
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    When you hear things like "culture setter" and "relentless work ethic," it makes it that much easier for me to see this kid as the heir apparent to Dame in 3-4 yrs.

    Trading Ant and starting Shaedon can open up close to 25-30 mpg for Scoot our 6th man and third guard early on. Dame can play off ball for 10-15 mins too.

    Unless we are getting a definitive all star or borderline all NBA player in return for our pick, I can totally get behind the idea of keeping Dame and drafting his eventual backup.

    3 yrs from now, we can start phasing down Dame's minutes and let Scoot take over. Reading more and more about this kid, he seems like a can't miss prospect. He just has "it" and for all the public griping about Dame's reluctance to get younger, he is a terrific mentor to the youngins.

    Re-sign Grant, trade Ant for Derozan or OG, find a C that fits Chauncey's system, and open up a runway for Shaedon to play 30+ mpg and Scoot to play 25 off the bench. I think if all goes right, that team can win 45-50 wins and maybe a playoff round or two.

    This would be the way to thread the needle in keeping Dame and building for a serious title run a year or two down the road when Shaedon and Scoot can become all stars.

    Think of David Robinson and. Tim Duncan in 98 if you need some precedence for this kinda thought process.
     
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    I’m gonna lose my fucking mind if we draft another short guard

    WINGS WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS NOT SHORT GUARDS
     
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    Nice take, I also wouldn't be opposed to having a wing that can flat out shoot and defend and that has length which is something we've lacked for years. It doesn't need to be a guard necessarily as Dames heir apparent, imo.
     
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    This times 1,000,000
     
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    My idea is based on the premise that Scoot is a bonafide all star caliber talent who can reach that level in 2-3 yrs right as Shaedon is also entering a similar window.
     
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    I don’t care if we waste 10 million draft picks, but until we have an all-star caliber wing NO DRAFTING SHORT GUARDS

    i don’t get why this is so difficult

    3 finals MVPs in 30 years have been PGs.

    27/30 have been NOT SHORT GUARDS

    seems like a really fucking clear blueprint
     
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    Draft Amen then and follow that same plan…

    They both can’t shoot
    One is a good defender
    One has great size
    One has elite athleticism

    one = amen
     
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    One also is a yr older and played against 16 yr olds for two seasons in a league filled with nobodies, while playing a style that can be classified as a glorified AAU. Your opinion has been made loud and clear. Kindly keep your Amen takes in the Amen thread.
     
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    Yeah I'd be very excited for Scoot on this team with Sharpe. I think Sharpe is fine for a few minutes at SF, especially if Scoot is initially on the bench in an OKC Harden role. So Dame Scoot Sharpe can all get plenty of minutes.

    Also there is enough salary flexibility to get another high level starter. That's just not possible if the Blazers acquire Brown/Siakam/etc.
     
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    Ant and 23 for OG, Scoot at #3, Naz Reid MLE

    Dame Scoot
    Sharpe Thybulle
    OG Little
    Grant Watford
    Nurk NazReid

    Gets Dame some veteran help with OG but also have a lot of future upside with ScootSharpe. Way more future salary flexibility, depth, upside than trading for one of Brown/Bridges/Siakam.
     
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    can't lose whats already lost

    Superior talents/teams win championships, not wings. Jokic is about to win one despite you saying the 5 is the least important position & it certainly isn't about MPJ and KCP. Bam is a pretty important part of why the Heat made it from the East. The Celtics two great wings are gone fishing. It's a team game and wings are only part of the team.

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    It was a comparison between Amen and Scoot, so technically it could go in either thread.
     
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    Raptors got Siakam OG Barnes and have done nothing for years.
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    B.P.A.

    Not interested in another Telfair situation.
     
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    Dude..... Scoot at least has a decent form. Amen looks like Aminu.
     
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