Apple loves privacy!

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  1. magnifier661

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    It does here

    http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4865
     
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    The number is purposefully confusing as well as it shows how many government requests were fulfilled out of TOTAL users, not total requests. That would have been a more relevant statistic.
     
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    Because this is about iCloud, not about ios8. You are confusing 2 different things. 2-way verification will work on ios7 and ios6 devices as well, not limited to ios8. My old iPad 2 still runs ios6 - and the same security enhancements will be enjoyed on it as far as iCloud access is concerned.
     
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    https://gigaom.com/2014/09/18/apples-warrant-canary-disappears-suggesting-new-patriot-act-demands/

     
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    No the security features are advertised with the new iOS8.

    And again, this issue happened a couple weeks ago. So you are saying they are able to recode 3 iOS in 2 weeks on the fly? Then Apple is BRILLIANT PROGRAMMERS!
     
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    You act like beefing up security is a bad thing.

    ICloud wasn't breached. There are not millions of Apple account passwords posted anywhere.
     
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    Stop blaming me for something I did not do, I clearly said I am glad they are beefing up security, what I said is that the claims that Google is less secure than Apple are, so far, not proven by reality.
     
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    I haven't made any such claim.
     
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    http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4865

    Just to be clear:

    iCloud secures your data by encrypting it when it is sent over the Internet, storing it in an encrypted format when kept on server (review the table below for detail), and using secure tokens for authentication. This means that your data is protected from unauthorized access both while it is being transmitted to your devices and when it is stored in the cloud. iCloud uses a minimum of 128-bit AES encryption—the same level of security employed by major financial institutions—and never provides encryption keys to any third parties.
     
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    Wait, Google does share your data to their third party partners and apple doesn't. What is more secure? It maybe "safe" in terms of hacking, but hardly more secure. Sorry that makes zero sense at all.
     
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    2-way verification is a server feature, not a client feature. I do not care where they advertise it - the implementation is on the server, it had nothing to do with iOS 8.

    If I dig my old Lumia 900 with Windows Phone 7.5 - it will work with 2-step verification against Google services, surly you are not telling me that Microsoft implemented this in an antique OS 3 years before Apple did?

    Likewise, my iPad 2 with iOS 6 works with 2-step verification against gmail.

    This is a server feature. No changes were made in iOS 8 to work with 2-step verification, because as I showed you, it works in iOS 6 against services that implemented it.
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    And like I said to the second part, 2 weeks to program this? Sounds like they were already having this in the works before the incident
     
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    Actually, Google does not share your personal data with 3rd part partners, they share aggregate non-personal data (and you can be sure that Apple does as well, otherwise they will not be able to sign all the distribution deals they have with media companies).

    What Google does with your personal data is match appropriate ads to your taste that are displayed to you - I am not certain how this is a security breach. Another company that does it to a great effect is Amazon, and I personally love this feature - not having to go through generic ads and actually seeing stuff that might be useful to me is a feature. imho, and it is a feature I like. It is no different from Netflix recommendations based on your viewing habits or Pandora's suggestions for radio stations.
     
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    This is from the Google privacy page

     
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    2 weeks to program this on the server is more than enough time - especially since Apple does not really have a magical server architecture they use that no one else does, even their client OS (OS-X) is based on a Unix kernel - one suspects that they are running Unix based servers mostly - and these systems are mostly open-source with tons of existing code.

    I would not be surprised however if they had the code around for a long time, Apple geeks are geeks like everyone else has - and many of them are world class geeks - I do not believe they are idiots.

    They probably did not have their security concerns given a proper priority from management before this happens (You will be astounded how often this happens in large scale software products) - probably because of the corporate culture I alluded to before, Google has been dealing with massive scale online services a lot longer than Apple did - where most of Apple's management comes from a style/device/manufacturing background.

    Apple is still firstly a device company, and as such - they are going to have more issues with services than companies that came from the other side (See the initial absurd release of Apple Maps). Likewise, you clearly saw that Apple's iOS (the client side) was much more polished from the start compared to Google's earlier Android releases (Android versions 1, 2 and mostly 3 had poor UI and performance, only in version 4 they started to really shine).

    I am going back to my original post on this issue, until proven with time, Google had a lot more experience with security on massive scale services that Apple and it has shown so far - it might change in the future, it might become close enough (as Android UI shows, if you continue to work at it, it becomes good and can even overtake the original benchmark in some places).
     
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    What is something that requires external processing? To me this sounds like payments. Apple must do that as well - otherwise Apple Pay will not work - if you do not pass the personal information of the person making the payment, the processors will not process it.

    Any service that requires external processing by Google is likely to require the same by Apple.

    I assure you that Google (or Apple) do not need external processing to display ads...


    Here is Apple's privacy policies - doing just the same:

    http://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/
     
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    So you calling Tim Cook a liar? I mean what he said is highly public. If it weren't true, im sure you'd hear from it by Google quicker than flies on shit.

    "We don't 'monetize' the information you store on your iPhone or in iCloud. And we don't read your email or your messages to get information to market to you. Our software and services are designed to make our devices better. Plain and simple," the letter sa
     
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    Ford is the oldest assembly line car manufacturer. According to your logic, they should be the best car manufacturers in the world. Is that true?
     
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    Me? It is their web site that I quoted. Please point your fingers at Apple's web site for complaints.

    You want other Apple related admission that they read your data?

    http://www.apple.com/pr/library/201...er-More-Fun-Way-to-Use-iPhone-in-the-Car.html



    Well, maybe Mr. Cook should read what his company writes on it's own web site. He is either telling you things from both sides of his mouth or someone breached Apple's web site - leading us back to question their security credentials.

    You complained that Google hands some personal info to external processors and I showed you that Apple does exactly the same.
     
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