Eating Crow about Scoot

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  1. Predator

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    Glad he’s playing better than Sebastian Telfair
     
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    Your hatred for Ayton clouds your perception more than I realized. Finishing is the strength of Ayton's game. It's creating that he's not particularly good at.
     
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    ‘The Washington Wizards have agreed to trade forward Deni Avdija to the Portland Trail Blazers in exchange for guard Malcolm Brogdon, the No. 14 pick in the 2024 NBA Draft, a 2029 first-round pick and two future second-round picks.”

    That’s 4 picks.
     
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    It was about acquiring Avdija, not dumping Brogdon's expiring.
    Learn the transactions, then post.
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Kinda sad that Malcolm ended up being salary filler...... or maybe Washington figures he's worth a pick down the road.
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    @31 seconds, Scoot did finish with his left.
     
  7. Phatguysrule

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    I'd almost rather have those pics though... Hopefully I just haven't seen what he's capable of yet. Maybe it'll show when he settles in a bit more.
     
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    Yes! Love to see this! That means he's at least working on it. And that means it'll come around.
     
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    No need to eat crow. This means as much as him struggling a ton last season. UPS and DOWNS. I've said 5 times on here....only played 60 games and some change in his career and is only 20. He'll go on a stretch this year where he is a mess and he'll get murdered on here.......I'll hold my judgement for a couple seasons. Happy for this kid. Hard worker!
     
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    I prefer Avdija personally, but to each their own!
     
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    Sir, are you new here?

    Half the board will pound their chest after a big game telling all the haters to eat crow, then after a bad game the other half of the board will say he is garbage and will never get better.

    Round and round and round we go. It'll never stop.

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    Maybe I just haven't seen enough of him. I'm certainly not opposed to him. Maybe he just needs to develop a bit more... which would honestly be perfect. For 3 or 4 picks though, I would hope we'd be getting All Star caliber play out of the guy once we're ready to start winning.

    So maybe you're right...
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    I don't understand how someone can play basketball full time and not know how to finish with both hands. I don't get it.
     
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    Once Scoot develops a consistent outside shot, he's going to be a handful. Scoot and SS will make a dynamic backcourt. Can't wait to see SS back in action.
     
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    He was always so athletic that he didn't need to. I see it all the time.

    And it's probably not that he can't do it, rather that he's never had to do it in live action. So he's just not comfortable when he actually has to do it. So overplaying the right puts him in an uncomfortable position and then he shoots a lower percentage either trying to force it with the right or because he's not used to going left.

    The hope is that with quality NBA coaching he will be finishing left-handed, live, in practice and in training so that it'll just happen in a game and he doesn't have to think about it.

    That's part of the problem with playing down. And why I always want my daughters playing at the highest level possible. You just get so many bad habits playing against people you can easily dominate.

    I think Scoot would have been far better off going to college.
     
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    That's going to be difficult. But if he's in the running, it means he's made the next leap.

    Good job on calling the win against the Clippers. Was a very entertaining game!
     
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    generically, two first's + two 2nd's + Brogdon is a fairly steep initial price

    then, you have to start adjusting that price by circumstances. The first adjustment is that Brogdon needed surgery on his thumb in early October. That needs to be factored especially considering Brogdon's substantial injury history and missed game record. With yet another injury setback, his trade value would be lower this season than it was in June

    next adjustment is Brogdon't salary + Carrington's (as the 14th pick Portland traded). That's 26.9M vs Avdija's 15.6M. So, the Blazers have reduced this year's cap by 10.3M, and with the Vulcan's always peering over Cronin's shoulder, that's a definite factor. Without that cap adjustment, the Blazers would be 6M over the tax line and priority one according to the Seattle mothership would be getting under

    another factor that may come into play, (but probably not because of the Vulcans), is that the Blazers have a 7M TPE (actually a bit less than 7M, IIRC) from the Brogdon trade. I'm guessing that TPE will simply expire like the Hart-Payton-Lillard TPE's did because of questionable cap management

    but those are all secondary to what Avdija becomes as a player. He'll turn 24 in a couple of months so he's unlikely to have the generic upside of a 20 year old. But it's almost certain he'll play better than he has so far

    the one big unknown component of the price is where that 2029 1st lands. It could be a 20th pick; or it could be a 5th pick.
     
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    The odds though of us having two top 5 picks was..... low.
     
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    no doubt

    odds quite a bit higher for two lottery picks though
     
  20. Natebishop3

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    Joe was rolling the dice for sure.

    He's hoping that two of the three picks are mediocre.
     

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